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When the Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian tapes were leaking there wasn't much sympathy on GAF, if any at all. Even when those tapes are referenced these days it's usually to say that they were intentionally leaked by the ladies, their parents, or that Kardashian is immobile in bed. No one was talking about her being violated; they were being called 'whores', 'dumb', 'attentions seekers' etc. But now that Jennifer Lawrence, girl next door, intelligent, articulate, talented actress who half of GAF wants to marry, everyone is jumping on their high horse as moral crusaders.

At this point it's pretty much understood that the Kardashian video was purposely put out there, possibly even marketed by her mom. And look how well it's paid off for her. But the turn in public opinion, especially several tabloid sites, over this issue has been hilariously hypocritical. Gawker in particular has time and again refused to take down private pictures and videos, hell there was even a specific journalist for Jezebel who went on a tirade about how this was some horrific demonstration of misogyny, and yet she previously wrote an article discussing the Anthony Weiner pics, and blaming him for taking them in the first place. It's always been wrong, but nobody gives a fuck when it's a celebrity, as dehumanized and godlike as they are in common pop culture.
 
When the Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian tapes were leaking there wasn't much sympathy on GAF, if any at all. Even when those tapes are referenced these days it's usually to say that they were intentionally leaked by the ladies, their parents, or that Kardashian is immobile in bed. No one was talking about her being violated; they were being called 'whores', 'dumb', 'attentions seekers' etc. But now that Jennifer Lawrence, girl next door, intelligent, articulate, talented actress who half of GAF wants to marry, everyone is jumping on their high horse as moral crusaders.

The reprehensible part is how people acted with the Hilton and Kardashian sex tapes.
 
When the Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian tapes were leaking there wasn't much sympathy on GAF, if any at all. Even when those tapes are referenced these days it's usually to say that they were intentionally leaked by the ladies, their parents, or that Kardashian is immobile in bed. No one was talking about her being violated; they were being called 'whores', 'dumb', 'attentions seekers' etc. But now that Jennifer Lawrence, girl next door, intelligent, articulate, talented actress who half of GAF wants to marry, everyone is jumping on their high horse as moral crusaders.

It's been over a decade since Paris's tape leaked and almost as long for Kim's. Culture has changed. I know I have changed. Me ten (or even five) years ago would have been all over Lawrence's pics.
 
I looked at them too but got bored after scrolling endless pages. Took more photos than a toll-both camera. It's too bad for her but I don't think this will damage her career.

Did they ever catch they guy/gal that did this? I have not looked much into this mess after seeing the thread on gaf, just looked at the pics. Pretty crazy stuff, I've been careful with all the clouds things before but I'm going to be more mindful now. Honestly, in this age it's almost impossible to keep private things and information since it's so convenient. I'm living like it's 2006 and there's more information about me than I'm comfortable with.
 
Her sexuality was used and exploited without her consent and she feels violated as a result. It was a sexual violation. Sex crime, though, probably not.

Given that unasked for voyeurism (peeping Toms) is generally considered a sex crime, as are things like incest, public exhibitionism, and a variety of other non-rape crimes, I don't have much problem with denoting it as a sex crime.

Sex crime is just a phrase denoting that a crime has a sexual component to it. It's not synonymous with rape. I'm not sure why people would think it was.

I originally thought something like this, but consider the following.

If these were naked pics of kids, distributed, etc. it would be a sex crime (cyber sex crime, whatever) because kids are not mature enough to be able to consent. JLaw didn't consent to distribution either, so you would think that would also be a sex crime.
Yes, it's different than the kids because JLaw's pictures were TAKEN with consent, but they certainly weren't distributed with her consent. I don't see a difference in the two situations with regards to distribution.

EDIT: Also what besada said. Sex crime doesn't equal rape, it covers many different situations.
I can concede to these post. I have been enlightened.
 
But now that Jennifer Lawrence, girl next door, intelligent, articulate, talented actress who half of GAF wants to marry, everyone is jumping on their high horse as moral crusaders.

it could be that, sure.

It could be that as times change, people change, and "GAF" — which is just a collection of people of various ages and experiences communicating (kinda) with each other—might now feature people who have, in the space of time between the Kardashian tape and this one, maybe learned a thing or two and have applied that knowledge to their own life.

That's not a bad thing. The idea that a community could shed some overtly negative aspects as it grows and ages. I know I personally made jokes about the Kardashian tape, victim blamed her for her participation in the tape, made callous comments about how stupid she was for even being in that situation in the first place.

And then I realized how unfair, thoughtless, and perspectiveless those viewpoints were. That didn't happen all at once, though. Those lessons accumulated, over years, as I accumulated experiences of my own, experiences that showed me that my previous points were nearsighted at best, hurtful and counterproductive at worst.

