ExpandKong
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Can't say they died of covid if you just shoot them in the street like dogs
China really fucked us all on this one
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Is Italy's lockdown a failure?
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Can't say they died of covid if you just shoot them in the street like dogs
China really fucked us all on this one
HellforLeather
Member
We shouldnt accept any of their numbers and they should be completely removed from the global total cases. They have been/currently are/always will be lying about their numbers.
Now they are asking the UN for tariffs and sanctions to be lifted because they are supplying the rest of the world with bogus tests and faulty supplies.
Camaway2
Member
Your comment is not only idiotic and racist, but factually wrong.
The Chinese that came back from China after the New Year were on average way more aware of the Covid risk and quarantined themselves on arrival at a time when Italians had basically little idea of what was going on.
Proof is that Prato province, the hub of chinese immigration in Italy, where tens of thousand of chinese workers live has one of the lowest rates of infection in the country.
If you are nothing to add that is based on factual evidence, I suggest you find yourself a thread/forum, more in tune with your rants.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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V4skunk
Banned
China virus is from China and brought to Europe by the Chinese. 50k alone travelled back from Wuhan.
Also try harder with the racist shit you nonce.
nemiroff
Gold Member
And by the way, it's probably even worse with the oddly low numbers from Russia. Sources are saying that they're deliberately documenting Covid-19 deaths as just pneumonia. "Can't let Putin look weak, so we're just gonna hide the truth"..
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Camaway2
Member
It absolutely originated from China and the Chinese goverment is the real responsible for this clusterfuck. I have zero sympathy for their despicable action and hope the world will held them responsible. To say it's it's the chinese locals that have exported it to Italy is just incorrect and it ignores the fact that millions of people, tourists and businessmen travel every year to China, We know who patient zero was in Italy, we know where it started and how it spread. To say it's just the yellow people says a lot about your level of understanding about the world. Also nonce you can use it to label your profile description.
cryptoadam
Banned
Bump.
So its been a month.
Deaths/ICU's have gone down, but Italy is just topped 4K cases again. Increase over the last 3 days. April 7th they had 3K cases, today over 4200 cases.
They flattened the curve, but they are far away from the having few to none cases. They peaked on March 24th in cases, and then had second high on the 26th. They have not gotten back to 6200 cases since the 26th, but have not fallen below 3K either. Their case volume dropped but not a dramatic one and it doesn't seem to be letting up. If the lockdown started on the 9th, its 4 weeks, people testing positive now were most likely infected DURING the lockdown.
It is having an effect, but were people expecting the effect to be half the cases but still hundreds of dead and thousands of cases? I was thinking it would be more like China/SK where cases would fall dramatically, and deaths about a week after.
So its been a month.
Deaths/ICU's have gone down, but Italy is just topped 4K cases again. Increase over the last 3 days. April 7th they had 3K cases, today over 4200 cases.
They flattened the curve, but they are far away from the having few to none cases. They peaked on March 24th in cases, and then had second high on the 26th. They have not gotten back to 6200 cases since the 26th, but have not fallen below 3K either. Their case volume dropped but not a dramatic one and it doesn't seem to be letting up. If the lockdown started on the 9th, its 4 weeks, people testing positive now were most likely infected DURING the lockdown.
It is having an effect, but were people expecting the effect to be half the cases but still hundreds of dead and thousands of cases? I was thinking it would be more like China/SK where cases would fall dramatically, and deaths about a week after.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Why would you think that? First of all SK just has a massively better health system. And China has massively harsher restrictions. What can also be seen in Italy is that some regions are now following other regions, just a few weeks delayed.
If Chinese numbers are anything to go by it was always clear that the number of cases would be much higher at the end of the lockdown. China started the lockdown at 830 cases and 21 deaths. Italy started at 10.000 cases and 630 deaths. With weaker measures. Why would they be comparable to China? As long as people are able to go outside there will be new cases. It's not even like Italy is behaving accordingly, 82.000 people got a fine for breaking the rules in the first two weeks of March alone. And the even stricter measures did not come until last week, when they shut down the majority of their economy. That's what I don't get: Eventually they all end up at China's measures, so why not start with them and keep the impact as small as possible? And they probably will all make the same mistake and lower restrictions too early and end up with a second wave that dwarfs the first one.
If Chinese numbers are anything to go by it was always clear that the number of cases would be much higher at the end of the lockdown. China started the lockdown at 830 cases and 21 deaths. Italy started at 10.000 cases and 630 deaths. With weaker measures. Why would they be comparable to China? As long as people are able to go outside there will be new cases. It's not even like Italy is behaving accordingly, 82.000 people got a fine for breaking the rules in the first two weeks of March alone. And the even stricter measures did not come until last week, when they shut down the majority of their economy. That's what I don't get: Eventually they all end up at China's measures, so why not start with them and keep the impact as small as possible? And they probably will all make the same mistake and lower restrictions too early and end up with a second wave that dwarfs the first one.
PrellboGark
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Camaway2
Member
Trusting the numbers provided by the Chinese government is like believing that all is fine in Xinjang. You cannot believe a thing about what their government is saying, everything is manufactured to fit a propaganda objective.
There are many reports of Wuhan's crematories working 24/7 for weeks on end. See for example this article from Time Magazine. CNN and other reports put the real dead toll at over 50000 (article) in Wuhan alone.
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