I spent all day in the #30FPSBethesdagate thread. pls understand
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Jennifer Lawrence talks about being violated
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I spent all day in the #30FPSBethesdagate thread. pls understand
Anton Sugar
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Can't tell if we're being Aku'd or if this is more insanity.
Morrigan Stark
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I see. Uh, good job on all the bites I guess. :\
The Lamonster
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She says right there in the article that making money is not worth the embarrassment and feeling of violation.
captainnapalm
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She's pretty much right. There's really nothing positive or good about a culture that voraciously devours someone's stolen naked pictures in an online feeding frenzy. It's all a bit tawdry and pathetic at the end of the day.
But she will move on and recover from this and will probably be able to joke about eventually. So people have seen her naked. It's not the end of the world.
But she will move on and recover from this and will probably be able to joke about eventually. So people have seen her naked. It's not the end of the world.
Absolutely. In the past when I was younger, I absolutely contributed to this sort of thing too - like, my horniness would look past any murky moral or ethical concerns and just view whatever pics came my way if they were above age and hot. As I've grown older and began to more rationally apply the logic of this scenario to what some of these images actually mean, I began to back off entirely when consent was clearly not given. I have sisters. I have a mother. And I am also a human being who doesn't need either of those qualifiers to be true to realize how profoundly fucked up it is that our insatiable celeb worship means that for some people it's OK that their privacy is violated just because they're famous and get paid a lot (or that it's ever OK, whether you're famous or not).
How much a celebrity gets paid and how famous they are and how much they acknowledge that both are "part of the job" does not ever make it suddenly OK that these individuals cannot even carry on any relationship - long-distance or not - if it means nude photos are going to be involved at some point. Taking nude selfies of oneself and nude shots of the ones you love is an incredibly common act and it's people at their most emotionally vulnerable. How many among us wouldn't have done something that they logically might understand is not exactly the smartest when love is involved? It's a tale as old as time.
People's insane desire to see anybody nude no matter what the circumstances involved are is not a good excuse to not care that their privacy is violated. It's not a good excuse to say "they should have known better." The victim is not the one who should have known better; the criminals are. There is every reason to feel that when you send a photo privately to your significant other that the content of those images remain private. I have more computer knowledge than the average curve and know how to really keep my stuff private. But whether I did or not, I should not have to fear being penalized at the national level whenever I send a nude photo to someone I love, just because I am famous and might not know how best to protect my privacy.
This shit has got to stop, really. It won't stop, but anyone defending the practice really needs to reevaluate what type of person they are. It's sick.
These people are for real. That's the sad thing.
The Strokes
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That's fucked up. If this had happened to me and friends were coming over and be like 'Oh Yeah I saw your pictures' well Fuck them I'm not talking to them again.
I did kind of wonder if her friends and family chose to looks at the photos. On some level I think that she appears so flippant that they assumed she wouldn't care all that much.
But she cared. She cared a ton.
Damn. This is why I need to start reading the articles.
CountAntonius
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It's really stupid how this seems to be on by default. Turns out most of my iphone having family had this on and didn't even know about it.
faceless007
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I would assume that the public persona she cultivates in PR interviews and press junkets is a bit different than who she actually is to her close family and friends and hopefully they would know that. What a strange assumption.
Gray Matter
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I guess this is confirmation that the photos are real.
I saw them, but I wasn't looking for them or interested in seeing them, they just popped up on my twitter feed one day. At the time I thought they were fake.
I saw them, but I wasn't looking for them or interested in seeing them, they just popped up on my twitter feed one day. At the time I thought they were fake.
Who knows really. She could be exactly the same. Anyways, just something that crossed my mind.
This.
CadetMahoney
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So these where hacked on iCloud?
Apple denies it (or say they're not liable for nothing) and nothing happens to them, but I bet if it was a smaller company they'd have a group lawsuit filed against them or something.
Apple denies it (or say they're not liable for nothing) and nothing happens to them, but I bet if it was a smaller company they'd have a group lawsuit filed against them or something.
captainnapalm
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Yeah, the notion that being famous means this sort of thing is fair game is ridiculous. The same principle should apply whether you're famous or not.
As for the she should have known better thing, well I doubt Lawrence is very technically clued up on cloud security. Certainly now celebrities know they will have to guard images like this very closely indeed.
Brian Griffin
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I agree with everything she says in that article and probably will agree with everything she says in the full version. So glad she didn't apologize or insist they are fake or some shit because she did nothing wrong. She's damn strong and standing up for herself sends a great message.
I'm with her that its a violation, and I have every sympathy for what she's describing going through there: having to contain her anger when loved ones looked at it and then told her, having to make that phone call to her dad etc.
I'm not so sure I want to see Hollywood power cause governments to over-legislate though.
