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Is the Hulk the cheapest comic book superhero ever?
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Chamber said:
Abilities: The sum total of all the energies contained by the Guardians of the Universe and the Central Power Battery which granted the possessor nigh-omnipotent control over time, space and reality.
The glory days of Kyle Rayner. Fuck you, Geoff Johns.
Fight the good fight Chamber... Johns is a hack
Dreamgazer
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Kusagari said:
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God. Which Tenchi spoken to at the end of OVA3 and whose existence is hinted in Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari's lightnovel. This at most put Tenchi at the equivalent level of Marvelverse's Beyonder (lower level compared to molecule man who was mentioned in this thread.)
2. Yes, read it. Although I'm not sure english scanlations/viz ever finished the seires.
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I am definitely subscribing to Marvel Online, I definitely want to catch up on some of the must reads.
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Freshmaker said:
...did you even read my post? marvel says lots of things. do any of those strike you as peak human? he's clearly meta-human, though not by a whole lot.
and as for being a tactician, i'm gonna go with "has fought in wars, and has been beating things with his fists for decades now". i think that counts.
Chamber said:
i tend to agree with you here, because if you go by marvel's standards, benching 800 lbs/lifting a car is something like every x-men but Gambit can do, and they're not considered monstrously strong. still, it puts him well above bats is my point. it's not a fair match.
i'd like to think that's true. if you've never been privy to these "batman could beat god if he had time to plan" discussions you're fortunate.
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Dali said:
Altering reality pretty much means you have every power.
Save for the power to beat Squirrel Girl.
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Beta Ray Bill.Dreams-Visions said:
The problem with Batman is that a lot of writers don't stick to what his supposed limits are. That's why you have things like this where Bruce is benching 1000+lbs.
So there are times where Batman is every bit the superhuman that Captain America is even though he isn't supposed to be.
So there are times where Batman is every bit the superhuman that Captain America is even though he isn't supposed to be.
That's not just Batman though. The same people argue Reed Richards has a ray gun for every scenario. Don't even get me started on Doom with prep.IrishNinja said:
IrishNinja
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^true, that's true for a lotta superheroes as well though. i know cap was supposed to be "peak" but somewhere around ultimates (when the 616 starting aping most of the good ideas) i noticed he got a great deal stronger. wolverine does the same thing, only it's more annoying because some writers treat his healing factor like he needs to relax to heal from gun shots, and others like he's deadpool (that panel on the other page with him being roasted was awful).
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Chamber said:
Who's spotting him?
Most of these characters are cheap as hell.
I like superhero stories that are at least partially based in the real world. Probably why I favor Batman, Spiderman and the cartoon version of X-Men. No stupid shit like Wolverine regenerating from a single cell or Iceman being able to control all water anywhere and everywhere.
I like superhero stories that are at least partially based in the real world. Probably why I favor Batman, Spiderman and the cartoon version of X-Men. No stupid shit like Wolverine regenerating from a single cell or Iceman being able to control all water anywhere and everywhere.
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And? I could point out plenty of times where Batman pulls off similar BS. Still considered "peak human".IrishNinja said:
20 years max. Marvel acts like he's been planning wars since Sparta or something. Nick Fury I can understand. Not Cap.
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just read up on him. interesting.Satchwar said:
I'm the opposite. The stuff people in this thread are making fun of is all part of the charm to me and part of what makes superhero comics fun. I'd rather read about the Green Lantern Corps. fighting off some insane intergalactic threat than see Bruce brooding in his cave about the Joker.Puddles said:
Different strokes, I guess.
IrishNinja
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Freshmaker said:
you're crazy...but chamber has a point about the weirdness of these metrics.
let's just agree that cap would handle bats and be friends
aw man, the only thing worse for this discussion than the ratings on the back of marvel universe series 2 cards would be timeline stuff. how long do you figure it's been since cap get out of the ice? this is an even bigger problem for bats, cause i imagine they want him in his mid to late 30s or so, but Nightwing kinda ages him.
i love Fury (hope you're reading Secret Warriors, it's fantastic), but i don't think he does hand-to-hand on the daily like cap. where nick can plan for battles and events, im saying cap as a tactician in the sense of using the terrain to his advantage, picking up on his enemy's weakness, etc. fury strikes me as being better with stuff like logistics.
anyway, i tend to dig street level vigilantes more than the overpowered ones too. wolverine somehow besting the hulk isn't usually as interesting a story for me as say magneto and a bunch of hand ninjas beating him up with with a sack full of doorknobs.
Freshmaker
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I see that matchup as a coin toss honestly. Cap and Bats have similar HTH skills and abilities. Batman has more gadgets and more experience fighting in urban settings. It'd come down to setting and context and the winner would only be the best for that particular encounter.IrishNinja said:
Cap handling Spiderman is where I draw the line. No damn way. No way in hell.
Bucky Barnes does the same thing for Cap.
Are you confusing Magento with Night Owl?
