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Is Yoshi's Island a "Mario" game?
- Thread starter Gravijah
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I think it's the same thing as with Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3. At the time of release, the title was considered to be under the umbrella of the main Mario series, an experimental pseudo-sequel, but after the new brand was established, subsequent titles become part of their own series. I'd say that Yoshi's Island is a 'Mario' game, in the same way that Mario vs Donkey Kong or Super Princess Peach are, but it's not part of what I consider the main series of platformers.
Segata Sanshiro
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The real question is at what point you pulled Doki Doki Panic into the chain of conversation.TruePrime said:
I had mentioned it because Odrion had mentioned in a post and then edited it as I was posting, and unless I am mistaken it seemed as though he was saying Doki Doki Panic was the prequel to Mario 2 Usa and said I don't know if we could call it a prequel considering it is really the same game.Segata Sanshiro said:
Segata Sanshiro
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Ah, I see. A stealth edit. No wonder it was confusing.TruePrime said:
Actually though, SMB2 is more than just a character sprite-swap with Doki Doki Panic. I would definitely not say it's a sequel, but they did change a lot and even added some bosses.
Nuclear Muffin
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TruePrime said:
No, Wario World has absolutely nothing to do with the Wario Land series at all. (or do we count the Wario Ware games as part of the WL series now?)
Nuclear Muffin said:
Why wouldn't we? It's not like we don't count Mario Galaxy because he is suddenly in space or Sunshine because he went to a island that didn't exist before hand.
As it stands Wario Land Shake It is so out there and crazy I don't see why we wouldn't count Wario World so long as it is a Wario Platformer.
Joseph Merrick
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not more bothered master of disguise isn't on there? hehe. game has been universally disowned. yeah you're not getting wario world either then.
wario ware is obviously its own series
wario ware is obviously its own series
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Wario World isn't a platformer though. It's a beat-em-up.TruePrime said:
GrotesqueBeauty
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It's both, actually. There is plenty of platforming in the game.Segata Sanshiro said:
Joseph Merrick
Member
most beatemups do light platforming
Segata Sanshiro said:
Okay, well in that case fair enough. I always considered it to be one but if not alright.
But even with that being the case how is it does that make it so it isn't a main Wario game when we are willing to call Yoshi's Island a main Mario game even though you don't control Mario for the most part?
I guess it has to be a pure platformer or it doesn't count?
Segata Sanshiro
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I have no idea. I don't really worry too much about this stuff, particularly when it comes to the shitty games no one should care about like Wario World and Yoshi's Story. You're the one that stipulated that it counted because it was a platformer.TruePrime said:
Segata Sanshiro said:
Shitty games don't discredit them though. Devil May Cry 2 still exists even if we like to act that it doesn't.
And I do think it has enough elements in to question if it is not an extension of the Wario Land games, I don't see what is wrong with that.
If it shouldn't be counted then don't but I don't see how it is wrong to at least ask why it wasn't included.
TruePrime said:
His last line was about the Wario Ware series, which have a *completely* different gameplay style to any of the platformers. Also, I think Wario World was rather closer to a brawler than a platformer, so the questions are pretty valid.
Is Portal a Half-Life game?
I think the problem here is that "Mario game" refers to two things; it can mean a game in the Mario universe, which YI definitely is (and Portal appears to be in the Half-Life universe), or it can mean a game that shares gameplay with the archetypal mario game; while to a layman Portal might look just like Half-Life (you have a gun in a first person view!), when you dig deeper you can tell that the game does play rather significantly differently.
In short - Yoshi's Island is Mario with the basics of gunplay (okay, eggplay) in it, which does change the gameplay significantly at fundamental levels.
In other words - and I can't believe I'm saying this with a straight face - Yoshi's Island is to the Mario series what Shadow the Hedgehog is to the Sonic series.
Segata Sanshiro
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Basically, I consider it a Wario game. I also consider the Wario Land series Wario games. I also consider Warioware Wario games. Then I make little subdivisions in my head, not unlike what I do for Yoshi (Yoshi's Touch n Go, Yoshi Topsy Turvey, Yoshi's Story, and the Yoshi's Island games) and Mario (3D Marios that suck mooseballs, 2D Marios, and Super Mario Galaxy games).TruePrime said:
mclem said:
That's all well and good, I had already left the Yoshi's Island debate behind when I said I believe that if Yoshi's Island should be counted then Wario Land 1 should be as well.
My question was should Wario World be considered a main line Wario game in the line of Wario Land.
As it stands if we seperate Wario Land and Wario Ware then where does Wario World stand? Besides being a piece of shit.
