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I've got $15k in credit card debt, what should I do?

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Do you have a house w/ equity?

If so, you could consider taking out a home equity loan if the interest rate is better than what you can get with a personal loan.



However, there is some risk. If your current mortgage is adjustable and you take out a home equity loan ... no bank will want to touch you if you wish to refinance (until the loan is paid off).

So if this seems like a plan you'd like to consider (and you have an adjustable mortgage) ... refinance first if you think the rates are good ... THEN take out a loan.
 
BTW, i forgot to mention you may want to look into getting some kind of software if you don't have one to track finances. MS Money and Quicken are ok, I personally use moneycenter.yodlee.com, a free online finance program, most banks actually use their software, most notably bank of america uses it for there finance tracking feature. Anyway, getting one of these might be a good idea if you aren't already doing that.
 
Thanks to everyone that gave advice (big thanks to Cyan, that was a lot of good info). I've spent the past day reading up on this stuff and I think I've got a plan now. I'm going to try the "snowballing method" as it seems to make the most sense to me. I might also look into getting a loan from a bank, especially for the bigger card balances.

Also, I'm working on a budget now. I went through all my expenses for the past month and there are definitely areas where we can cut back. Any suggestions for some good, free budget software? I know Quicken or Microsoft Money are supposed to be good but, for obvious reasons, I would like something that isn't going to cost me anything! For now I just threw something together in Excel, but I think an actual program would make things easier.

Any other suggestions are welcome as well. I'm sure there are others on these here boards that are in my predicament and would find this info useful. Thanks again everyone!
 
I'm about $34,000 in debt, total. This includes two credit cards, the remainder of my car balance, and student loans. Can you roll student loans into a consolidation?
 
bjork said:
I'm about $34,000 in debt, total. This includes two credit cards, the remainder of my car balance, and student loans. Can you roll student loans into a consolidation?

I would imagine so. Although I don't know if it is worth it since most student loans already have pretty low interest rates.
 
gutshot said:
I would imagine so. Although I don't know if it is worth it since most student loans already have pretty low interest rates.

I'm looking for a longer term, as my current situation is making it kinda tough.
 
I just recently got out of credit card debt completely. I peaked at around $11,000. Here's what I did, hopefully it's of use:

- Paid all my credit card bills online, and on time. I was no good keeping track of my payments with standard mail, and I ended up with a 30-day late which jacked up my interest rates substantially. I never used automatic bill pay though. It's much better to establish fiscal discipline (and far more cathartic) to manually pay each month.

- Paid more than the minimum every time, usually around 300-500$ a month.

- Cut up all my cards except for one with no outstanding balance, low available credit, and a VERY HIGH interest rate. That way, I could use it but I'd be forced to pay it off every month.

- I got a 6% fixed rate for life balance transfer and moved all my debt to that, with a capped transfer fee of $250 or so.. (beware uncapped balance transfer fees and promotional 0% APRs that reset to exorbitant rates after 6 months)

- Increased my monthly cash flow by canceling cable TV.

- Made a contract with myself: no major purchases until I'm out of CC debt: no new computers, no TVs or home entertainment centers, nothing. (OK, I gave in for a Wii)

Good luck!
 
So, I've got $74971.64 to pay back for college.
Holy shit. That was a mistake.
 
gutshot said:
Thanks to everyone that gave advice (big thanks to Cyan, that was a lot of good info). I've spent the past day reading up on this stuff and I think I've got a plan now. I'm going to try the "snowballing method" as it seems to make the most sense to me. I might also look into getting a loan from a bank, especially for the bigger card balances.

Also, I'm working on a budget now. I went through all my expenses for the past month and there are definitely areas where we can cut back. Any suggestions for some good, free budget software? I know Quicken or Microsoft Money are supposed to be good but, for obvious reasons, I would like something that isn't going to cost me anything! For now I just threw something together in Excel, but I think an actual program would make things easier.

Any other suggestions are welcome as well. I'm sure there are others on these here boards that are in my predicament and would find this info useful. Thanks again everyone!

Try gnuCash. Open source and free!
http://www.gnucash.org
 
argon said:
I just recently got out of credit card debt completely. I peaked at around $11,000. Here's what I did, hopefully it's of use:

- Paid all my credit card bills online, and on time. I was no good keeping track of my payments with standard mail, and I ended up with a 30-day late which jacked up my interest rates substantially. I never used automatic bill pay though. It's much better to establish fiscal discipline (and far more cathartic) to manually pay each month.

- Paid more than the minimum every time, usually around 300-500$ a month.

- Made a contract with myself: no major purchases until I'm out of CC debt: no new computers, no TVs or home entertainment centers, nothing. (OK, I gave in for a Wii)

Good luck!