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Puddles said:
what about
Freshmaker said:
ive seen spidey hold up a freaking building. he gets kinda underrated in the fact that he could knock the shit out of most of the other avengers, mostly cause he wouldn't. but yeah, that combo of speed + strength is well above both of these guys.
i guess it does, but cap was on ice for (x) years or something. while we're talking age, i never got that age-retarding thing Fury took years back, shit was mighty convenient.
am I? id assumed i'd made up that fight, but id love to know it was something i'd read and
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Puddles said:
Everything can be made sense with "insurance/damage coverage policies"
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Someone said Spidey could smack down most of the Avengers. I agree.
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It is one of the many reasons I read comics, I love the reality comics but I also love to see all powerful shit go down and get crazy, if you try and make sense of it you take the fun out of i timo.Chamber said:
Freshmaker
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Speed, strength and his danger sense that makes him nearly impossible to hit. Yet he fought Cap to a stalemate in Civil War. Ugh.IrishNinja said:
I just think it's funny that armless Bucky was found by Russians who immediately thought, "Look a half dead American teenager with one arm. Let's make him our super soldier."
Now he's the same age as Cap and wearing Cap's costume...
Only if you replace The Hand with random thugs and use the retired Night Owl in Magneto's stead.
The Hand with an elegant weapon like a sack of doorknobs and Magneto on the business end sounds like the midpoint in a Deadpool book.
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I wasn't much of a comic book reader, but I did watch the DCAU extensively. I hated J'onn J'onzz in Justice League. They pretty much had to make him easily distracted, forget to use an ability, or just not want to go out on missions to explain why he just didn't win all the time. It wasn't later until I found out that they didn't bring over his fear of fire, which might have actually kept his powers in check a little better.
I was very satisfied to hear Batman's line in New Frontier: " Make no mistake, I have a $70,000 sliver of a radioactive meteor to stop the one from Metropolis. All I need for you is a penny for a book of matches."
But yeah, none of this comes close to touching Sentry or Hulk or anything. Just within the DCAU, he bothered me.
I was very satisfied to hear Batman's line in New Frontier: " Make no mistake, I have a $70,000 sliver of a radioactive meteor to stop the one from Metropolis. All I need for you is a penny for a book of matches."
But yeah, none of this comes close to touching Sentry or Hulk or anything. Just within the DCAU, he bothered me.
It's fucking retarded that a character would have godlike powers through natural evolution. Like Kryptonians are completely normal on their own planet, but under a yellow sun they're basically gods (though Batman can defeat any of them with prep time). How the fuck would that set of traits ever arise through natural selection? Same with Martian Manhunter.
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DaMan121 said:
Birther brains
Goddamn, I love the Sentry. I hope he makes a return soon. Preferably in his original 'more inspirational than Cap, as smart as Reed Richards, more powerful than everything but himself' form; although I'd settle for the anxious, childlike Sentry the writers later made him. The one thing I couldn't stand was the moment in Dark Reign where Lindy claims he was never great, couldn't handle the power; and has always secretly been addicted to the serum. Fuck right off. Knock him down to a gibbering wreck of a man if you like, but don't rewrite everything that made him awesome beyond his abilities. I choose to believe Lindy's memories were all Void-created dickery, since Sentry and the Void can warp reality as they see fit.
I did like the idea that Robert Reynolds' original, true personality was that of the Void. That he was a junkie who stole the serum to get high, and then split off everything good about himself into a new entity while living on as the Void; rather than splitting off all his evil into a new persona.
As for his defeat at the hands of Thor, it was only possible because Bob wanted to die and made it possible for Thor to kill him/the Void. Bullshit, but there's a shred of sense somewhere in there. Regardless, Reynolds can return whenever he wants with absolutely no difficulty (not that the same isn't true for any deceased character...) so I hope he's not absent too long. I know he was a retarded realization of infinite perfection, but I loved him for it, and I appreciated Marvel for saying "fuck this. let's just do it." Evolving him to the point where mental illness was his only weakness is an awesome concept, and one which could have been better explored with more time and opportunity.
I did like the idea that Robert Reynolds' original, true personality was that of the Void. That he was a junkie who stole the serum to get high, and then split off everything good about himself into a new entity while living on as the Void; rather than splitting off all his evil into a new persona.
As for his defeat at the hands of Thor, it was only possible because Bob wanted to die and made it possible for Thor to kill him/the Void. Bullshit, but there's a shred of sense somewhere in there. Regardless, Reynolds can return whenever he wants with absolutely no difficulty (not that the same isn't true for any deceased character...) so I hope he's not absent too long. I know he was a retarded realization of infinite perfection, but I loved him for it, and I appreciated Marvel for saying "fuck this. let's just do it." Evolving him to the point where mental illness was his only weakness is an awesome concept, and one which could have been better explored with more time and opportunity.
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Platy said:I have to bet on this boy....
Wins.
But more mainstream id have to say.
Superman.
Green Lantern....Hal Jordan specifically.
And before they killed him The Sentry.
Totally unkillable, unlimited power of unknown origin...powers made up as we go along.
Only weakness.... apparently Helicarriers?
Hulk while in the upper echelon isnt too cheap.
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