Segata Sanshiro
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Kinda stands on its own. Like Mario Kart.TruePrime said:
TruePrime said:
I'd also separate Wario Land 1 away from the subsequent ones, actually. Despite the name, there's very clear gameplay differences between Wario Land 1 (which clearly has its roots in the main Mario games) and the later titles (which were more platforming puzzlers).
Which does also answer the Wario World question - it's its own thing.
Yoshi
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I rated Wario World, Wario: Master of Disguise, the Wario Ware games and Yoshi: Touch & Go (as well as all the Yoshi puzzle games) as spin offs of the Wario / Yoshi lines, but I didn't want to break it down that much. For the 2D/3D differentiation: I do consider them parallel branches in the mainline of Mario games, but as I rate both parallel branches as part of the mainline series, I didn't depict this differentiation in here.
Joseph Merrick
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you suck, yoshi
Watch the video and then tell me that Yoshi's Island is a Mario game. Hell, Nintendo even ignore all SML games.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/mario25th/movie/index.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/mario25th/movie/index.html
ThatObviousUser
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Fuzzy said:
I need someone to YouTube this so I can GIF the end.
Anticitizen One
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Its called Super Mario World 2 and you play as Mario. Where is the confusion???
Segata Sanshiro
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You know, I expect the lack of reading from a lot of posters, but not from you, Ranger. Disappointment is my feeling.Ranger X said:
ThatObviousUser
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Anticitizen One said:
Not in Japan and 99% of the time you don't.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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It's still called "Super Mario: Yoshi's Island" in Japan.
A Link to the Past
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In a sales comparison, Nintendo put all of the main Mario titles on a little graph. SMW2 was there, so yeah
secretanchitman
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Mudkips said:
wow, surprised to see that i am not the only one with this view. i personally think its one of the worst mario games in the series. i know its respected for almost everyone (especially here on gaf), but i am one of the extremely tiny, almost nonexistant, small few who thinks the opposite.
ive played the hell out of most mario games, and for me, super mario bros 3 and super mario world are the absolute best mario games ever created, bar none. i have much respect for the other games, but for those two, they are the cream of the crop. as for mario world 2...well, i think its one of the worst.
also, just to make myself clear - when i say worst game in the series, it doesnt necessarily mean its a horrible game in general. its like how zelda 2: the adventure of link is one of the worst zelda games in the series (for me at least), but its not a bad game by any means. they just werent enjoyable for me.
Segata Sanshiro
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secretanchitman said:
You people like to play on words (also because it's NeoGAF).
Yoshi's Island SNES: a yoshi game and there's baby mario + "mario" written on the box.
Yoshi's Island 2/DS: a yoshi game and there's baby mario but "mario" not written on box.
So according to GAF's logic, it's the "mario" written on the box that decides. That's what I find funny. Unless you mean that the games in the "yoshi line" as the guy call it still are "Mario games".
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Yoshi's Island SNES: a yoshi game and there's baby mario + "mario" written on the box.
Yoshi's Island 2/DS: a yoshi game and there's baby mario but "mario" not written on box.
So according to GAF's logic, it's the "mario" written on the box that decides. That's what I find funny. Unless you mean that the games in the "yoshi line" as the guy call it still are "Mario games".
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ThatObviousUser
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Gravijah said:
I think there's a difference to be made between the mainline Mario games and "Mario" games in general, which are higher than spinoffs but not counted as Mario "canon."
Mainline: SMB 1, 2, 3, USA; SMW; SM64; SMS; NSMB, NSMBWii; SMG, SMG2
Secondary: SML1, 2; YI, YI: DS;
Spinoffs: Wario Land series, Paper Mario series, etc.
Segata Sanshiro
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An episode of Three's Company with just the Ropers in it = Three's CompanyRanger X said:
An episode of The Ropers with just the Ropers in it = The Ropers
There's justifiable reasoning here on both ends, which is probably why we can talk about it for a bunch of pages.
You sound like you're bitter at GAF for some reason. You're trying to frame the argument as the All-Intelligent All-Wise Ranger (who happens to post at GAF, a true prince among the slums) vs. STUPID NEO-GAF THAT MAKES EVERYTHING STUPID WITH ITS STUPID FACE. If you hate Stupid NeoGAF so much and you're so much better, the door's that way, man.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Man, you're taking this too seriously. I cannot dictate you wich impression you should have of me but I agree with what I bolded there.
My opinion is on the "it's a Yoshi game side" so I am playing along with the thread and defending (tongue in cheek) my opinion because I see that there's alot of passion in here. I only find this all funny. In reality it's a heated debate on something extremely futile and quite meaningless.