mysteriousmage09
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Jay Wilson moving on from Diablo III
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Good God......
I don't know what decisions he made personally but i guess the buck stops with the Director.
Just to add some more stuff on Heavys post.
* Your damage output is solely dependent on your weapon's DPS.
* No charms
* No jewels
* Can't even put armor on Mercs/Followers like D2
* No runewords
* Crafting is terrible and has really no use at all, the results are low end garbage.
* No upgrading items
* No ethereal items, no items with multiple sockets in d2 you had up to 6 sockets on stuff
* Gems suck compared to D2
* No skills on weapons
* Always online DRM
* No LAN
* No Aussie servers (250 to 3000 ping for us)
* Online lag transferring over to graphics framerate
* Lag in a single player game
* Graphics settings don't do much
* Banning people that use graphics mods to make the game 'darker'
* Auction house
* No Server browser
* Can't manually relocate stats
* No Ladders
* COD style progression system with 'unlocks' at each level
* Can't build unique builds due to automated stats / skill unlocks.
* Error 37 (google it!)
* No randomizied areas
* No Uberbosses
* No reason to make another character of the same class
* No PvP
* Advertised and shown features being cut from the game (PvP, climbing up ladders)
* No Running
* No variety in armor looks
A sequel is meant to build on the foundations of it's predecessor, not regress in every way possible. I'm sure there is more stuff i have forgotten.
This is sad but true.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
You'll be seeing it more often, count on it.
Nah, I agree with him. Diablo III's skill system was fucking awesome.
Jay Wilson is gonna mess up the Blizzard DOTA game now!
Does anyone really care? I mean for real? This game was doomed from the start and everything about it sounded stupid.
Not to forget that everything Blizzard touches nowadays comes out half-assed.
Duxxy3
Member
Jay mohr.
Yeah, this was not where the primary issues were- they actually did get something good there.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Maybe for respec pansies who don't know how to build characters.
Anyone that remotely like RPGs will hate it.
Worst system ever.
RPGCrazied
Member
I really never had a problem with him, but if you look at some of the early videos and promises made, we really didn't get the same game. That said, I enjoyed it.
1. Changed Diablo 3 from loot based good arpg to crap based linear bad action game
2. After very humble interview with original Diablo 2 lead designer which he pointed that "some things in Diablo 3 He would do differently but it is a good game at the same time" Jay Wilson said "Fuck that loser" where:
a) it is not how people should behave
b) it was said to man who was responsible for Diablo 1 and 2 which was why even Diablo 3 sold more than 10mln.
c) at that time "oblivion effect" finally started to wear off and people finally started to see that Diablo 3 has nothing to do with either D1 or D2 and game is fundamentally broken.
And other Diablo 3 devs festival of stupidity didn't help either like " THIS GUY MADE HELLGATE LONDON"
Just look here:
and some comedy which fallowed
Well, it's not a system from a rpg yes, more a perk based system from an action game.
I don't dislike it tbh, it has some good things, but is as deep as a spit on the street.
scorpscarx
Member
Sounds like he's moving on entirely from Diablo 3. So if they ever make an expansion, he probably won't be involved? Maybe they can get someone actually capable on it! Might be decent!
This is what I thought, this is great news!
Subv3rsi0n
Member
This one gets me every time.
Skills from kinematic and GFX side are very good but all mechanics in them are just broken (weapon scaling, ultimate DPS, lack of stun, always hit etc)
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
wow you guys are brutal lol
mysteriousmage09
Member
Wow, I had forgotten exactly just how ridiculous the D3 team acted. Those comments are insecurity at it's finest.
theMrCravens
Member
Bah, come on.
The main reason people asks for respecs in ARPGs is because they'd rather spend their precious time playing the game instead of starting from scratch with the same freaking class.
Everyone just checks cookie cutter guides anyway.
undu
Member
I guess they'll make it F2P some time after the expansion, when it doesn't sell much anymore to reinvigorate the player-base and gain money from microtransactions, like it happened with Valve and Team Fortress 2.
