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Jaffe:"Is this biased journalism? Or is it just me?"

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Amir0x said:
I think davidjaffe should probably accept that hope for the PS3 is fading, and is most likely gone. I mean that purely in terms of a viable success for Sony financially and in terms of having the biggest userbase or even close. The jury is out on whether killing HD-DVD actually makes Blu-Ray the dominate movie format in the upcoming years, and in that we may have to revisit the ultimate answer.

PS3 is the Gamecube. It is still a viable platform that can provide plenty of fun for fans and console-specific enthusiasts (hell, I loved the Gamecube), but it's not unfair to see it is a failure. A catastrophic failure, in the arenas this guy is talking about.
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Still picking one up for GoW 3, Ami?

:D
 
doomed1 said:
on the other hand, i have NO idea of why Jaffe would answer, know the answer, or even CARE about the answer. he's a developer, an employee. he's not about to tick off his mealticket, and it's silly to expect him to do so.
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He could've just emailed the guy back and explained that. Instead he riles up the hive with nonsense about media bias.

I don't think using the fact Microsoft are part of MSNBC was a good way of proving your point. As if Microsoft's gaming division has any sort of editorial control over a global news organization and uses it to control the masses into buying electronics.
 
Mike Works said:
for the record, i don't think the questions are "biased", but they definitely do have a negative slant to them- some of them fairly, some of them unfairly.

however, you cannot condemn the journalist at all at this point, because the only thing that matters is the end result (the article).
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I think Jaffe's biggest bone to pick with the questions was that it seemed like the the article was pretty much a done deal at that point and just wanted some quotes from David to give it some credibility. *shrugs*
 
What is so off base about asking the most prolific western developer of sony games about the failures of the Sony system?
 
EschatonDX said:
an entire dead goat
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I think you're doing it wrong. emceegrammr could tell you better than I though. The correct answer would be something like:

A goat's still-beating heart.

I assume that you're referencing Sony's backfiring GOW2 publicity stunt in London?
 
This was all a missed opportunity to ask David Jaffe tough questions about himself. Do you regret abandoning the blockbuster franchise, God of War, which you helped create? Is Twisted Metal still a relevant IP? You talked up your last release and didn't have much impact, what will be different this time around? How can your development house afford to not go multiplatform in this day and age? What lessons, if any, have you learned from Denis Dyack's behavior on message boards, blogs, and with gaming press surrounding the launch of his game Too Human?

That is the kind of interview I'd like to read.
 
f3niks said:
http://old-wizard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/virtualboy.jpg[IMG]
and
[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/compcloset/Sega32XBare.jpg[IMG]
Say hello. (And that's just in video games)[/QUOTE]
The comparison is not valid. The Virtual Boy is an afterthought and left 0 lasting impression in the grand scheme of things. The 32x did not cause Sega to lose an astronomical amount of marketshare (what, roughly 50%?).
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lawblob said:
To be fair to Sony, when they launched the PS3 the economy was going just fine. It is sort of ridiculous to bash the price of the system relative to the economy, because Sony can't help that. You could say in general the system should have been cheaper at launch, but it does irritate me that people now infer Sony should have seen the economy coming.
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$599 is and was too much for a system at that time as well as now. History has shown that. Wasn't there another system that sold for $599?

Sony has positioned themselves via Blu-Ray and CELL so they can't compete.
 
davidjaffe said:
Jesus dude. That is SO not what this is about. I am not defending or attacking Sony.

Maybe PS3=the cube, maybe not.

I don't actually give a rat's ass. I think there are enough folks who own it and play it that we can make a good biz out of being exclusive with Sony. We are happy to be. The more the merrier. I would LOVE more folks to have and play a PS3. I am hoping for it.

But this was never about me defending Sony.

It was/is about me thinking the interviewer's questions were-perhaps- off base.
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Well maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the reason you think they are off base is because they are an overly negative slant?