I can do the first and the last ones fine, but I only wish I had the kind of money it would take to do the middle one. Hopefully after I switch jobs.
 
there's an interesting movie made a couple years ago called Maxed Out. It's all about credit, debt, national debt and all sorts of other things.
 
rhfb said:
Kinda glad to say I've never been in debt of any kind. Almost done with college too :)
I'm just starting all the paperwork to get my loan repayment going
$100k in debt.
College was a big mistake.
 
RevenantKioku said:
I'm just starting all the paperwork to get my loan repayment going
$100k in debt.
College was a big mistake.
Hopefully it was atleast a raucous memorable mistake (with lots of sex)
 
wormstrangler said:
Has anyone mentioned selling all your unneeded consumer shit?

I bet you have a couple of thousands tied up in things you don't really need.

I actually did that last year. :p
 
I was in some serious shit with CC debt. But you learn some things going the hard way.

I had 3 cards.

Every time I was late with payment the pricks charge a certain amount ($40 per late payment for me).

One card was so late that they sent me to their own collection agency, had to add to my debt about $500 their lawyer fees. But the good thing was that, while they cancelled my card, they also removed the interest on the debt and I could pay off as little or as much as I wished. Basically once it gets to a certain point, they are scared that you will never pay off your debt, so they let you pay it off at your leasure.

I still owe about 1k, but in 2 months that should be gone.

Credit Cards fucking suck, never again. I will only go in debt for:

1) Car
2) Home

Everything else im gonna save for.
 
navii said:
I was in some serious shit with CC debt. But you learn some things going the hard way.

I had 3 cards.

Every time I was late with payment the pricks charge a certain amount ($40 per late payment for me).

One card was so late that they sent me to their own collection agency, had to add to my debt about $500 their lawyer fees. But the good thing was that, while they cancelled my card, they also removed the interest on the debt and I could pay off as little or as much as I wished. Basically once it gets to a certain point, they are scared that you will never pay off your debt, so they let you pay it off at your leasure.

I still owe about 1k, but in 2 months that should be gone.

Credit Cards fucking suck, never again. I will only go in debt for:

1) Car
2) Home

Everything else im gonna save for.

I don't understand how they are pricks for you not paying on time.
 
navii said:
I was in some serious shit with CC debt. But you learn some things going the hard way.

I had 3 cards.

Every time I was late with payment the pricks charge a certain amount ($40 per late payment for me).

One card was so late that they sent me to their own collection agency, had to add to my debt about $500 their lawyer fees. But the good thing was that, while they cancelled my card, they also removed the interest on the debt and I could pay off as little or as much as I wished. Basically once it gets to a certain point, they are scared that you will never pay off your debt, so they let you pay it off at your leasure.

I still owe about 1k, but in 2 months that should be gone.

Credit Cards fucking suck, never again. I will only go in debt for:

1) Car
2) Home

Everything else im gonna save for.

You may be able to "pay it back at your leisure", but your credit is now absolutely FUCKED for quite some time. Good luck getting a loan when you need it.
 
I don't get how people can spend money they don't have. Makes no sense. Taking out a loan for a house or car, that I can understand, but credit cards for every day purchases is just a really shitty idea.
 
Crow said:
I don't get how people can spend money they don't have. Makes no sense. Taking out a loan for a house or car, that I can understand, but credit cards for every day purchases is just a really shitty idea.


Everyone wants the shiny new toy that's just a little too much for them. So the prospect of paying a little here, a little there is VERY luring. Next thing you know it's something else that grabs your attention.....

It makes perfect sense.
 
gutshot said:
Also, I'm working on a budget now. I went through all my expenses for the past month and there are definitely areas where we can cut back. Any suggestions for some good, free budget software? I know Quicken or Microsoft Money are supposed to be good but, for obvious reasons, I would like something that isn't going to cost me anything! For now I just threw something together in Excel, but I think an actual program would make things easier.

Buddi. Does budgets, account and expense tracking and pretty reports. Win/Mac/Linux friendly. So awesome.
 
Crow said:
I don't get how people can spend money they don't have. Makes no sense. Taking out a loan for a house or car, that I can understand, but credit cards for every day purchases is just a really shitty idea.

Money if you don't have it, yeah, but not if you do have it. I use my credit card for everyday purchases every single time. Why? Since I am using an Amazon.com credit card, I get bonuses for using it. And if you pay it off in full every single time (like I do) then you don't accumulate any interest on the card, meaning: free stuff off Amazon. Over the past few years I've gotten at least $500 worth of free stuff from Amazon with that card. There are plenty of credit cards that offer bonuses.
 
