Krauser Kat
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What!? so now she has a bad personality for thinking she is hot, or responding to a boy friend with a hot picture when he asks. Thats the same thing as slut shaming.
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Jennifer Lawrence talks about being violated
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What!? so now she has a bad personality for thinking she is hot, or responding to a boy friend with a hot picture when he asks. Thats the same thing as slut shaming.
Or she could use her status as a means of bringing this issue to the public's attention so that future victims of doxing don't have to live in shame.
Omegasquash
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Totally does, in my book. Guys are lucky as shit when they've got a girl that's down for sending hot selfies.
faceless007
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Yeah women who enjoy their own sexuality a lot are just despicable. It's OK if they enjoy it a little that way you can preserve the illusion that they're pure just for you, but if they enjoy it too much that's just gross.
If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm and your slut-shaming is abhorrent.
Exhibit 9823093 of the cruel and misogynistic paradox that infects the way our culture treats female sexuality: It wants them to only be as sexual as men think they should be allowed to be.
PhoenixDark
Banned
So because she hasn't spoken out on the issue before, she's a hypocrite and/or shouldn't be taken seriously? I'm going to assume she (like most people) were opposed to the idea of doxing before it hit entertainment news pages. Plenty of people don't become full advocates for a variety of issues until they impact them personally, I'm not going to fault her for not speaking out. That's a petty argument that can be applied to most people on a variety of issues.
Personally..I saw the pics, I looked at them, I acknowledge it was wrong. I have also downloaded things illegally on the internet and a variety of other shit that I can admit wasn't "right," yet I wouldn't consider myself a thief. Do I think I violated Lawrence by looking at her nudes? Yea, probably. But that's the #duality of the internet I suppose.
I doubt both her or her PR were exactly ready for the type of response nudes would illicit. Regardless of how you feel about sexuality being portrayed, your nudes being leaked probably isn't something you want to public scrutinizing over.
Kano on the Phone
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Huh? In what way is she taking the low road? Why isn't bringing the whole thing to peoples' attention and making people more aware of it of value? Who the fuck are you to tell a victim of a crime how to deal with it?
So many questions.
"Honey, I appreciate that you took 50 nude photos for me, but that 51st just makes you look like a whore."
I feel bad for her because I can understand that it must feel like crap especially when it comes to friends and family looking at your pictures out of curiosity.
At the same time though...I viewed, saved and will continue to look at the pics, and any other celebrity leaks (or non-celebrity) in the future if I find the person attractive.
At the same time though...I viewed, saved and will continue to look at the pics, and any other celebrity leaks (or non-celebrity) in the future if I find the person attractive.
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Deleted member 1235
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while what happened is shitty all round.... I still can't help but people calling it a sexual crime and a sexual violation are equating it with and actual sexual crime involving physical danger.
I'm not 'victim blaming' but I don't think having your nudies nicked off the internet is in any way comparable to what a rape victim has to deal with and people comparing the two are bugging me.
is what I'm talking about.
The ones claiming the nudes 'deserve' to be splashed across the internet are a good number of degrees less horrible than the people advocating rape for revealing clothing. Both are still shitty, but one is quite obviously less shitty.
feel like these subjects are all bullshit shrill buzzwords.
I'm not 'victim blaming' but I don't think having your nudies nicked off the internet is in any way comparable to what a rape victim has to deal with and people comparing the two are bugging me.
is what I'm talking about.
The ones claiming the nudes 'deserve' to be splashed across the internet are a good number of degrees less horrible than the people advocating rape for revealing clothing. Both are still shitty, but one is quite obviously less shitty.
feel like these subjects are all bullshit shrill buzzwords.
Kano on the Phone
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Gross.
It's a violation. The shittiness of the two people you mentioned isn't as far apart as you seem to think it is.
flyinpiranha
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This is bad thing that happened but I think some good has come of it. I actually haven't seen them (believe me or not) and the main reason I haven't is because they've spoken up like this. It might be age, it might be scruples, it might be a multitude of things combined I don't link subconsciously happening, but on the conscious level I haven't looked because of what these actresses have said about the way it makes them feel.
