-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Is video game addiction responsible for obesity?
- Thread starter Airbus Jr
- Start date
Daymos
Member
The miserable parts of my life are eating healthy food, working for 'good' pay, fullfilling family obligations, exercising, going to bed and getting up early, buying people christmas gifts.. etc..
If I did everything I was supposed to do to live a 'happy and healthy' life all the time I would certainly want to kill myself.
If I did everything I was supposed to do to live a 'happy and healthy' life all the time I would certainly want to kill myself.
Starlight Lotice
Member
it can do but that is more due to laziness.
Sunlight deficiency is more of a problem.
Sunlight deficiency is more of a problem.
Marinius
Neo Member
Perhaps in some circumstances you could argue that it is... If video games are stopping a person from doing something that they may otherwise have done which could be described as a 'healthier option'. I do feel that anything classified as an addiction could be discribed in the same way however.
Video Game addiction therefore could be said to be a contributor to obesity but definitely not 100% 'responsible' for it for all the good reasons other people have mentioned..
Video Game addiction therefore could be said to be a contributor to obesity but definitely not 100% 'responsible' for it for all the good reasons other people have mentioned..
gunslikewhoa
Member
No. A pound is estimated to be 3,500 calories. He's not going to get a 10,500-14,000 calories deficit, even fasting. He could drop pounds a day in water weight for a bit, but beyond that, he's never going to lose 3-4 pounds a day.
gunslikewhoa
Member
Starvation mode is a myth. Body fat is food. When you fast at this guy's size, only good things happen. The best thing for this guy would be prolonged fasting.
I check out fasting videos occasionally as I've fasted quite a bit over the years and I like hearing people's stories. This gentleman has been at it for a few months:
Last edited:
LucidDreamer
Member
No. He likes to eat
Kamina
Golden Boy
Is Football on TV responsible for Alcoholism?
Cut too many calories and the body will take measures to ensure survival despite the reserves. The body is not stupid. If you know you wont get much money anymore you will cut down your costs to not burn through your savings, and the body works the same way.
This mode can be prevented by not cutting below 2/3rd of your needed intake and having a re-feed day every week.
Yes, body fat is food, but fat isn’t a good energy source compared to carbohydrates or proteins.
Obviously, if you started to eat almost nothing anymore, you will start loosing weight, but you will also put your health at risk because the body fat tissues you consume lack important nutrients. And once you start eating normally again the body will just tart refilling its stocks again.
But i agree that this guy is in need of a low-caloric diet of some sort.
No of course not. It’s peoples decisions that cause bad things to happen. I hate this trend of blaming things for something bad as an excuse not to have to blame yourself for your own decisions and choices.
No it’s not. This is part of the reason why the Yo-Yo Effect exists.
Cut too many calories and the body will take measures to ensure survival despite the reserves. The body is not stupid. If you know you wont get much money anymore you will cut down your costs to not burn through your savings, and the body works the same way.
This mode can be prevented by not cutting below 2/3rd of your needed intake and having a re-feed day every week.
Yes, body fat is food, but fat isn’t a good energy source compared to carbohydrates or proteins.
Obviously, if you started to eat almost nothing anymore, you will start loosing weight, but you will also put your health at risk because the body fat tissues you consume lack important nutrients. And once you start eating normally again the body will just tart refilling its stocks again.
But i agree that this guy is in need of a low-caloric diet of some sort.
Last edited:
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Humans aren’t evolving as quickly as the food supply is. This is leading to behavior matched with high carb diets causing obesity.
Change the behavior, diet, or both to be successful.
Nature will weed out those who can’t adapt and we will move forward.
Change the behavior, diet, or both to be successful.
Nature will weed out those who can’t adapt and we will move forward.
Potato Chip PRO
Member
Nope.... The person being obese is responsible for their inability to exercise and bad eating habits.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Dude, how do you get to that point??!! Dont you glance at the mirror..like ever? It's sad when a @#$% video gm takes over your time, body and mind...nah, I ain't feel sorry for you.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Good advice
Just watches so many fat people documentary and it happens that lots of them have sedentary lifestyle which include playing videogames for too long
I used to be 74-76 kg and now im at 84 kg and for some reason this begin to scares me that if i dont do anything about it the numbers will only goes up...
Looking at these people continue playing videogame and eating excesively it really makes me scared...