But how exactly do you describe the PS3's situation in terms of financial viability? EXCEPTING the last question about PS3 being "cobbled together" post launch, it all seems about as honest as one can get. Maybe you shouldn't color the questions that way, but I am finding it personally difficult to pose a question about PS3's lack of success in any way other than "daaaaaamn"
 
Honestly, I don't know what to contribute to this thread other than that I agree with most of what Jaffe had to say in this thread D:
 
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
 
voltron said:
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
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OMG what:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
bmf said:
I think you're doing it wrong. emceegrammr could tell you better than I though. The correct answer would be something like:

A goat's still-beating heart.

I assume that you're referencing Sony's backfiring GOW2 publicity stunt in London?
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Yep.
 
bmf said:
I am. I may keep it for SFIV - it's cheaper to use my 15th anniversary sticks and keep that than buy new sticks so I can play (the right way) on my 360.
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There's too many good exclusives on every system not to own them all, so good to hear.
 
voltron said:
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
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especially if you used the term yourself
 
Gotchaye said:
Assuming that MS' $1 bln write-off is all that they're going to have to do, then you're simply wrong.

RRoD didn't happen in a vacuum. It happened because they rushed their machine out in order to beat their competition to market. And that's been huge for them. What do you think the state of the race would be right now if the 360 had launched at the same time as the Wii, even if it had been more reliable? The 360 would have sales like the PS3's, and the Wii would have something like 66% of the market. Third parties would be struggling even more and Nintendo would be laughing even harder. The PS3 might have been marginally more successful.


Edit: Realistically the Wii would have been at closer to 55%.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14391410&postcount=1354

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The real world is a large place...
 
davidjaffe said:
Jesus dude. That is SO not what this is about. I am not defending or attacking Sony.

Maybe PS3=the cube, maybe not.

I don't actually give a rat's ass. I think there are enough folks who own it and play it that we can make a good biz out of being exclusive with Sony. We are happy to be. The more the merrier. I would LOVE more folks to have and play a PS3. I am hoping for it.

But this was never about me defending Sony.

It was/is about me thinking the interviewer's questions were-perhaps- off base.
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If he failed to use your quotes to bring up an alternative side then I would be with you.

If the actual article is completely off base and factually wrong then I would be with you.

If he insulted you or mocked you then I would be with you.

He asked you some questions in an email which you didn't agree with but giving you the full opportunity to respond to.

I fail to see where the harm is.
 
a Master Ninja said:
This was all a missed opportunity to ask David Jaffe tough questions about himself. Do you regret abandoning the blockbuster franchise, God of War, which you helped create? Is Twisted Metal still a relevant IP? You talked up your last release and didn't have much impact, what will be different this time around? How can your development house afford to not go multiplatform in this day and age? What lessons, if any, have you learned from Denis Dyack's behavior on message boards, blogs, and with gaming press surrounding the launch of his game Too Human?

That is the kind of interview I'd like to read.
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And those are valid but TOUGH questions which I would be happy to answer.
 
slanted questions?
Bias?

I'm sorry but those are perfectly legit questions. PS3 is more or less a failure in that it utterly failed to accomplish what Sony had planned/hoped for it to accomplish by now.

Now, maybe the improved features, stuff like HOME and Trophies, were planned all along, but the debacle of both the rumble situation and the nixing of Backwards compatibility are just embarrassing clusterfucks, esp when Sony claimed Rumble was "Last Gen" and then told us "Playstation has such a strong brand and library" that they felt BC should be mandatory thing , or something along those lines

How ANYONE can defend Sony at this point is beyond me. They just made terrible decision after terrible decisions......Riiiiiiddge Racer!
 
voltron said:
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
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Every little thing she does is magic
Everything she do just turns me on
Even though my life before was tragic
Now I know my love for her goes on

o_O
 
voltron said:
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
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Thought I was calling Shawn a troll until I said this was the best respone in the thread? That doesn't work out too well does it. :lol
 
tfur said:
Charts

The real world is a large place...
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Yes, and if correct, it seems to more properly display the minor differences between the 360 and PS3's initial sales. How can one be a complete failure with such a marginal difference?
 