All your debt is weaksauce. I went from going through undergraduate and a masters program with no debt (including a completely paid-off car) to getting married and inheriting $200,000 in my wife's medical school loans. Granted, it's at a much better interest rate, but paying it off is like having a summer home that I never get to visit.

Still, your wife needs to get a job (at least a part-time job). You could come home, cover the kids, and she'd be on her way.
 
This thread has been pretty helpful so far. I have nearly 10k in credit card debt (and I owe 6k on my car) and I've been playing the balance transfer game. Luckily, some extra money has come in and I have a nice $2100 emergency fund.
 
I'm not in debt myself but this thread was an interesting read and a great reminder of why you should be careful with credit cards and why I don't have one. Good luck to the OP and everyone trying to get out of debt. Judging by some of the replies it's not necessarily the end of the world.

Also, :lol @ argon for buying a Wii while in debt. Awesome.
 
1. Sacrifice- do not eat out. Take lunch to work. Go to the lowest cost packages on the cable TV, the internet, cell phone,etc. Start using grocery coupons. Companies like Kroger will start sending you pretty good coupons once they see you using coupons in their store. I got 2 months' worth of "$5 off $35 grocery purchase" coupons each good for a separate week. I knock at least $30-40 off a $120 grocery purchase with coupons.
2. Cable, electric, cell,etc can be paid once every 2 months. Make a big payment to a credit card every other month (besides your regular payments). The late fee on the utility bill is usually less than the monthly interest on credit card and if you can reduce one by a big chunk once every other month you will come out ahead with the reduced interest costs.
3. Pick up extra work, 16-24 hours working for $8/hour (example) will net you around $80-140 extra per month.
4. Drive a lot less if possible. Car pool, public transportation, etc are usually cheaper than buying gas for a daily commute. Don't let "convenience" outweigh the reduced costs. Plus you will probably have some pleasant surprises along the way.

Sacrifice for a year and I bet you could have those debts pretty much knocked down.
 
I have about $21,000 in credit card debt currently. $14K of that is a piano loan that I moved over onto a CC at a fixed, permanent 5% interest rate thanks to a promotional balance transfer, so I'm not paying that off with any kind of urgency. $4K is a car that I just bought plus what I needed to keep it roadworthy for a little while, and I'll cover most of that once I get my other car sold. The rest is general expenses and I'll get to that once I've closed on the house.

I would prefer not to be in debt, but as long as you can keep your eye on the ball it's not a killer.
 
Do you have random crap you could ebay? Liquidating assets can be a satisfying experience.

I'm in the middle of clearing out my stuff at home and making tidy sums as I go.
 
hc2 said:
1. Sacrifice- do not eat out. Take lunch to work. Go to the lowest cost packages on the cable TV, the internet, cell phone,etc. Start using grocery coupons. Companies like Kroger will start sending you pretty good coupons once they see you using coupons in their store. I got 2 months' worth of "$5 off $35 grocery purchase" coupons each good for a separate week. I knock at least $30-40 off a $120 grocery purchase with coupons.
2. Cable, electric, cell,etc can be paid once every 2 months. Make a big payment to a credit card every other month (besides your regular payments). The late fee on the utility bill is usually less than the monthly interest on credit card and if you can reduce one by a big chunk once every other month you will come out ahead with the reduced interest costs.
3. Pick up extra work, 16-24 hours working for $8/hour (example) will net you around $80-140 extra per month.
4. Drive a lot less if possible. Car pool, public transportation, etc are usually cheaper than buying gas for a daily commute. Don't let "convenience" outweigh the reduced costs. Plus you will probably have some pleasant surprises along the way.

Sacrifice for a year and I bet you could have those debts pretty much knocked down.

How about just giving up cable TV? Seriously, consider how much you watch TV and then how much you pay for it and if you don't watch that much, drop the costs and put that towards paying off your debt.

And if your work provides internet, maybe even give up internet at home, though I'd go on a huge porn downloading binge before I did that! :lol
 
bjork said:
I'm looking for a longer term, as my current situation is making it kinda tough.
I consolidated my loans. I wanted lower payments for a longer period too.

Much easier taking care of one bill instead of 4.
 
Dave Ramsey is the way to go. Thanks to him I've kicked the crap out of most of my student loan debt. And my debt pile was much much larger than the original OP's.

The whole point is that he gives you a plan. People on this thread will give you pointers which are good and many are right but his book gives you a comprehensive plan to get out of your mess. It will give you motivation and tell you the mindset you need to be in to tackle the debt. It will also tell you the rewards for doing it (something as simple as peace of mind is priceless). It's not about quick fixes or kicking the can down the road.