On the whole Jay Wilson matter, I don't think it's only him that made the game have the MMO-like online dependency. Starcraft 2 got LAN removed, as well as being region-locked. This were all executive decisions, with no technical reason behind them.
Hopefully Blizzard execs reconsider their philosophies and start making more decisions thinking more about gamers and less about their pockets.
As they say "You reap what you sow." He could be humble as he should be, talk with community, acknowledge problems and for fucking christ sake he should not even thought about saying "Fuck that loser" to man who created his success.
Blizzard now should go Grinding Gear Games (Path of Exile) way talking about every aspect of game with community daily, taking suggestions and work on them even if this mean total overhaul of game.
Would be better than another Diablo/WoW/Starcraft expansion shit. Please please please please Blizzard.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I thought it was pretty bad because it left me with no sense of building up a character. On top of that the runes being poorly balanced and mostly uninteresting with only 1 or 2 being viable was another shortcoming for me. I really wasn't wowed by the skill system and it felt like a step down from games like Torchlight or Titan Quest.
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Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
David isnt exactly the best person to praise after diablo 2 he made hellgate which also was a shit game so he doesnt have a brilliant track record
NullPointer
Member
Aaaaaand we're done here.
TL was terrible
TL2's good but not everything this forum hypes it up to be.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
I have a good feeling that most of the design decisions were based around the auction house, and how they could maximize milking profits from players and transactions. Crippling the loot system for money. Disgusts me.
Hope destroying the franchise was worth the money they made from it, though. Goodluck even getting close to D3 sales with the expansions or D4. They'd have to completely rehaul this crap.
Hope destroying the franchise was worth the money they made from it, though. Goodluck even getting close to D3 sales with the expansions or D4. They'd have to completely rehaul this crap.
endresults
Member
Second post GAF with the assist.
Oh god, this is so bad that it actually made me laugh.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Doesn't matter what the hell his track record is since his departure, he is one of the major reasons the Diablo series was so praised and so successful. Without his help, Diablo 3 wouldn't have been near as anticipated as it was, and possibly wouldn't have been made, and the pieces of shit grasping for straws to insult him may not even have jobs right now if that were the case.
SnakeswithLasers
Member
Now we know you're trolling.
Treemonkeys
Member
Probably not an unnamed project, if he said where he was going people would just start talking about how is is going to fuck up that universe next. Probably was asked to leave to IMO.
The Gipper
Banned
Diablo 2 was designed well enough that there was a balance between punishing a mistake in character building by making it necessary to make a new one (therefore enabling a feeling of consequence, meaningful choice and uniqueness to your character build that's completely absent from Diablo 3), and making it really easy to rush a new one to about level 80 so that it's not a pain in the ass. Much ebtter than infinite free respecs.
Of course Diablo 2 eventually added respecs too, but it was still a lot harder to do it more than three times.
So is this game a trainwreck because it's not the sad Diablo 2 fans' dream or because it's a real trainwreck?
What are the sales of Diablo 3 so far? How many people still playing online (regulars)? That's the only way to mesure up the "trainwreck". My gut feeling is that it mostly disappoint the hardcore old fans, unless I am proven wrong by sales reports of course.
What are the sales of Diablo 3 so far? How many people still playing online (regulars)? That's the only way to mesure up the "trainwreck". My gut feeling is that it mostly disappoint the hardcore old fans, unless I am proven wrong by sales reports of course.
NullPointer
Member
Diablo3 is a great game btw, and I think the rune/skill system was a stroke of genius. Its got its issues though.
But Jay should be the very last one surprised by any of these comments.
But Jay should be the very last one surprised by any of these comments.
What I really hated of Diablo 3 is that you never hit with your weapon. You get a really good weapon and what do you do with it? You cleave all day erry day. I could put a freaking blueberry patch branch in my arm that my barbarian would do the same exact animation and look the same. Made the whole equipement a joke.
You are suppose to use skills a smart way, no simply use them all day. Who the hell used his melee attack in Diablo 3? Even for the first mobs in normal you have a skill for that.
I stated earlier that they did. Quite a while ago, actually. Battle.net is pretty much being redesigned from the ground up for Heart of the Swarm.
