Bill_the_Butcher
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SapientWolf said:
That's the unfortunate thing about Fox's success. Other people want a piece of the pie so journalism goes down the shitter.
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Jaffe:"Is this biased journalism? Or is it just me?"
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That's the unfortunate thing about Fox's success. Other people want a piece of the pie so journalism goes down the shitter.
Byakuya769
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ShockingAlberto said:
Congrats, you win for knowing the difference between the two! That should end the thread.
davidjaffe
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Oni Jazar said:
And the funniest part is that many of you guys ACT like these are really hard hitting questions to ask me! Like the reason I reacted the way I did was because these questions really shook me up and I was scared to answer them! They are not hard hitting questions, they are just poor questions and the wrong questions to ask me.
But since so many of you think that is not the case, here, let me spell it out for some of you twat burgers:
a- YES I would imagine that the PS3 is not doing as well as Sony would like. Do I know this? No, Sony is not a person I have tea with. It's a company and I am not privy to many of the discussions that occur with the walls of said company. But does it take someone with an intellect much greater than Corky's from LIFE GOES ON to realize that it would be great for Sony- and all parties involved with Sony- if it was selling more??! I mean, that would rock! More sales=more money. More money=one of the ways a company judges success! So yes, that would be great!
b- Would it be great if the PS3 were cheaper!?!? FUCK YEAH! Sony has said as much and I am sure- again I don't know this for a fact but I assume- that they are working on ways to a) stay profitable while b) providing customers with a great product at a fair as possible price. I don't know why decisions were made to sell it at 600 bucks to begin with and I am sure Sony would have loved to have sold it for cheaper. But they made strategic calls and they live and/or die by them. Right now, they are staying afloat because of the decisions (good and bad) that they have made and they are finally close to making profit on the boxes. The game division has enough cash to fund our game and it seems- from what I see in the press- lots of other games. So I know that seems like all is well in Sony land, but that's just second hand assumptions. Again, why the fuck are you asking me?!?! Anyway: What else would you like me to say about it?
c- I never was privy to the inner workings of Kaz, Stringer, or Ken Kutaragi. Hell, I've never met Stringer and doubt Ken or Kaz would know who I was if they bumped into me at the mall. So I just can't speak to that question.
d- as for the 'cobble' together question...I simply don't agree. One of the nice things about all the PS3 systems having a decent-to-great sized harddrive is that the system can easily evolve over time. Folks who have a 360 should be familiar with this idea as well. If that is cobbling together then I guess that is what releasing periodic updates means. I assume the msnbc website layout has not changed since it first launched, what, 8-10 years ago?
e- And as for the rest of the bullshit questions with phrases such as "lukewarm reception", "It's been said that", "a crippling move for Sony", "Consumers appear indifferent to Blu-ray", well if that sort of language is fine for you as a consumer of journalism (with no facts to back it up and in some cases contrary facts easily found online), then you deserve the journalism that informs you. But hey, we live in country where- what is it?- 90% of high school students think the government has a right to tell journalists what they can and can not print... so fuck it, perhaps I'm in the minority to demand more from journalists that cover ANY topic, be it politics or games.
And again, I'm more than happy to answer whatever you consider hard hitting questions that pertain to me and the work I do (within reason,I can not reveal some info as it is under NDA)....but don't get on your fucking high horse and act like these questions really got to me and THAT is why I didn't respond.
David
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There goes the lunch break again.davidjaffe said:
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Was taking a break, surfing the net, waiitng for the new build to download.
This is FUN for me...I've been loving stuff like this getting into it with fellow members of my junior high class on BBS hate boards!
It's like a nice break for me
David
This is FUN for me...I've been loving stuff like this getting into it with fellow members of my junior high class on BBS hate boards!
It's like a nice break for me
David
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Deku said:
Not from me you won't.
And lukewarm reception in the question was not clear what he was referring to. There are many PS3 fans who have not given the hardware a lukewarm reception...a good % of 21 million I would imagine. If he wants to be a journalist he needs to learn how to phrase a question in a way that makes sense what exactly he is referring to.
Byakuya769
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davidjaffe said:
Compared to "people will get second jobs to afford the PS3", that is a VERY LUKEWARM reception, though.
Also it's starting to seem like your argument is moving in different directions. Initially this was about whether or not the questions are biase/fair, now it's about whether or not the questions should have been asked of you in particular. If that's where we're at now, then no.. many were silly questions to ask of you, but as to your initial complaint.. I still think that they were generally reasonable questions, they didn't need the flag of MEDIA BIAS.
TheRagnCajun
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Byakuya769 said:
Kuturagi quotes? If there's one obvious mistake Sony has ever made, it was putting that guy in the spotlight.
Byakuya769
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levious said:
yea and he got his answer, which prompted him to come here and start the usual name calling and such. Not a good look.
MightyHedgehog
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Who's inferring that you're afraid to answer them? I'm wondering why you simply didn't do so to begin with and shut down what you've already called poor (or poorly phrased) and/or inappropriate questions. Or did you copy 'n paste those answers from your response to the email? If not, why not since you just did directly address them now? Until the piece is out there in the wild to be read, I can't quite see your point about biased journalism, though. Now that this is a high-profile thread on the 'net, it will be clear who asked you those questions since we know what source to expect them from.davidjaffe said:
PartlyCloudlike
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MightyHedgehog said:
Vast Inspiration. In several posts. He's now banned.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
MightyHedgehog said:
As I said, I don't mind the questions per se. I DO think they are biased (the guy entered into it with a slanted view of what he wanted his piece to be about and they were phrased in a non neutral way...to me, this=bias...not you)?