I could be next if i dont change my habit..
Last edited:
LittleBusters
Banned
Video game addiction is a symptom of larger issues. There are plenty of 'fit' video game addicts in South Korea. The real question we have to ask ourselves - why nobody reads books anymore? I also do not mean young-adult fiction, but real literature and history.
gunslikewhoa
Member
You are correct. The body is not stupid. That is why it knows what to do when we stop putting food in our mouths. Not cutting below 2/3 of maintenance is the kind of nonsense advice that keeps people fat.
Starvation mode is 100% a myth. This man needs to fast. There is zero downside. Prolonged fasting done right is not putting your health at risk, period. Fasting plus a little supplementation is perfectly safe and his quickest path to weight loss and better health.
Last edited:
Kamina
Golden Boy
No, it is an ancient biological machine only out to keep surviving. It will not keep burning the same calories like usual when you stop feeding it.
Incorrect. Where do you get that from anyway?
Absolutely.
Incorrect. The right method is important. Stopping to eat is no solution and supplements will not be able to cover all.
Last edited:
MagnesG
Banned
I believe one part of it is because you can just google everything, easy and fast. Reading now can be seen as an investment hobby.
gunslikewhoa
Member
Correct again. It will begin burning body fat when there is no other energy source available.
No. You're absolutely incorrect. Please define "starvation mode" and list the supposed negatives. Where do you get the idea that prolonged fasting is bad from?
Stopping eating is the perfect solution and only requires minor supplementation.
Last edited:
LittleBusters
Banned
Googling didn't help to understand the 2008 financial crash. So I'm reading 'The Big Short'.
MagnesG
Banned
Sure if you want the full course, I understand that is kinda important for some people. For me I will always hate skimming through texts just to find the right info. Again, I will still refer through books if I'm desperate.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Of course, but not without cutting down on energy usage and therefore reducing the calories it needs,
I’ve already mentioned it above. The body is out to survive. If it notices you are not feeding it it will start reducing the energy supplied to lesser important organs (like muscles) and focus on supporting the ones necessary to keep on living with the stored resources.
If you then start eating again after long fasting periods the body will start refilling the stocks first because it is still in low energy mode and will only start turning up the available energy when its already too late.
Muscles loss is the number one negative, as they will be reduced long before any fat is burned.
Second is the yo-yo effect
Third is the lack of nutrients, as only (stored)fat alone is not healthy and supplements alone do not cut it when you are supposed to consume proteins and carbohydrates in far greater number than fat for a healthy balanced diet.
I disagree.
Kamina
Golden Boy
You are a rare breed. Most are either stuffing themselves or die because they don't go to the toilet anymore.
MagnesG
Banned
Actually that is the case for me. Remember to also stay dehydrated for long gaming sessions. Plus blink exercise, for dry eyes.
Edit: Good body posture also helps. Or maybe a full-on gym sessions?
Last edited:
gunslikewhoa
Member
This is incorrect. You don't cut down on energy usage. Yes, the metabolism often slows when people attempt to lower their caloric intake. When we cut calories to zero and enter a fasted state, though, the metabolism speeds up. We've seen +10% gains in as little as four days. During longer fasts adrenaline goes up, which can push the metabolism even a bit further.
Probably the number one "starvation mode" myth. There is no muscle wastage or shortage of energy in prolonged fasting as long as there is an energy source (body fat) available. Protein isn't used as an energy source during fasting, so the body doesn't break down muscle tissue to get at it. Doesn't happen.
I don't know what to say to this. I'm not sure what you're implying here. If it's the idea of finding the lifestyle change that fatty can stick with forever, so they don't become fat again, yeah. They need to solve that problem at some point no matter what path they choose. The failure rate for simply counting calories is astronomical, though. These people need to cure their addiction to / fix their relationship with food. Learning that they don't need it as much as they think they do is a pretty good first step.
But they do. For an extended fast, get your sodium, potassium, and magnesium and you're good. You can add things like ACV, baking soda, nutritional yeast, multivitamin, D3, etc. if you want, but you won't see any negative effects during a fast if you pass on them.
Last edited:
MisterBrimstone
Member
They can be addictions independently or results of other illnesses like anxiety.
One does not imply the other or even cause it. Of course the only relation I could argue is that sitting down all day gaming is impeding you from exercising and losing the fat. That's about it though.