After the way Dustin Browder and Mike Morhaime were embarrassed at IPL5, you better believe it.
My guess is that it's steadily declining month-to-month, which is why Jay Wilson is being removed.
The Gipper
Banned
Why are sale numbers your measuring post for whether it's a good game or not though? The biggest issues with the game don't even crop up until the endgame, which most casual fans probably never even got to because they beat normal and were like OK cool.
Or not cool because the story was garbage and the atmosphere nonexistent, but you know what I mean.
SnakeswithLasers
Member
Whether anything is disappointing is a completely subjective question.
If I asked an accountant who worked at Blizzard whether D3 was a trainwreck they'd give me a completely different response than someone who was a franchise devotee than someone who picked it up on a lark.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I won't be as vindictive as some others here, but even if all the issues weren't his decision-making, he's still responsible for a lot of the bad. I think it was in an AMA where he admitted that it was his overruling that made it so you didn't get rares from bosses on your first run in difficulties beyond normal. Just an idiotic move that reflects his poor design skills.
The absolute waffling about on runes mere months before release (what we ended up with is probably for the worse), PvP that wasn't delivered on in a timely manner (see quote about how the game would be a failure if it wasn't out by the end of 2012), etc.
Fuck that loser was just icing on the shit cake.
Good riddance that he's off the project. Someone else might be able to save it with an expansion, but if that doesn't do it, I'm almost certainly done with the game for good.
Now don't get me wrong, the game was competent, but merely competent isn't good enough to be part of the Blizzard pedigree and live up to the expectations of fans salivating for over a decade waiting on a sequel. This is evidenced by the fact that many real issues don't manifest until Inferno/endgame, by which point you've probably sunk at least 60 or so hours into it.
The absolute waffling about on runes mere months before release (what we ended up with is probably for the worse), PvP that wasn't delivered on in a timely manner (see quote about how the game would be a failure if it wasn't out by the end of 2012), etc.
Fuck that loser was just icing on the shit cake.
Good riddance that he's off the project. Someone else might be able to save it with an expansion, but if that doesn't do it, I'm almost certainly done with the game for good.
Now don't get me wrong, the game was competent, but merely competent isn't good enough to be part of the Blizzard pedigree and live up to the expectations of fans salivating for over a decade waiting on a sequel. This is evidenced by the fact that many real issues don't manifest until Inferno/endgame, by which point you've probably sunk at least 60 or so hours into it.
Well now that he's gone, maybe people will play 107 and suddenly think it's good just from the placebo of his absence, just like how many things have been changed since May but people still parrot as the truth, no matter how many times it's been refuted.
Remember how you posted half of this list in the PVP thread recently posted here and it was basically shot down, point by point, as having since been changed or never going to happen? Yeah.
ps: Auction House is far superior to trading. I have no free time to haggle over bullshit. Let me find what I want, and you can buy what I sell or don't.
Case in point.
Remember how you posted half of this list in the PVP thread recently posted here and it was basically shot down, point by point, as having since been changed or never going to happen? Yeah.
ps: Auction House is far superior to trading. I have no free time to haggle over bullshit. Let me find what I want, and you can buy what I sell or don't.
In diablo 3 they didn't include respec. They erased all progression on character side. Each character is the same. That is worse than respec.
And no most of people playing were trying to play their own characters trying to build their own builds. Sure for PvP there were a lot of people using CC but PvE was mostly own builds.
Also Diablo didn't change anything in that regard. Diablo 3 has even more problems with CC builds.
No patch changed fundamental problems with game, AH is shit without ladder system and because something can't be changed doesn't make it better is is still bad design. Those are all facts.
You can like it as much as you want but it doesn't change the fact that most of people think it is shit game with valid reasons behind that beside "hurr durr graphic sux".
It's good action game, it's bad loot based arpg.
Officerrob
Banned
7 years? 7 years working on Diablo 3? Yikes!
Don't you know? You're not allowed to compliment Diablo 3 on GAF. Unless you're talking shit about the game or the blasphemers who made it, you are not allowed to speak.
Quick, edit your post, or they will find you.
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