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Jaffe:"Is this biased journalism? Or is it just me?"
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Stoney Mason
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APF said:
M$NBC!
M$NBC!!
M$NBC!!!
Kazuma Kiryu
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is this for real? :lol :lol :lol :lolGreen Biker Dude said:
CrushDance
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Well you seem to think you know me, which you don't. So you basis of calling me a fanboy has nothing to it. And you really need to read slower next time, I said that I got sold on the hype and bullshit from Sony regarding what the PS3 would do, like many others. But that I had come to the realization that it was bullshit, hence me saying that having alliance to any big corporation was quite possibly the silliest thing possible. I called myself out and said that I'd learned my lesson about hype.Coverly said:
Not at all. Nintendo has always made money. I was referencing Microsoft in that case after the money used for RRoD and how they still managed to pull through to the position they're in now.Vinci said:
Wow I think people are kinda going overboard when they are saying stuff like "The Ps3 is the greatest screw up in the history of consumer electronics" and "From a business standpoint, it is a complete failure" etc etc. It was definately a fall from grace and a lot of harsh lessons learned, but this isn't the goddamn Gizmondo people.
That being said, I don't necessarily think the Journalism is extremely bias - but it does have some problems in the way it states its claims. It should be saying things like "Some might argue that blah blah blah" or "A few people have claimed that this is that and that" and maybe a few "Using this information, I think we can assume that this is the case"'s for good measure. The way the questions were asked, no one working for Sony is going to go in answering the questions without immediately being in defense mode.
That being said, I don't necessarily think the Journalism is extremely bias - but it does have some problems in the way it states its claims. It should be saying things like "Some might argue that blah blah blah" or "A few people have claimed that this is that and that" and maybe a few "Using this information, I think we can assume that this is the case"'s for good measure. The way the questions were asked, no one working for Sony is going to go in answering the questions without immediately being in defense mode.
Basileus777
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It's pretty absurd that people are seriously entertaining the idea that Microsoft's gaming division has some kind of creative control over MSNBC. Microsoft as a whole only owns a small portion of it to begin with, one division of Microsoft doesn't have that kind of leverage.
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
MS is not the only one with big failure rate on a system. (PS and PS2)MrNyarlathotep said:
to me MSNBC has always been bad. I like CNN and even FOX better than MSNBC
Byakuya769 said:
Even Kojima has said he is addicted to L4Dead.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3172266
The positive word-of-mouth opinion on Left4Dead is spreading like wildfire. You can see this in the monthly NPD sales charts where it is remaining a best seller.
CrushDance said:
Good man. I'm getting sick of people comparing the position Sony is in to the one Nintendo was in before, as they're completely different.
To be fair, I agree with an earlier poster that the RROD fiasco was a small price to pay for MS to achieve its goal of getting the console out first and setting up the foundation for what would eventually hurt Sony enormously this generation. So I think it sort of paid off.
I mean, losing me as a customer likely doesn't matter as much as sticking it to Sony. From their point of view at least.
Vast Inspiration
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It seems that the entire industry was cheering Dan on when he had Microsoft by the balls.
But when the hard questions are asked of Sony/Sony's Developers....its teh bias!!
Get Bent Jaffe.
It was legitimate when Dan did it, and its legitimate now.
The Faceless Master
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ICE BURNCoverly said:
CrushDance
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Don't you work for 1Up? :S Why can't you guys ask? Forget it if I'm mistaken.FartOfWar said:
Nope. He was trying to call me out as a fanboy, if anything I'm a fan of the system and by association I want it to succeed so that my investment is worth it. Hence why I got pretty pissed at the failure of marketing that SCEA has done in the KZ2 thread.The Faceless Master said:
But I still want everyone else to succeed so that the industry can keep moving forward and everyone challenge each other with new ideas which benefit me in the end. I'm not playing nice with any company because at the end of the day they don't give a damn about you when things go wrong. A lesson I learned first hand.
sankt-Antonio
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well sad thing is that sony learned that its not a good idea to put an awsomely build and feature rich console to the market....
and that makes me sad - because i am/was willing to pay 600 when i think that the system is build great and has a lot of features...sadly most dont think that way
and that makes me sad - because i am/was willing to pay 600 when i think that the system is build great and has a lot of features...sadly most dont think that way
boiled goose
good with gravy
the comments on the blog site are hilarious...
ps3 apologists...:lol
ps3 apologists...:lol
I take serious issue with this bollocks.Green Biker Dude said:
None of those games are all that good, outside of NG2, and NGS is better, and a PS3 exclusive, and it's not alone.