One does not imply the other or even cause it. Of course the only relation I could argue is that sitting down all day gaming is impeding you from exercising and losing the fat. That's about it though.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It probably goes like this:
Asian gamer binge playing: rice, meat, tea, and any snacks eaten are generally healthier than US stuff
US gamer binge playing: XL pizza with triple pepperoni, 6-pack of coke or beer, 3 party size bags of Doritos
Last edited:
MrS
Banned
somerset
Member
They say those that refuse to learn from history are damned to repeat the same mistakes- and modern education is designed to ensure as few people as possible have any real knowledge of history.
So, in many nations, garbage collections are reduced to once every few weeks, or once a month, and diseases eradicated for many decades return for a large section of society. The 'obesity' scare falls under the same category.
Go read any work from people associated with social reform at the end of the 19th Century up til the beginning of WW1, and you'll see their no.1 concern was the lack of sufficient nutrition for the poor, especially children. And a child raised with insufficient nutrition had his/her life span massively reduced.
Today the same political forces that demand people live in their own garbage for weeks at a time are the ones screaming about the problem of obesity. The same forces that intend to outlaw the private ownership of cars as soon as possible, and outlaw the use of cash by ordinary people.
Thankfully in the West, at this moment in history, we are a nutrition rich civilisation. The same is finally happening in parts of the world, like China and Africa, recently associated with famine. And this is a fantastic thing- a glorious gift the Greater Humanity.
A tiny, tiny downside of this is some people, with little self control, get fat. A minor problem for adults, an almost non-existent problem for kids, regardless of what the propagandists claim. The Victorian Reformers would cry with joy if they had been able to witness pretty much the end of global hunger, and the blight on the poor that poor nutrition (which meant a lack of sufficient food) caused in their Age.
"Do video games make people fat?" is a great example of the rolling power of carefully constructed propaganda campaigns by forces that couldn't care less about the well-being of ordinary people. Some people over-eat. Some people over-drink. Some people over-do any given thing. So what? Of course there should be gentle societal messages for people to consider doing things in moderation. All things in moderation. But everyone here should be aware of just how insanely terrible it was when children had too little to eat, and how brilliant it is that these times have ended.
Look at the nature of powerful political organisations today pushing these "ordinary people don't deserve respect because of how they behave" messages, for these organisations are working to push elitist agendas where "people that know better than you" should be in charge of your lives.
Bashing gaming and gamers is a big thing today. Leaning hard on guilt mechanisms within ordinary people is also a big thing. Should you feel guilty about having the most innocent of fun by playing a computer game?
Again *if* obesity is a significant problem, and that's a very big 'if', it is a million times less significant than the problems caused by children having too little to eat- which for the vast majority of Human History has been the problem faced by far too many people. When obesity is a medical issue, it is 99.9% in adulthood, and I'd argue said adults, having the option to eat less and exercise more, are choosing their own fate rather than having a rotten fate imposed upon them.
And understand that it is only recently when, for strictly political reasons, 'obesity' has been redefined from a level of grotesque over-weight to basically the condition of any person that is not a 'bean-pole'. Which is why parents are constantly scared when bad faith actors come into their kids' schools, 'test' the kids and claim that perfectly normal kids are 'obese'.
When the mainstream media sez you should worry about this, or worry about that, you should really worry about the people behind the 'worry' messages.
So, in many nations, garbage collections are reduced to once every few weeks, or once a month, and diseases eradicated for many decades return for a large section of society. The 'obesity' scare falls under the same category.
Go read any work from people associated with social reform at the end of the 19th Century up til the beginning of WW1, and you'll see their no.1 concern was the lack of sufficient nutrition for the poor, especially children. And a child raised with insufficient nutrition had his/her life span massively reduced.
Today the same political forces that demand people live in their own garbage for weeks at a time are the ones screaming about the problem of obesity. The same forces that intend to outlaw the private ownership of cars as soon as possible, and outlaw the use of cash by ordinary people.
Thankfully in the West, at this moment in history, we are a nutrition rich civilisation. The same is finally happening in parts of the world, like China and Africa, recently associated with famine. And this is a fantastic thing- a glorious gift the Greater Humanity.