I'm unsure as to why you'd immediately seize upon evidence of an observable, appreciable change in the community here on that level as a negative like "hypocrisy" as opposed to something positve like "education"
 
This shit is really weird, specially if you have friends and they look at your naked pictures. Like would you go online and search for naked pictures of your friend's wife if you knew some hacker leaked and dumped millions of pics and there was some database that you could easily search for?

Like I know Victory Justice (if thats her real name) got some leaks too. Wonder if her male friends who were on with her on the show like immediately went online to look at her pics just because they could. Like its fucked.
 
She says right there in the article that making money is not worth the embarrassment and feeling of violation.

For now. From a totally human POV, if and when her fame, popularity, and wealth increases, I bet she will laugh over these times over a monitor in some tropical land that exploits it's poor indigenous population, and guess what, I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
I agree with her. I have private pics (like most guys in hook up apps). BUT those are for people I have sexual relations with. They are not for everyone else's consumption. I didn't consent to have my pics shown to every guys/girls out there. I allowed guys that I like to see my private pics not the entire citizens of Earth.

This is why it's considered rude to message someone and the first message is wanting to see your private pics. I don't even know you and for all you know, may not even be interested in you. So why should I let you see my private pics? You are not entitled to them.
 
For now. From a totally human POV, if and when her fame, popularity, and wealth increases, I bet she will laugh over these times over a monitor in some tropical land that exploits it's poor indigenous population, and guess what, I don't see anything wrong with that.
You don't know what she thinks. She does.
 
Maybe I'm heartless, but I sort of don't really care. These are people who are paid excessive sums of money for living explicitly public lives. Furthermore, if you know people are trying to find this sort of thing, then why would you both take nude photos of yourself and then allow them to be uploaded to iCloud? You may retort, "Well, privacy!". Well, again, these celebrities make their living by living in the public eye.

I, uh,

Oh, you're banned.

Phew.
 
it could be that, sure.

It could be that as times change, people change, and "GAF" — which is just a collection of people of various ages and experiences communicating (kinda) with each other—might now feature people who have, in the space of time between the Kardashian tape and this one, maybe learned a thing or two and have applied that knowledge to their own life.

That's not a bad thing. The idea that a community could shed some overtly negative aspects as it grows and ages. I know I personally made jokes about the Kardashian tape, victim blamed her for her participation in the tape, made callous comments about how stupid she was for even being in that situation in the first place.

And then I realized how unfair, thoughtless, and perspectiveless those viewpoints were. That didn't happen all at once, though. Those lessons accumulated, over years, as I accumulated experiences of my own, experiences that showed me that my previous points were nearsighted at best, hurtful and counterproductive at worst.

I'm unsure as to why you'd immediately seize upon evidence of an observable, appreciable change in the community here on that level as a negative like "hypocrisy" as opposed to something positve like "education"

I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.
 
Did she take so many photos because she had a boyfriend or something?
Yes.

And honestly, there aren't THAT many pictures. I was in a long distance relationship with a cute girl and had probably 200 ass pictures alone. It's super common to send pictures now anyway considering that people have to means to take (camera) and send (magic texting device) in their pockets or nearby nearly every second of the day.
 
I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.

Lmao

Okay
 
I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.

That's pretty laughable.
 
I agree with her. I have private pics (like most guys in hook up apps). BUT those are for people I have sexual relations with. They are not for everyone else's consumption. I didn't consent to have my pics shown to every guys/girls out there. I allowed guys that I like to see my private pics not the entire citizens of Earth.

This is why it's considered rude to message someone and the first message is wanting to see your private pics. I don't even know you and for all you know, may not even be interested in you. So why should I let you see my private pics? You are not entitled to them.

As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.
 
I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.
Man, what's with some of you telling us you know how we'll behave?
 
Yea I do like that Gawker a week before these leaks proudly refused to remove a leaked (stolen) Hulk Hogan sex tape and openly mocked him, but was quick to crusade against people releasing pictures of these actresses.
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

I have pictures of myself out there too that I've submitted to blogs and stuff, but if photos that I took for my girlfriend leaked, I'd be pretty upset.
 
The sad thing is there are some people who do legitimately believe that just because they're celebrities they have no right to privacy. They were human beings before, during, and after they were celebrities. All humans have a right to privacy even though some nations in this world don't honor it. As they are also human beings they're also prone to fall in love with someone.

I can't stand it when people say that people only care because they're celebrities. More people care because when it happens to a celeb the news hits a far, far, far larger pool of people than if it were to happen to Jill from Bumfuck Nowhere, Nebraska. Does this make them better than Jill? Not in the slightest. Jill has the exact same rights as they do. It's just that the vast majority of people have zero idea that Jill even exists.
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

It's nice that it doesnt bother you, I guess???