I mind the questions were asked of me as it seems he was fishing for sensationalist quotes versus doing a real, honest story.
I mind his paycheck comes from Microsoft and when someone from Msoft approaches me with such slant against the PS3, I get suspicious. Most sane people would. Not cause 360 is bad, not cause msoft is evil. But they are the main competition of Sony and it just looks bad and feels wrong.
I do NOT mind answering the questions if YOU guys want them answered. And that is why I did it. Seemed enough folks were asking for me to answer them. No issues. I'll do it for ya'll, not for a journalist writing what seems to be a biased story.
And if you care to explain to me how the questions are not biased, cool.
Will respond later tonite if I have time- back to work.
David
Byakuya769 said:
Sony sold 21 million PS3 consoles in the same timespan MS sold about 20 million 360s. If the PS3 got a lukewarm reception with these sales, then the 360 is just as much a failure.
The biggest problem with the PS3 is its perception (or else there simply many more gamers who want the PS3 to be conceived as a failure so they feel better about their own console)
Byakuya769
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ymmv said:
Sure if you ignore market share...
Byakuya769 said:
The 360s 12 month headstart gave them a lead of about 10 million. Their lead currently is about 8 or 9 million consoles. Yes, MS has got a larger market share but its only because the 360 has been on the market 12 months longer than the PS3 (and 15 months longer if you're in Euroland). If you look at the total number of consoles sold after about 24 months you'll find they did about the same but for some reason people think the 360 did excellent business in its first two years whereas Sony didn't sell a single PS3.
davidjaffe said:
What the hell...
Personally, I think your accusations of bias are premature. For one thing, your initial question doesn't seem to refer so much to a journalist having a "slant" as it seems to infer that the journalist is doing something ethically improper. Like I said before, I agree with you that the questions are pretty fucking dumb, but that doesn't make the journalist a bad person.
Second of all, well, have you seen the finished article? Do you think the journalist might have followed up with you on your responses and asked further questions, or ask someone else for their input as well? Who knows, the whole damn thing could've been doom and gloom, only to have rainbows and unicorns at the end via PS3's future outlook? Doubtful, I know, but I don't think you can condemn the whole shebang over a few questions sent to your email address.
Obviously, there's a slant here, but as others have already said, this is more of a feature article, as opposed to pure "here's what's going on with the PS3 and its status in the industry today." If the journalist doesn't have an angle, the article's going to be all over the place, and likely, not very good. Like I said, having a slant isn't a bad thing. Coloring the facts under the guise of objective reporting (aka classic "yellow journalism") is a bad thing.
MightyHedgehog
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Knowing what I know of journalists (not game industry journos) asking questions, I understand that there's a way to eke more interesting info from those who (it's assumed) might not normally be willing to be more honest or detailed with their answers (especially if it involves an employer or contractor or other close tie)...it's a tactic, AFAIK, and not necessarily a clear indication of bias. Now, obviously, it can completely turn off any answers depending on how things are put/framed. So, no, I don't automatically assume that it's biased journalism. I'll decide that when the final copy is out there to read. After all, it's quite common to see 'neutral' or 'normal' questions and their answers get their original context turned inside out for maximum effect in the final work.davidjaffe said:
I understand your apprehension, but we can take almost any news outlet and play x degrees of separation to determine possible compromise that can stem from something as simple as the staff and their work history or make guesses about possible influence from big money account advertisers. It's certainly within your right to deny interaction with those you don't feel comfortable with.
In any case, it's a loss to the interviewer since he/she was the one to make contact for their piece. Of course, this hubbub has possibly gained the upcoming piece more attention and, consequently, hits.
Byakuya769
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ymmv said:
Investors aren't looking at who had a head start, or who started later.. they're looking at income statements, revenues/expenses, and the like. With that said, when I mention market share, I am referring to a comparison of the market share held with the psx and ps2, which the ps3 has lost much of.
RockmanWhore
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Go back to work David, we want to play your future game :lol
MightyHedgehog
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Why do people use launch-adjusted stats to say anything really useful when they never do. Timing is an extremely important element in business.ymmv said:
Byakuya769
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MightyHedgehog said:
Yep, especially when it's getting out sold today as well.. but then it's "wait for the price drop". That's all well and good, but we're talking about the past and the present, not may happen if X changes.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Damn near 25 pages. Go play SFIV or something.
Oh, come off it. Microsoft does not control NBC. It has a small stake in it and somehow I don't think the gaming division 1UPing Sony is enough to make them pull strings. This conspiracy drivel is what I expect from a child. That's like claiming all MGM, Warner, etc movies can not be reviewed by IGN because they're owned by Fox. It's retarded.
So they're asking a designer who has only made games on the Playstation why the Playstation isn't so hot?
Sony basically paid the guys wages for x amount of years and MSNBC wants Jaffe to shit all over them. :|
Outcome of the article would be "PLAYSTATION DEV SHITS ALL OVER PS3!" or PLAYSTATION DEV IS BAISED TO PLAYSTATION!!"
Sony basically paid the guys wages for x amount of years and MSNBC wants Jaffe to shit all over them. :|
Outcome of the article would be "PLAYSTATION DEV SHITS ALL OVER PS3!" or PLAYSTATION DEV IS BAISED TO PLAYSTATION!!"
CrushDance
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For fucks sake. Can we please close this thread? This is beyond dumb now.
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Post of the thread?Oblivion said:
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RockmanWhore said:
Twisted Metal PS3 ... come on Jaffe ... toss us a bone.
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