Buy his book and listen to the podcasts.
 
YakiSOBA said:
why do you buy shit you can't afford?
Scary. I have a friend who started a recording studio. He borrowed around 70K from different sources. His business failed. Now he's selling knock off Nikes out of the trunk of his car. And on top of all of this, he is a divorced father and pays child support and alamoney, or however the hell you spell it.

But at least he has a BA in business and is going to school for his masters. No job though.
 
gutshot said:
So yeah, me and the wife pretty much screwed ourselves by charging for a bunch of stuff the first couple years of our marriage. Even though I'm making more money at my job now then when I first started, the credit card bills are making it so we have next to zero disposable income. Basically I make JUST enough to stay afloat each month, but I know that it is going to take a LONG ass time to pay off the credit cards at the minimum rate each month. Add in to this mix the fact that we are going to have our second kid in Sept. and I'm feeling like I might be in serious financial trouble.

So what is the best thing to do at this point? We've been doing the balance transfer game for a little while now, but that isn't much of a long-term solution. I keep hearing these commercials for debt relief agencies that will broker a settlement with your creditors so that you don't have to pay your full balance. This sounds like a good idea, but there has to be a catch right?

The other option I guess would be to declare bankruptcy. I don't really know how to go about doing that (this reminds me of that Office episode, I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!!!) What does becoming bankrupt entail? Doesn't it pretty much ruin your credit for the rest of your life?

So I turn to you, FinanceGAF. What should I do?

EDIT: Nice catch DiscoNaldo.

Go buy this book :
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First of all, cut up your credit cards. I don't care if you take a dump on them, poor gas on them and light them on fire.... STOP USING THEM!

If you pay your bills with credit cards for skymiles, stop.
if you pay your bills with credit cards for points, stop.
if you pay your bills with credit cards to pay off other credit cards, stop!

The problem with debt is that it roots you. You are now a slave to Chase, Citi Bank, Bank of America,Master Card or Visa because of your purchases however big or however small.

So the question you have to ask yourself is how much debt do you actually have? $15k in credit card debt--- how much in auto loans? student loans?

Ramsey's books and DVD has changed how I treat my money and how I live. Me and my wife didn't live off a budget for the first couple years of our marriage.... (we're at year 3 now) but now we do.

After you've cut up your cards, make sure your debt cards are at the ready as the ONLY plastic that you SHOULD be using will be your debt card.

It sounds like you need to start a budget.

Get together all of the bills you have and that you pay on a monthly basis.
Add all of them up. JUST BILLS at first, we'll get to the CC stuff in a bit.

Now if you're working and living off one income, take your income - bills = total available cash on hand after the bills are paid.

From the sounds it though, your monthly payments are moving up and so is the interest you're probably paying.

By your model, it probably looks something like this:

Income - bills - CC - what I want = $10 bucks left over each month.

If your car payments for one car... or two cars are MORE than $600-700 bucks a month, sell them. You can't afford them. Put them up for sale on Craigslist or Autotrader ASAP and then buy a used car with CASH and skip the car payments.

So now that we've progressed on and you're starting to get a feeling on what you can and cannot afford, look at it a couple of ways....

Do you need all the crap you bought (meaning TV, electronics, car, stereo etc)? Chances are no. If it's other things such as furniture or a gas BBQ grille that you put on the credit card, sell it! Chances are you couldn't afford ANY of the above things at regular price... what makes you think you could afford it at the regular price + 11% interest?

Re-filter what your priorities are and re-shape what you need vs. what you want.

Lastly,

In true Ramsey fashion; Your credit score is going to suck for a couple years. Get over it and don't cry at night about it. Credit scores are an f'ning joke when people like me pay cash for everything we want. Who cares about credit scores? Its' a lie that the credit card companies lure you into trying to play when really, even when buying a house, if you have 20%+ downpayment, you're not a risk to the lender.

So... if you can ditch any luxuries you have such as High Def cable/Sat. TV/ DVR, XM, Sirius, etc... things that are NOT basic life essentials, then ditch them. Drop to basic cable and get 12 channels a month. I mean really, how much TV do you need? Other bills, as Ramsey has said, don't pay them for a couple months if you cannot pay them.

I'm dead serious about this. If you budget and you can't pay your cell phone bill for 3-6 months, so be it. They won't disconnect you if you eventually pay them $20 bucks or something you CAN pay them when you get a chance, but there are some bills that you just can't pay. Again, DO NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR CREDIT SCORE!

Start paying off your lowest credit debt first, then snowball that money you used on that to pay off the other one and then the other and then the other.