A tiny, tiny downside of this is some people, with little self control, get fat. A minor problem for adults, an almost non-existent problem for kids, regardless of what the propagandists claim. The Victorian Reformers would cry with joy if they had been able to witness pretty much the end of global hunger, and the blight on the poor that poor nutrition (which meant a lack of sufficient food) caused in their Age.
"Do video games make people fat?" is a great example of the rolling power of carefully constructed propaganda campaigns by forces that couldn't care less about the well-being of ordinary people. Some people over-eat. Some people over-drink. Some people over-do any given thing. So what? Of course there should be gentle societal messages for people to consider doing things in moderation. All things in moderation. But everyone here should be aware of just how insanely terrible it was when children had too little to eat, and how brilliant it is that these times have ended.
Look at the nature of powerful political organisations today pushing these "ordinary people don't deserve respect because of how they behave" messages, for these organisations are working to push elitist agendas where "people that know better than you" should be in charge of your lives.
Bashing gaming and gamers is a big thing today. Leaning hard on guilt mechanisms within ordinary people is also a big thing. Should you feel guilty about having the most innocent of fun by playing a computer game?
Again *if* obesity is a significant problem, and that's a very big 'if', it is a million times less significant than the problems caused by children having too little to eat- which for the vast majority of Human History has been the problem faced by far too many people. When obesity is a medical issue, it is 99.9% in adulthood, and I'd argue said adults, having the option to eat less and exercise more, are choosing their own fate rather than having a rotten fate imposed upon them.
And understand that it is only recently when, for strictly political reasons, 'obesity' has been redefined from a level of grotesque over-weight to basically the condition of any person that is not a 'bean-pole'. Which is why parents are constantly scared when bad faith actors come into their kids' schools, 'test' the kids and claim that perfectly normal kids are 'obese'.
When the mainstream media sez you should worry about this, or worry about that, you should really worry about the people behind the 'worry' messages.
Kamina
Golden Boy
All you are saying contradicts everything science says. Alone your claim that muscles do not reduce when you stop eating is a ridiculous claim.
But I can see that this discussion is going nowhere.
I just hope nobody follows your advice.
Cleared_Hot
Member
Yeah let's point the blame, when it is YOU putting that food in your mouth, chewing it , and swallowing it. But yeah go ahead, blame the entertainment system. Fucking pathetic excuse. You have zero self discipline. That's IT.
Last edited:
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It is people themselves who are responsible.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This thread has truly delivered, from the clickbait title to that one doctor/preacher telling us that we should quit videogames and masturbation. Soon enough we will learn about the cure against cancer.
gunslikewhoa
Member
You're just saying things. Do some research. I have.
Last edited:
Kamina
Golden Boy
Of course you have...
gunslikewhoa
Member
You clearly have not. Anyone who believes that prolonged fasting is unhealthy, especially for the morbidly obese, is simply uninformed.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Sure, whatever makes you happy.
gunslikewhoa
Member
You not knowing what you're talking about doesn't make me happy.
Kamina
Golden Boy
You are contracting all that science has proven already with your YouTube/whatever knowledge.
Lucky most people wont follow that nonsense anyway, and hopefully seek professional help if the are ready.
gunslikewhoa
Member
You continuing to say that I am contradicting "all that science has proven" doesn't make it so. If you have something of substance to say regarding the dangers of prolonged fasting, say it. I'd also love to know where (and how long ago) you got this ridiculous "don't go below 2/3" ( or *something* happens???) advice from.
I'll probably just go start a fasting thread in OT when I have time and you can continue to tell me how wrong I am there.
Last edited:
Kamina
Golden Boy
I already did, but you keep brushing of medical facts.
Nah, you start your OT.
Continue with whatever floats your boat. I am done discussing baseless nonsense with you.
gunslikewhoa
Member
Nintendo Switch
Banned
Bread/carbs is responsible for obesity.
I cut out carbs (keto diet) for a month and lost 20lbs in that month and am now at my goal weight.
Big bread/corn farmers lobbying the fda to shove bread down everyone’s throat with their hilariously inaccurate food pyramid is why the obesity epidemic exists.
I cut out carbs (keto diet) for a month and lost 20lbs in that month and am now at my goal weight.
Big bread/corn farmers lobbying the fda to shove bread down everyone’s throat with their hilariously inaccurate food pyramid is why the obesity epidemic exists.
Last edited:
Shotpun
Member
I'm going to take bread out of my diet and replace it with ice cream, if I gain weight we will have words.