I'm pretty sure stealing this information and these images is a crime covered under existing statute. Trading and selling that stolen stuff could probably be prosecuted under it too.
When we get to the tabloid-gossip-mag style sharing that went on in the aftermath on 4chan, Reddit and Twitter: I don't agree with it, in a human nature sense, but I DO expect that would happen once images are out there. Jennifer Lawrence is not alone, many normal women (and men!), who don't have the comfort of her millions, have experienced having their nudes out online. Sometimes there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Which is why I'm glad she ends the interview saying she'll be able to move on whether the perpetrators are caught or not. Incidentally, I do believe that "revenge porn" should be punishable by law, if proven, but that's not what this was. It was theft, pure and simple.
I don't expect the moderators of tumblr, reddit or even 4chan to be held liable for the impossible task of moderating tens of millions of posts. I don't want to see mass internet censorship brought in or site owners sued to oblivion because of their stupid, horny users or something. The blame lies with poor cloud security - be that on the part of Apple or on the individual users (if passwords were socially engineered). The blame lies with the criminals who stole their private things and sold them on a dingy internet back-alley.
I wouldn't wish what happened on her on anyone, and I don't believe she will ever feel anything resembling "good" about it. That said, I'd like to hope that in old age she is able to laugh at the absurdity of the day(s) in which her boobs near caused an internet melt down. The world is crazy!
I'm not so sure I want to see Hollywood power cause governments to over-legislate though.
I'm pretty sure stealing this information and these images is a crime covered under existing statute. Trading and selling that stolen stuff could probably be prosecuted under it too.
When we get to the tabloid-gossip-mag style sharing that went on in the aftermath on 4chan, Reddit and Twitter: I don't agree with it, in a human nature sense, but I DO expect that would happen once images are out there. Jennifer Lawrence is not alone, many normal women (and men!), who don't have the comfort of her millions, have experienced having their nudes out online. Sometimes there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Which is why I'm glad she ends the interview saying she'll be able to move on whether the perpetrators are caught or not. Incidentally, I do believe that "revenge porn" should be punishable by law, if proven, but that's not what this was. It was theft, pure and simple.
I don't expect the moderators of tumblr, reddit or even 4chan to be held liable for the impossible task of moderating tens of millions of posts. I don't want to see mass internet censorship brought in or site owners sued to oblivion because of their stupid, horny users or something. The blame lies with poor cloud security - be that on the part of Apple or on the individual users (if passwords were socially engineered). The blame lies with the criminals who stole their private things and sold them on a dingy internet back-alley.
I wouldn't wish what happened on her on anyone, and I don't believe she will ever feel anything resembling "good" about it. That said, I'd like to hope that in old age she is able to laugh at the absurdity of the day(s) in which her boobs near caused an internet melt down. The world is crazy!
Twilight Gap
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great post, groot.
Anton Sugar
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YesNOnoNOYes
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So much respect for her for speaking up on the matter. It must be very hard to do, seeing that the topic is so recent and still affecting her in very raw manners :<
I wish people wouldn't be so casual about admitting or downloading others' leaked nude picz :<
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it's so shitty and demoralizing, when people just assume other human beings as fodders for porn without regards for proper consent or basic human decency.
I wish people wouldn't be so casual about admitting or downloading others' leaked nude picz :<
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it's so shitty and demoralizing, when people just assume other human beings as fodders for porn without regards for proper consent or basic human decency.
Kiever Sher
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Girl I know was fucking furious at the ''sex crime'' part. I just keep my mouth shut and made non committal head movements, I damn sure wasn't going to risk saying anything, just in case.
Cruise Missile
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It's good to see that Amir0x has improved his moral standing. Genuinely.
As they should. For 99.9999999% of people automatic backups are a huge win. 40 pictures of your kid at christmas and then you drop your phone and break it the next day, you will be pretty glad the iCloud backed up those photos automatically. I seriously hope you didnt tell your family to turn it off.
Furious how?
CountAntonius
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Nah. I told them if they knew their pics were saved to the cloud and if they didn't want that to be the case to disable it.
Silly. When they break their phone and lose a ton of photos, I trust you will be in line to apologize to them for suggesting this.
CountAntonius
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They know the risk and not everyone turned it off. My point was a lot of people don't even know this exists. They should and make the choice accordingly.
I never really understood the attention nude celebrities get, whether it's a sex tape or photos. I would think this is the only source of seeing a naked human being. You'll get a lot more out of viewing high quality porn meant for anyone interested than viewing what was meant to be private photos that are of low quality. I also find it really messed up that people were trading naked photos of people like they're trading cards.
The only thing worth while about all this is the fact that people will become more aware of cloud settings and companies will work harder to be more secured. It's just sad that it took such a big leak to get moving towards better security.