Will I ever look? I don't know, the internet is the internet. For now I have no real inclination to go after them though.
Will I ever look? I don't know, the internet is the internet. For now I have no real inclination to go after them though.
Basically my thoughts.
Her outrage is warranted but she also put herself in the position for this to happen. Until people start wising up to this specific part I don't really care if they get exposed outside of the fact it's another way we as a society are losing more of our privacy.
There was a considerable outcry about IsAnyoneUp when it was around. People always got upset about this kind of stuff when it has happened. Are you mad because you love the leaks or what? Maybe a distributor? idk man
Resident_UA
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Still amazed at the people blaming the celebs. I still hear people say "if you didn't want nudes leaked you shouldn't have taken any pics, Its your fault" or that they are celebs and should be used to having no privacy.
Just the sheer idiocy. Just look at some of the comments in that article, jesus christ;
To be fair I would never upload anything questionable to iCloud and I'm not even famous...
I don't even allow iCloud to access pictures of my cats
"I will do as I please with this person despite how they feel and the emotional turmoil it brings them because I want this".
You may not be physically violating her, but you are still violating her. Disgusting.
Unless you forgot to turn off iCloud autobackup, which dumps your pictures to iCloud without mentioning it. Some people are less savvy than others.
Resident_UA
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It does ask you if you want to enable it. I would say that Apple has pretty crappy method of telling you, but I always triple check.
The internet's a scary place, and if you're a high profile celebrity, you are infinitely more vulnerable to have your privacy invaded.
If you don't want to have it backfire at you, just don't upload sensitive material to the internet. Once it's out there, there's not really much you can do.
If you don't want to have it backfire at you, just don't upload sensitive material to the internet. Once it's out there, there's not really much you can do.
Bobby Roberts
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My eyes rolled so hard at this post
Porcile
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More what I'm saying is that as a person in the public eye, I doubt it's an image she herself wants project to the public because ultimately the world at large will reflect negatively on the situation, just as it would if George Clooney took 200 pictures of his dick. I highly doubt she's the one who really wanted to churn up further criticisms of Hollywood stars as vain and image-driven, and that will ultimately cause her a certain amount of embarrassment. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't really know what she's like.
I personally don't care what people do in the bedroom, but at the end of the day, there is a certain underlying, self-centered motive behind taking pictures of oneself. You can turn the camera on anything, but many choose to turn it on themselves to varying degrees of productivity. Why? It's an interesting point of discussion.
I personally don't care what people do in the bedroom, but at the end of the day, there is a certain underlying, self-centered motive behind taking pictures of oneself. You can turn the camera on anything, but many choose to turn it on themselves to varying degrees of productivity. Why? It's an interesting point of discussion.
JumpJeff84
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There were HUNDREDS of pics of her leaked? I had no idea...
The Faceless Master
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how many nude selfies do you have to take to become a whore? there doesn't seem to be a clear answer in the thread... some people have said she took too many so i'd like to know where the line is...
No, and fuck you for trying to get after her. She didn't ask to get doxed, and she didn't ask anyone to give a shit about what she says. But since she did and they do, she's in a unique position to speak up. Anyone trying to rob her of that right is a real piece of shit.
Christ, she's a celebrity so she can't speak up? Are you kidding me? Grow up.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I'm certain that it's wrong to stand still and remain quiet on this issue. I'm glad that Lawrence spoke up and gave us quite a mouthful of what she really thinks.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I thought it was like only two or three pictures.
SquiddyCracker
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Tech illiteracy is really what's to blame.
We need to not only educate future generations when it comes to technology, but also older ones.
Bobby Roberts
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Maybe I'm heartless, but I sort of don't really care. These are people who are paid excessive sums of money for living explicitly public lives. Furthermore, if you know people are trying to find this sort of thing, then why would you both take nude photos of yourself and then allow them to be uploaded to iCloud? You may retort, "Well, privacy!". Well, again, these celebrities make their living by living in the public eye.
Porcile
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If short, snarky comments, taking fragments of my post out of context are your way of engaging in discussion, then I have no desire to engage with you on any meaningful level.