Final Fantasy Versus XIII looks incredible
God of War 3 is going to be amazing
Gran Turismo 5 is sure to be a great game
Heavy Rain looks stunning
InFamous could be cool
Killzone 2 is awesome
LittleBigPlanet was great
Metal Gear Solid 4 was amazing
Motorstorm 2 was a lot of fun
Africa looks to be cool (yeah, I spelt it that way on purpose)
Quantum Theory looks like shit, but some people seem to be excited about it
MAG, same, looks shit to me, but people are excited
Warhawk is quite popular
Socom, same thing
Both R&C games out are good, the one out this fall is bound to be solid
Some people seem to think Resistance has some redeeming quality to it
Yakuza 3 if it comes to the rest of the world will be good no doubt
Siren is currently the best current generation horror game
Uncharted 1 was really cool
Uncharted 2 looks great
Valkyria Chronicles is much loved, though not my cup of tea
White Knight Chronicles seems to have been fairly well received, that could be good
Trico, not announced yet but Ico and SotC are two of the best games ever
I know people on GAF hate list warz, but this bullshit that the PS3 has no good games is so annoying.
Yes, anyone could put a similar list up for the 360, this is not to shit on the 360 at all. Just to say there are games for the PS3.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Vast Inspiration said:
It seems that the entire industry was cheering Dan on when he had Microsoft by the balls.
But when the hard questions are asked of Sony/Sony's Developers....its teh bias!!
Get Bent Jaffe.
It was legitimate when Dan did it, and its legitimate now.
Yeah and if I made the console they were asking about, you might have a point.
OR
if they were asking me about games I had worked on, you might have a point.
OR
if I had not said I was fine with TOUGH questions but not BIASED interviews that already had an agenda going in, you would have a point.
As is, I fail to see your point. You plan on getting one?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Lot of the same old shit in this thread. One would think that after awhile people would develop new thoughts and/or opinions.
Grampa Simpson
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Well, you know what they say about opinions - everybody's got one.MotherFan said:
I think I have mine because it's a difference between myopic shortsightedness on Sony's part - really a few key executives for that matter, and was committed years before that price announcement.
Microsoft's screw-up was situated cleanly in their desire to get their product to market for Christmas 2005 which resulted in multiple cut corners which hasn't hurt them as much this generation as I think it would have, but at the same time will be a stigma for generations to come. I won't buy the 360's successor until it's been on market for a couple of years to make sure it's not going to break on me. I'm sure there are a lot of other people of the same mind as me on that one.
Sony at least put out a fairly solid product - even if it wasn't right for the market.
Choke on the Magic
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davidjaffe said:
Don't hold your breath on that one Jaffe.
on one hand, those questions are perfectly viable. sony made some terrible mistakes in the past few years that has made the PS3 something akin to a joke in the business sense.
on the other hand, i have NO idea of why Jaffe would answer, know the answer, or even CARE about the answer. he's a developer, an employee. he's not about to tick off his mealticket, and it's silly to expect him to do so.
on the other hand, i have NO idea of why Jaffe would answer, know the answer, or even CARE about the answer. he's a developer, an employee. he's not about to tick off his mealticket, and it's silly to expect him to do so.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Hey thanks to whoever keeps mentioning Foxnews.
Now I got O'Reilly shitting up my adspace.
Now I got O'Reilly shitting up my adspace.
The Faceless Master
Member
so what did you have for lunch anyway?davidjaffe said:
Mike Works
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for the record, i don't think the questions are "biased", but they definitely do have a negative slant to them- some of them fairly, some of them unfairly.
however, you cannot condemn the journalist at all at this point, because the only thing that matters is the end result (the article).
however, you cannot condemn the journalist at all at this point, because the only thing that matters is the end result (the article).
Mike Works
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Vast Inspiration's heartThe Faceless Master said:
I think davidjaffe should probably accept that hope for the PS3 is fading, and is most likely gone. I mean that purely in terms of a viable success for Sony financially and in terms of having the biggest userbase or even close. The jury is out on whether killing HD-DVD actually makes Blu-Ray the dominate movie format in the upcoming years, and in that we may have to revisit the ultimate answer.
PS3 is the Gamecube. It is still a viable platform that can provide plenty of fun for fans and console-specific enthusiasts (hell, I loved the Gamecube), but it's not unfair to see it is a failure. A catastrophic failure, in the arenas this guy is talking about.
PS3 is the Gamecube. It is still a viable platform that can provide plenty of fun for fans and console-specific enthusiasts (hell, I loved the Gamecube), but it's not unfair to see it is a failure. A catastrophic failure, in the arenas this guy is talking about.
Eteric Rice
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Wat.
I mean Killzone 2 and GoW3 are good "wait for" games, but that?
The Faceless Master
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Che Chou?belvedere said:
krypt0nian
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davidjaffe said:
HOLY shit fuck! :lol
The Faceless Master
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:lol :lol :lolMike Works said:
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Amir0x said:
Jesus dude. That is SO not what this is about. I am not defending or attacking Sony.
Maybe PS3=the cube, maybe not.
I don't actually give a rat's ass. I think there are enough folks who own it and play it that we can make a good biz out of being exclusive with Sony. We are happy to be. The more the merrier. I would LOVE more folks to have and play a PS3. I am hoping for it.
But this was never about me defending Sony.
It was/is about me thinking the interviewer's questions were-perhaps- off base.
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