The only thing worth while about all this is the fact that people will become more aware of cloud settings and companies will work harder to be more secured. It's just sad that it took such a big leak to get moving towards better security.
Kiever Sher
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She was mad because she thought that is was equated to rape I guess, she went on a bit about it. Just to be clear I heard it from her and just checked Lawrence said it in the article before posting so I dunno if she has the grounds for her fury. She has worked with rape/abuse victims in the past so I guess that probably affected her thoughts. She did say the leaks were fucked up but wasn't happy with the wording.
I sort of agree with her. Maybe call it a CYBER-sex crime or something.
I can agree with your friend. I didn't like the wording very much either. Sexual violation and sex crime doesn't seem right at all. That would make everyone who viewed it a criminal. It's more of just an invasion of privacy done by those who originally stole/leaked the pictures.
faceless007
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Her sexuality was used and exploited without her consent and she feels violated as a result. It was a sexual violation. Sex crime, though, probably not.
Firmus_Anguis
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I'm ashamed to admit, I'm one of the people who couldn't resist the urge to look when the initial leak happened. My curiosity got the better of me. Reading the part where she said she cried while trying to write a statement really got to me. You sometimes get so desensitized with actors/actresses because of all of the different roles that they play, you almost forget that they're people too. I'm glad she's doing better though.
That would definitely be my impulse.
Given that unasked for voyeurism (peeping Toms) is generally considered a sex crime, as are things like incest, public exhibitionism, and a variety of other non-rape crimes, I don't have much problem with denoting it as a sex crime.
Sex crime is just a phrase denoting that a crime has a sexual component to it. It's not synonymous with rape. I'm not sure why people would think it was.
Brian Griffin
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It's probably the voyeur/forbidden fruit aspect of it. Porn's purpose is to be seen and jerked off to. Private nude pics are usually meant for one other person's eyes and so the lookers find excitement in the fact that they aren't supposed to be seeing it.
PflargBlarg
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I originally thought something like this, but consider the following.
If these were naked pics of kids, distributed, etc. it would be a sex crime (cyber sex crime, whatever) because kids are not mature enough to be able to consent. JLaw didn't consent to distribution either, so you would think that would also be a sex crime.
Yes, it's different than the kids because JLaw's pictures were TAKEN with consent, but they certainly weren't distributed with her consent. I don't see a difference in the two situations with regards to distribution.
EDIT: Also what besada said. Sex crime doesn't equal rape, it covers many different situations.
I find it a little strange we immediately jump to rape when talking about 'sex crimes'. There is more then just one kind of sex crime, and different levels of severity as well. It isn't like all violent crimes are just straight up murder.
Anyways, I agree with Jennifer Lawrence here. I think the biggest problem here is we don't place enough pressure as a society on males to have an iota of self control when it comes to sex. It will take a lot of work to get over this "boys will be boys" bullshit though.
Anyways, I agree with Jennifer Lawrence here. I think the biggest problem here is we don't place enough pressure as a society on males to have an iota of self control when it comes to sex. It will take a lot of work to get over this "boys will be boys" bullshit though.
faceless007
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I wasn't referring to the hack, I was more referring to the Gamerloid's question of whether viewing the stolen photos constitutes a crime itself, since I'm not sure that's explicitly illegal. The closest analogue is probably possession of child pornography but that's usually specific to CP. But I could be wrong and I readily concede that if it is a crime, it is a sex crime.
SparkPeople
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Well you said it when you were identifying them: 'stolen photos'.
The act of stealing the photos and the act of dissemination are two separate things. They're both illegal.
You could also argue that stealing her credentials also constitutes identity fraud, but that's a stretch.
The real question is, how do you get rid of stolen photos on the internet? That Beyonce shot at the superbowl looking all crazy-like was deemed illegal by her publisher, but it's still everywhere.
When the Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian tapes were leaking there wasn't much sympathy on GAF, if any at all. Even when those tapes are referenced these days it's usually to say that they were intentionally leaked by the ladies, their parents, or that Kardashian is immobile in bed. No one was talking about her being violated; they were being called 'whores', 'dumb', 'attentions seekers' etc. But now that Jennifer Lawrence, girl next door, intelligent, articulate, talented actress who half of GAF wants to marry, everyone is jumping on their high horse as moral crusaders.
Thanks to the mods for taking care of all the fucking victim blamers on the first page.
Name some names. Where are the quotes? GAF isn't a hivemind and your post is a bad one.
Name some names. Where are the quotes? GAF isn't a hivemind and your post is a bad one.
As vague as post is, I agree that this tendency was there. And yep, that was horrible. But what is your point?
Wasn't the Kim video produced for release? Like that recent one with the teen mom?
I honestly forgot but I remember it having graphics and everything.
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