I'd say that a celebrity's right to privacy is considerably diminished, not completely lost. (so the nude selfies would still qualify as an invasion of privacy)
I agree with this. I found it really strange that people all of a sudden started to REALLY give a shit about this once it happened to her. Calling it a sex crime. Writing articles about. Hashtag brigade came out in full force. This has happened to people before. People that have had videos released of their most private and intimate moments yet no one really cared all that much.
But this time...
I, of course, sympathize but at the same time it can be really eye-opening when you track just when people start giving a shit about things.
After a while the amount doesn't matter. I mean 4 years is a long while so I can understand how so many could have been collected. I have hundreds of nudes saved on my computer. At no point do you stop and start wondering how many you've sent.
I've lost track of who has pictures of my penis quite honestly.
sexting as a whole seems as a bad idea, no matter if you are a celebrity, horny teenager or anybody else. If technology doesn't fail you then the human factor might.
maquiladora
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Ingueferroque
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Bobby Roberts
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Your post is entirely in context. I don't have to quote the whole thing, and my decision not to do so doesn't misrepresent your words, which are still there, above, where anyone can read.
You're trying to equivocate while maintaining your grasp on a fucked position, and the explanations as to why that position is fucked have been laid out in the thread (speaking of context). If you wanted to take those opinions and viewpoints into account, you would have. You still can. Hopefully you do.
The "interesting avenue of discussion" you're trying to lead people towards at the end of your last post isn't very interesting at all, either. She's a young person, a young pretty person, and a young pretty famous person. All your musings on what that could possibly mean are a) facile (it's obvious what that means) and b) a "nice" way to further suggest this situation is a result (and not altogether unwarranted in your opinion) of her own failings as a person, which is just a variation on the callous, victim-blaming theme that got you in trouble in the first place.
To spell it out - simply saying "I don't care what happens in the bedroom" isn't enough to wipe away the fact you obviously do as your primary concern as it appears in this thread is to judge Jennifer Lawrence on her morality. The end of the post I'm now responding to is simply a means to redirect back to that track.
The Real Abed
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Jennifer Lawrence seems to be the celeb everyone talks about when the whole seedy celeb nude underbelly is talked about. And I'm pretty sure it's because she's the "it" actress these days. If this happened say 10 years ago it'd be some other actress. And in a few years it would have been someone else.
Also, I love JLaw. ❤️
Also, I love JLaw. ❤️
Orbis Tabula
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She probably didn't want to project an image of being self-centered. Perhaps that's why she didn't release the pictures.
She didn't take pictures of herself because she wanted to look at her own tits. She can do that without a camera. She did it because she was in a long distance relationship and her boyfriend was horny. It's pretty straight-forward and was mentioned both in the OP and multiple times in this thread. It's not an interesting discussion as to why she took these pictures. It's a closed question that's well understood. It wasn't out of vanity or self-obsession or self-centeredness. You want to know why she turned the camera on herself? Listen to her. I don't understand how anyone could be in this thread and not get that.
The Lamonster
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This confused me as well, but I get that she wants it to be "her choice." It's almost like asking "if you like sex, then why don't you like rape?"
Morrigan Stark
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This post can't be real. Holy shit, dude. By your own logic, you shouldn't feel sympathy if a paparazzi took the pics either, because the celeb "lost their right to privacy" and it's "part of the social contract". Also, LOL @ "choosing to become famous", like most celebs really had full control over that? Some actors never make it, others do, it's not exactly a predictable scenario. But even if it were fully a choice, it's still an asinine thing to say. Everyone has a right to privacy, FFS.
How the fuck? Are you for real?
Anton Sugar
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He's right, though.
You state you don't care but then directly contradict that statement by saying that she is self-centered due to...what she does in the bedroom.
faceless007
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It really is telling how many of people's thinly-veiled criticisms disguised as "questions" or "just things to think about" are answered by her in the very fucking article and yet these guys see fit to insist that the real answers must be something else. Not only she does not have a right to privacy, she apparently doesn't even have a right to her own agency.
See normally something this silly would obviously be sarcasm, but the thread has others saying this sort of thing and meaning it so it gets tough.
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