I'd feel devastated if my nudes are available for viewing for family and friends and work mates.
 
I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.

Oh I didn't realize that you were capable of assuring that. My mistake. Is that because, in the event it happened, you would be the one spearheading such behavior?
 
I can assure you that if the recent iCloud leak was ONLY that of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, in the same circumstances and same poses as Jennifer Lawrence, the 'grown up and more mature GAF community' that you describe, would not be sympathetic to Kim Kardashian's plight.

I don't agree.

You're basically arguing that people don't mean what they're saying because of emotional attachment to the fantasy of being friends with/dating Jennifer Lawrence. It's just trying to sketch in some nuance to what's not much more than a basic-ass "white knight" argument which suggests the only reason any man here who is arguing that this is a fucked up situation is only arguing as such because they are hoping their voicing of those opinions will be rewarded by either a) Jennifer Lawrence herself or b) any woman reading who might offer sexual favors or intimacy of some sort in return for those opinions.

That's bullshit. It's also goalpost moving in that your initial argument was one where "GAF" was being hypocritical because they don't behave the same way they behaved 10 years ago, but now you're trying to say that if it were a less "wholesome" star that was involved, there'd be a lot less uproar.

Which also ignores the fact this particular scandal involved way more than just Jennifer Lawrence, anyway.

You're either upset that people are being "hypocritical" by verbally acknowledging they've learned something in the decade plus they've been visiting this place, or you're upset that people aren't being more permissive, or even going so far as to defiantly publicly enjoy this situation.

That's how it reads, at least.
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

Good for you.
 
The only thing worth while about all this is the fact that people will become more aware of cloud settings and companies will work harder to be more secured.

It's sad how a network can get hacked and few ppl act like Apple is not liable for nothing (when they should be). "oh nevermind we'll fix it now".
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

Just because you don't care about your photos being shared without consent doesn't mean other people shouldn't. Regardless of what your feelings are on it, it's still widely a crime to have your private photos shared without your consent.
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

Well, I do take precautions by not taking naked pics with visible face. But I do have shirtless pics. Still doesn't mean I gave everyone a consent to see them. I think what Lawrence said is consent needs to be taken seriously and at the moment, some people have no consideration for it.
 
Why is this relevant?

Because there were so many of them. I loathe myself if I take more than a selfie a week, so I just couldn't imagine taking so many nudes of myself.

Still doesn't change the situation, she doesn't deserve to have her personal life raided no matter how many nude pics she took of herself.
 
Yes, she said so in the article. It was a long distance relationship. That being said, that info is irrelevant. Even if she was single there is nothing wrong with taking tons of naked pics of yourself.

The problem I have is that they're two lessons from this whole situation, but Jennifer Lawrence is only talking about one half of it.

It's of course a major violation of privacy and it's good that she's trying to raise awareness about "Cyber Creeping" and getting people to understand how she feels violated.

However it would also be nice if she raised awareness about properly protecting your private moments in this digital age. This type of digital theft can and does happen to anyone, not just famous people. So it would be nice if she also used this opportunity as a teaching moment to other couples and individuals on how to protect their info, so they can hopefully avoid a similar ordeal she has had to go through.

But of course she won't do this because she would have to admit that she was careless with her private information. It's a shame too because admitting a mistake doesn't automatically mean you're excusing other people's actions or that you somehow deserve it.

It's like if I walked down a dark ally at night and I end up getting mugged and beaten to a bloody pulp. Me acknowledging that I shouldn't have walked down a dark ally at night doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty. I'll not only do my best to try to get them arrested but I'll also do my best to educate people to not walk down dark allis. If some people want to "victim blame" me, I wouldn't care because I'm helping to avoid the situation for other people by attacking both sides of the problem. From both a societal and personal responsibility standpoint. Jennifer Lawrence, IMO, is missing the latter.
 
It's like if I walked down a dark ally at night and I end up getting mugged and beaten to a bloody pulp. Me acknowledging that I shouldn't have walked down a dark ally at night doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty. I'll not only do my best to try to get them arrested but I'll also do my best to educate people to not walk down dark allis. If some people want to "victim blame" me, I wouldn't care because I'm helping to avoid the situation for other people by attacking both sides of the problem. From both a societal and personal responsibility standpoint. Jennifer Lawrence, IMO, is missing the latter.

This is incredible victim blaming and really just an incredibly obtuse take on what happened. This analogy really needs to stop being used, because the difference is that she did take the proper precautions by having the photos on what was considered a secure service. Furthermore, there are people who claimed that they later deleted the photos, yet hackers were still able to obtain them.
 
