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Is Nintendo capable of making an iconic FPS?
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Kai Dracon
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"Iconic FPS" as modern console gamers would see it, probably means a game confined to a very narrow definition: gritty military FPS with heavy competitive multiplayer element.
I think the problem isn't that Nintendo couldn't do it if they really wanted to, and heavily researched how to go about it. Rather, it's that such a game has an intrinsically limited appeal. Profitable within that narrow niche, don't mistake that.
But the problem this entire generation is that everyone has chased King COD without seeming to realize that by all appearances, the core gaming FPS genre is actually really limited to one game: whichever has the biggest competitive community and is the genre king.
The closest thing to King COD is Halo, and maybe (MAYBE) Nintendo might see it as useful to go for making a game like that. But I kind of doubt it.
Perfect Dark probably was Nintendo's best shot at having their own general purpose iconic first-person shooter that could have a major multiplayer angle. But the age of online multiplayer shooters was still a generation away when Nintendo dropped Rare.
I think the problem isn't that Nintendo couldn't do it if they really wanted to, and heavily researched how to go about it. Rather, it's that such a game has an intrinsically limited appeal. Profitable within that narrow niche, don't mistake that.
But the problem this entire generation is that everyone has chased King COD without seeming to realize that by all appearances, the core gaming FPS genre is actually really limited to one game: whichever has the biggest competitive community and is the genre king.
The closest thing to King COD is Halo, and maybe (MAYBE) Nintendo might see it as useful to go for making a game like that. But I kind of doubt it.
Perfect Dark probably was Nintendo's best shot at having their own general purpose iconic first-person shooter that could have a major multiplayer angle. But the age of online multiplayer shooters was still a generation away when Nintendo dropped Rare.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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There is not much shooting in the game.
Mysterious Stranger
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Nintendo could make it better
Nintendo doesn't need to make a game on every genre that ever existed, you know? I'd rather they do what they do best, and get the other types of games from companies with more experience on that kind of stuff.
I won't complain if they do it, though, it's just that I don't see the point.
I won't complain if they do it, though, it's just that I don't see the point.
Red Blaster
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Disruptor, Exhumed and Alien Trilogy came out in 1996
drkOne
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Pretty much.
People will argue this because Metroid Prime didn't have enough dudebros!
And I'm sure their "getting back the core gamers" strategy might not involve "creating an iconic FPS".
But Goldeneye was the first FPS that truly defined how they should play. Much like Halo later on.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Yeah sure, why not? Make a fps heavy on the local multilayer, let us bring 4 players online, customizable characters, adapt a lot of those nintendoland games into modes and add crazy customizable bots.
Just look to Rare, Bungie and Free radical fps and mix it with smash or mario kart.
Just look to Rare, Bungie and Free radical fps and mix it with smash or mario kart.
Dont forget PO'ed. Dont know if it was better though. When did Turok 1 release?
By any stretch? Huh.
Well, it's first-person, and you shoot stuff. The focus might be less on shooting, but there are certainly stretches that can be found where Metroid Prime would qualify as an FPS.
Littlegator
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No, the argument is that it's iconic, but not an FPS.
I mean come on, it's an first-person puzzle platformer with enemy lock-on.
You just blew my mind. That actually is Nintendo design logic.
Sapphire Dreams
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Guys, Metroid Prime is an action game om first person where you shoot stuff, how is that not an FPS ?
Only if Retro made it. Man they are even based in Texas, basically where the FPS genre has been created.
And no Metroid Prime is not a FPS.
That's only iconic in the way that lots of people bought this POS.
And no Metroid Prime is not a FPS.
That's only iconic in the way that lots of people bought this POS.
Metroid Prime is tricky. It uses first person shooting like Zelda uses "RPG elements."
"I actually do kind of want to make a first-person shooter, but I don't have time." - Shigeru Miyamoto
Do you consider Fallout 3 a FPS game?
Jaded Alyx
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Pretty much. Metroid Prime 3 was the only one where you actually could aim, but even then the lock-on was pretty generous. Generally speaking the game's combat was just mashing A and focusing on dodging, the gameplay leaned much closer to adventure/platformer than FPS.
It loosely fits the definition of an FPS, but that was never the dominant genre the same way Super Metroid was never a run and gun.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jak 2 was a third person game where you shot stuff and no one considers it a TPS.
Bobs Big Boy
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It would have to be charactery. TimeSplitters is the closest thing to what I imagine one looking like from them. All the charm and character learned from Ninty put into an FPS.
They're not going to but any studio's capable of Call of Duty.
They're not going to but any studio's capable of Call of Duty.
John Dunbar
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do killzone and resistance get anywhere close to those numbers?
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thehypocrite
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Nintendo has extremely talented developers, they can do a FPS. For indication see Metroid Prime.
So what do you do, sneak by enemies?
Santerestil
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ReyVGM
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If Nintendo themselves make a FPS game, it will be radically different from what people expect.
When Nintendo tried the fighting game genre, they came up with Smash Bros.
When they tried the real-time strategy genre, they came up with Pikmin.
When they tried the racing genre, they came up with Mario Kart/F-Zero.
When Nintendo tried the fighting game genre, they came up with Smash Bros.
When they tried the real-time strategy genre, they came up with Pikmin.
When they tried the racing genre, they came up with Mario Kart/F-Zero.
I like Goldeneye, but I always felt it was fundamentally limited by the platform it was on.
The aiming system that was used for instance put in squarely at the special kids table of FPSs.
Console shooters never truly broke this limitation until Halo and the games that came after it.
To answer the question in the OP: I think Nintendo has a lot of talented designers, but they have next to no experience making such games. Meanwhile several western developers have been doing FPSs for 20 years in an extremely competitive environment.
The only way anyone could think that Nintendo could immediately pump out a AAA shooter is if they are so deluded as to hold FPSs fundamentally inferior to other games.
The aiming system that was used for instance put in squarely at the special kids table of FPSs.
Console shooters never truly broke this limitation until Halo and the games that came after it.
To answer the question in the OP: I think Nintendo has a lot of talented designers, but they have next to no experience making such games. Meanwhile several western developers have been doing FPSs for 20 years in an extremely competitive environment.
The only way anyone could think that Nintendo could immediately pump out a AAA shooter is if they are so deluded as to hold FPSs fundamentally inferior to other games.
JordanLMiller
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Are they capable of it? Yes.
Will they? No, which is a good thing because it would be a waste of time.
Will they? No, which is a good thing because it would be a waste of time.
Sapphire Dreams
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It's a first person RPG yes. what differentiate it however is WHY you play it, you play Fallout to Role-Play and you Play Metroid Prime to shoot stuff, explore and kill bosses.
Isn't it pretty big in Europe?
And yet many people on this forum think Smash Bros. is a party game or something.