It was good and people have a propensity to call the latest thing they enjoyed as BEST EVER. I felt like it had some pacing and world building issues, but its taken some nice cues from Miyazaki films.
The Disney library is too big and robust to call any new movie the best after 4 days lol.
The funny thing is there was absolutely cynicism/skepticism about the 90s films back when they came out. My theatre professor told me once that a friend of his saw B&TB and told him "You need to see the new Disney movie, instant classic" and his response was just "yeah right." He was a believer after he went to see it though.As I've stated earlier, the greatest films don't need a lot of time before they're considered great. Films like Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King were considered all-time greats pretty much immediately after release. Moana is no different in my eyes.
Man I'm still waiting for the Disney film that matches a great Miyazaki movie in depth and maturity.
Yeah, 100% agree with what he wrote. I do love Genie though.JC spitting facts. Fighting the good fight in here.
I haven't seen Moana yet and I'm sure I'll enjoy it somewhat but what you said about clements and musker (sp?) rings so damn true. Actually it feels like the case with most Disney movies now in general.
It's definitely in my top 5 for sure.
The worst is Aurora from Sleeping Beauty. I don't think she does a significant thing in the entire movie. The side characters are given more time than her.
Ariel almost gets her entire supporting cast killed. Flounder almost gets eaten by a shark, Sebastian almost becomes dinner, Eric damn near gets his head taken off and nearly gets into a very bad carriage wreck, and Triton has to take a fate worst than death to save his dumb daughter. Ariel is literally the worst princess and a threat to everyone she interacts with.
Basically everything about Maui is an anachronism. He uses modern slang and turns of phrases and self-aware gags(see the OT title) and I feel that cheapens the movie. Clements & Musker's films always do this shit, like the very 90s Robin Williams Genie or Hercules being in a Air Jordan ad and dialing 9-1-1, and I find all that stuff anti-Disney. It encases them in ember, beholden to that particular point in history and pop culture, instead of feeling like a movie that could have always existed barring in mind the technology of the time like Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Dumbo, etc
Maybe when they stop aiming to make kids movies which I doubt will happen any time soon if ever. Even though Ghibli's stuff is animated and some of it is aimed at children, stuff like Princess Mononoke or even Grave of the Fireflies are not what I'd consider "kids movies".
Nothing comes close to Disney's non-princess 2D animated films.
My top 4:
1) Treasure Planet
2) El Dorado
3) Mulan
4) Atlantis
Walt Disney Animation Studios have been making films since 1937. Including several of the greatest American movies of all-time, that have held up oiver generations of audiences, such as Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia, Dumbo, Bambi, The Three Caballeros, Sleeping Beauty, and Beauty and the Beast
but yea that movie they released last weekend is the best one ever
not to be that guy but the movie is barely a week old. calling it one of the all time greats makes me go
when you described Moana to back up your claim you pretty much described all the other Disney movies we got in the past 7 years.
Tangled
Frozen
both movies with great animation, singing, and lovable sidekicks.
Beauty and the Beast wasn't any less brilliant a week after it came out than it is today. True classics don't take a lot of time to be recognized. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King were all recognized very quickly in the 90's as the masterpieces they were.
This notion spreads across genres. Everyone knew Schindler's List was one for the ages the first time they saw it. Everyone knew Inside Out was some of the best work Pixar has ever done right after the final frame ended. Everyone knew Saving Private Ryan would go down as one of the best depictions of war ever put on film.
We don't always need to wait 20 years before we can declare something as "great".
Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
Big Hero 6 winning against Kaguya is still one of the worst decisions the academy ever made. Of course though, the academy voters would have pull their heads of out Disney's ass to notice other animation studios, or even like animation.
How did Frozen fail at being anti-trope?I'm comparing it to Tangled and Frozen. Nothing else.
On that basis alone, it's the best of the bunch.
Moana>Tangled>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frozen
Moana really captured what a strong Disney princess should be. It was also great not to have a single hint of a love interest at all in the movie, something Frozen ended up having despite trying to be kinda anti-trope, but failing.