Meier said:
The comparison is not valid. The Virtual Boy is an afterthought and left 0 lasting impression in the grand scheme of things. The 32x did not cause Sega to lose an astronomical amount of marketshare (what, roughly 50%?).
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Pardon me for not really paying too much attention to marketshare and the like but I look at it like this. The person that made the original statement about it about the PS3 being the wose consumer electrionics screw up ever, blew that shit waaaay out of proportion in my opinion. I provided two examples of systems/gadgets that I felt were worse and no matter how you slice it were complete failures. The PS3 on the otherhand helped Sony win the (possibly pointless) optical disk format war, which i think was their goal all along.
 
voltron said:
OMG

I just realised QFT stands for Quoted For Truth. Rather than Quit Fucking Trolling.


This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
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Oh fuck, I'll never be able to read QFT without immediately associating it with, "QUIT FUCKING TROLLING."

Damn you to hell good sir.
 
belvedere said:
There's too many good exclusives on every system not to own them all, so good to hear.
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Yeah. I've got a list of 'want to play's' for the system that haven't been enough motivation for me to pick one up yet. GoW will be enough. FFXIII would have been enough if it had stayed exclusive.
 
Amir0x said:
I think davidjaffe should probably accept that hope for the PS3 is fading, and is most likely gone. I mean that purely in terms of a viable success for Sony financially and in terms of having the biggest userbase or even close. The jury is out on whether killing HD-DVD actually makes Blu-Ray the dominate movie format in the upcoming years, and in that we may have to revisit the ultimate answer.

PS3 is the Gamecube. It is still a viable platform that can provide plenty of fun for fans and console-specific enthusiasts (hell, I loved the Gamecube), but it's not unfair to see it is a failure. A catastrophic failure, in the arenas this guy is talking about.
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I can... kind of see where you are coming from, but to be honest it seems like you've jumped the gun quite a bit. I feel way too uncomfortable declaring anything of that magnetitude at this point in the generation.

I am not going to make any broad claims like "The PS3 can still pull ahead and beat the 360 in this that and the other way" or anything like that. But I do think there is still a lot Sony can do to make the PS3 a success, probably not as successful as the 360, and definately not anywhere near as successful as the Wii - but I think it still has potential to improve on the relatively poor position it is sitting in. How it would do that though is beyond me, and whether or not it will I have no idea, just think it's too early to say it can't be pulled a bit further out of the well of despair.
 
I think the questions being asked are fair in light of Sony’s fall from market dominance. They seem a bit harsh but without reading the final article it’s pretty hard to say if there is a hidden “Fanboy” agenda or strong biased against Sony. We will just have to wait and see. You have to remember everyone likes a rag to riches (Apple) or a fall from dominance story (Sony). While the PS3 is far from a disaster it would be interesting to hear why certain decisions where made and how those decisions might have affected a developer with strong Sony ties like Jaffe.

Hopefully David will respond to the questions if he has some insight or can set the record straight. His candid responses are entertainment GOLD!
 
davidjaffe said:
if I had not said I was fine with TOUGH questions but not BIASED interviews that already had an agenda going in, you would have a point.
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After twelve pages, this argument is over and hardly anyone agrees with you on this particular point.
 
Bizzyb said:
slanted questions?
Bias?

I'm sorry but those are perfectly legit questions. PS3 is more or less a failure in that it utterly failed to accomplish what Sony had planned/hoped for it to accomplish by now.

Now, maybe the improved features, stuff like HOME and Trophies, were planned all along, but the debacle of both the rumble situation and the nixing of Backwards compatibility are just embarrassing clusterfucks, esp when Sony claimed Rumble was "Last Gen" and then told us "Playstation has such a strong brand and library" that they felt BC should be mandatory thing , or something along those lines

How ANYONE can defend Sony at this point is beyond me. They just made terrible decision after terrible decisions......Riiiiiiddge Racer!
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Eh, its still got great games and some nice exclusives. Only things that ever irked me with the PS3 was the high launch price and nixing of the BC in later models. Besides that I think it's a solid console and not a failure, at least in the game category. In the future hopefully Sony won't have a high launch price with their next console.
 
belvedere said:
Yes, and if correct, it seems to more properly display the minor differences between the 360 and PS3's initial sales. How can one be a complete failure with such a marginal difference?
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It isnt. People are just retarded.
 
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