I can tell you there is light at the end of the tunnel as we're about 9 months into this process and it's really hard, but right now I'm siting on about $10,000 cash that is going to be going towards a 2010/2011 M3 or Evo depending on which car I want and guess what.... I'm going to pay cash for either car.

It's doable and you can do it, it just requires some restraint and determination to beat the Credit Card companies at their own game.

Best of luck.

VoG
 
RevenantKioku said:
I'm just starting all the paperwork to get my loan repayment going
$100k in debt.
College was a big mistake.

I'm in the same boat.

$86,000 in private student loans
$9000 in federal loans
$5000 CC debt
$6500 left on my car loan

And I haven't even started paying off my private loans. They're in forebearance till the end of the month.
 
bjork said:
I'm looking for a longer term, as my current situation is making it kinda tough.

You can consolidate your student loans. Try Sallie Mae. I think i have around 16k in student loans at 3.something percent fixed.
 
Coverly said:
You can consolidate your student loans. Try Sallie Mae. I think i have around 16k in student loans at 3.something percent fixed.

Good luck with that. Because of the credit crunch and the economy, a lot of loan consolidation places are backing out of consolidations (more so private than federal) or they're getting more stringent (higher credit requirements).
 
VictimOfGrief said:
If you pay your bills with credit cards for skymiles, stop.
if you pay your bills with credit cards for points, stop.
if you pay your bills with credit cards to pay off other credit cards, stop!
Just the OP or all of us? I like getting free stuff.

Why did you guys spend so much to go to school? I knew I could not afford one of the bigger or well known universities, so I stayed local and went to a school that gave me good grant money. It's silly to put yourself into that much debt.
 
Wellington said:
Just the OP or all of us? I like getting free stuff.

Why did you guys spend so much to go to school? I knew I could not afford one of the bigger or well known universities, so I stayed local and went to a school that gave me good grant money. It's silly to put yourself into that much debt.

The more the better. Nothing is free.
 
Ok I have an issue

I have 2 CC accounts which im under debt, one where im down 5000 and one where im down 1000, the combined monthly payment for both reach around 250 and that does not include interest that they charge my checking account.

I wanted to know how debt consolidation will affect my credit rating? I know that it will temporarily bring it down, my credit score is already ONLY 680 and i dont want it to go below 650. I am fine paying my auto loan where I pay 220 a month but I want to get rid of my CC loans so I have enough money saved for a House in 3-5 years.

Will my credit score go up if I use debt consolidation and pay off all my CC loans ? I have not missed my CC payments ever! so im good in that regard


Thanks
 
We really, really, really need to step up basic finance classes in high school. The number of people I know that got in debt in college because they signed up for a credit card for a free t-shirt then charged a bunch of stuff while only making minimum payments is absurd. They nearly shat themselves when I showed them the math on how much their debt would end up costing them at that rate.

At A-Kon a few weeks ago, while I was waiting in (the long ass) line to check in, the guy I was next to and I were talking most of the time. Something came up about CCs, and I mentioned that I only have one to build credit, I pay it off every month, plus I can use it to get 10% off of everything I buy at Target. He then tells me that he only has one as well, and he maxed it out completely and only pays the minimum on purpose because his uncle or some shit told him that maxing out + minimum payments looks good on your credit report. 20% interest per year, he says, but that's not really that much. ::sigh::

Cyan said:
This is the thing I don't like about Ramsey--the one-size-fits-all approach. There are definitely reasons to have credit cards, and there are people who can use them responsibly. Using credit cards to get air miles by paying bills you'd have to pay anyway seems reasonable to me.
From what I understand (having not done the program or listened to him myself), though, his program is aimed directly at people who have proven that they CANNOT use them responsibly. Yes, using cards to get miles paying bills you have to pay anyway seems reasonable, but for the people that the program is aimed at, keeping the card around for even that logical reason is too much of a temptation.

Again, I haven't read any of his stuff personally, but it hasn't seemed to me that it's one-size-fits-all, it seems like it's you-really-really-suck-at-finance-so-here's-how-to-start-over.

I'm sure he (or his publisher) throws in some token "rules anyone can use!" lines to sell copies, but for the most part, his advice has come off as pretty specifically targeted to me.
 
dont feel bad op, im 25 and about 13k in CC debt lol. doesn't really bother me tho because I'll pay it off in about 6 months. I'm planning on paying about 2k a month to the credit cards, and then pay off my car (about 4k) and be totally debt free except those damn student loans thats still in defermenet.

just get a 2nd job if u have to, or try to switch jobs, move to somewhere cheaper, cut off anything that you don't need to survive. you can do it, but you're gonna have to tighten your belt to do it
 
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