How did Frozen fail at being anti-trope?
The message that I extracted from the movie is that you don't need a significant other to be happy, but one of the characters ended up being with a guy that she was on the adventure with anyway? I don't know. It seemed counterproductive to the message they wanted to convey.How did Frozen fail at being anti-trope?
I did. How does including a love interest deter from the point of the movie?Read the whole sentence.
It's just you.
You are the best animated film Disney has ever made.
OP, may I ask, which Disney movies did you see?
You have to absolutely murder in animation to take attention from Disney.
I don't think any of that second Disney era holds up. Lion King is a good movie but looks terrible these days, very dated look. Same with Beauty & the Beast and the rest.
The original stuff (Sleeping Beauty, Pinnochio, Snow White, Robin Hood, etc) is timeless.
That's the sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me.
I've seen just about every Disney movie ever made.
That's not at all the point. The movie presents a notion that "love" in Disney terms isn't solely defined as romantic, and the classic Disney trope of "love at first sight" is incredibly lame. A character starting a relationship based on a mutual partnership throughout the movie doesn't distract from that.The message that I extracted from the movie is that you don't need a significant other to be happy, but one of the characters ended up being with a guy that she was on the adventure with anyway? I don't know. It seemed counterproductive to the message they wanted to convey.
That's not at all the point. The movie presents a notion that "love" in Disney terms isn't solely defined as romantic, and the classic Disney trope of "love at first sight" is incredibly lame. A character starting a relationship based on a mutual partnership throughout the movie doesn't distract from that.
It's just you. Disney has been making animated films for nearly 100 years. Get a grip.
Well Tangled then conveys they same message, but not as blatantly. Flynn and Repunzel didn't have that love at first sight moment.
Whatever the message was, I found the movie a severe disappointment and highly overrated.
Topic closed.
I mean, I didn't read the full Thread but if OP didn't mention THE LION KING, TARZAN,HERCULES, MULAN and soooo many other true masterpieces..then it's just you!
Is this serious?I don't think any of that second Disney era holds up. Lion King is a good movie but looks terrible these days, very dated look. Same with Beauty & the Beast and the rest.
The original stuff (Sleeping Beauty, Pinnochio, Snow White, Robin Hood, etc) is timeless.
Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
That's an odd way to spell The Lion King.
Clements & Musker are actually channeling classic cartoons in these segments. You can find tons of similar gags in classic Bugs Bunny and Tom & Jerry cartoons of the forties and fifties. Quite a number of those cartoons have become dated because modern audiences don't understand references to now forgotten movie stars, singers and sports heroes and are rarely shown, but at the time the jokes were understood and appreciated by contemporary audiences and that's what counted.
But Frozen sucks.
Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
What a great year. Can't wait to see who the academy awards pick. Zootopia, Moana, Kubo, or Dory.
I don't think any of that second Disney era holds up. Lion King is a good movie but looks terrible these days, very dated look. Same with Beauty & the Beast and the rest.
The original stuff (Sleeping Beauty, Pinnochio, Snow White, Robin Hood, etc) is timeless.
Did you ever watch Robin Hood? Its boring. And badly animated.
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I still don't believe that this is serious.It's great and looks great.
Charming and timeless:
Dated 90s airbrushy crap:
Walt Disney Animation Studios have been making films since 1937. Including several of the greatest American movies of all-time, that have held up oiver generations of audiences, such as Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia, Dumbo, Bambi, The Three Caballeros, Sleeping Beauty, and Beauty and the Beast
but yea that movie they released last weekend is the best one ever
I wouldn't call Tarzan a masterpiece, especially with that soundtrack.
Frozen also goes out of its way to make fun of the trope. The whole "Love is an Open Door" is played incredibly ironically.
It's great and looks great.
Charming and timeless:
Dated 90s airbrushy crap:
They made Beauty and the Beast, so no.