That's pretty laughable.

How? It's silly to say how everyone on GAF would react but the general opinion of leaks took a sharp turn with these specific leaks. I'm glad people's opinions are starting to change, but just last year, there was a rumor of Demi Lovato leaks, and the whole thread here was basically celebrating except for a small minority. I was actually surprised at the reaction here considering past leaks with celebratory threads.
 
Because there were so many of them. I loathe myself if I take more than a selfie a week, so I just couldn't imagine taking so many nudes of myself.

Still doesn't change the situation, she doesn't deserve to have her personal life raided no matter how many nude pics she took of herself.

I can't remember the last time I took a selfie and don't really care that someone has taken a lot of themselves.

A lot of people make the case that selfies=self-centered, but I suppose someone could claim I was insecure or self-conscious by NOT wanting to take any selfies.

Not to mention I don't have to deal with a FRACTION of the body/image issues that women do on a daily basis.

It's like if I walked down a dark ally at night and I end up getting mugged and beaten to a bloody pulp. Me acknowledging that I shouldn't have walked down a dark ally at night doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty. I'll not only do my best to try to get them arrested but I'll also do my best to educate people to not walk down dark allis. If some people want to "victim blame" me, I wouldn't care because I'm helping to avoid the situation for other people by attacking both sides of the problem. From both a societal and personal responsibility standpoint. Jennifer Lawrence, IMO, is missing the latter.

Yeah, this is textbook victim-blaming.
 
Why does Jennifer Lawrence deserve special treatment? There are countless people who get hacked and doxed all the time.

On the other hand you kind of lose your right to privacy when you choose to become famous. It's part of the social contract.

And when you also take nude selfies, it's hard to generate sympathy. If it was paparazzi that took the pictures, maybe.

Hello? A hacker was violating her privacy (as well as other actresses)!
 
On the other hand you kind of lose your right to privacy when you choose to become famous. It's part of the social contract.

And when you also take nude selfies, it's hard to generate sympathy. If it was paparazzi that took the pictures, maybe.

That does not mean that personal possessions not intended for public use are suddenly fair game and the social contract doesn't allow for illegal activity as a means to an end.

Also why is it hard to generate sympathy if she took nude or sexual pictures of herself for a sexual partner? I'm not seeing the moral failing here that suddenly voids her of her rights.
 
I'm completely lost on the "if you took a nude photo of yourself, it's fair game" argument. How do you go from "person takes photo of self" to "it's your fault it's out there"? When any of us do anything private, we expect it to stay that way.
 
It's like if I walked down a dark ally at night and I end up getting mugged and beaten to a bloody pulp. Me acknowledging that I shouldn't have walked down a dark ally at night doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty. I'll not only do my best to try to get them arrested but I'll also do my best to educate people to not walk down dark allis. If some people want to "victim blame" me, I wouldn't care because I'm helping to avoid the situation for other people by attacking both sides of the problem. From both a societal and personal responsibility standpoint. Jennifer Lawrence, IMO, is missing the latter.

Sigh. The Dark Alley analogy.

Not only it shifts the blame on to the particular victim, it's also not the victim's responsibility to broadcast to other victims that they are the ones to blame if bad things happen to them should they walk down ~the dark alley at night~
 
The problem I have is that they're two lessons from this whole situation, but Jennifer Lawrence is only talking about one half of it.

It's of course a major violation of privacy and it's good that she's trying to raise awareness about "Cyber Creeping" and getting people to understand how she feels violated.

However it would also be nice if she raised awareness about properly protecting your private moments in this digital age. This type of digital theft can and does happen to anyone, not just famous people. So it would be nice if she also used this opportunity as a teaching moment to other couples and individuals on how to protect their info, so they can hopefully avoid a similar ordeal she has had to go through.

But of course she won't do this because she would have to admit that she was careless with her private information. It's a shame too because admitting a mistake doesn't automatically mean you're excusing other people's actions or that you somehow deserve it.

It's like if I walked down a dark ally at night and I end up getting mugged and beaten to a bloody pulp. Me acknowledging that I shouldn't have walked down a dark ally at night doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty. I'll not only do my best to try to get them arrested but I'll also do my best to educate people to not walk down dark allis. If some people want to "victim blame" me, I wouldn't care because I'm helping to avoid the situation for other people by attacking both sides of the problem. From both a societal and personal responsibility standpoint. Jennifer Lawrence, IMO, is missing the latter.
As the victim of a serious crime it's not on her to do anything of the sort and for you to suggest that she should is insulting and inappropriate. She did nothing wrong and made no mistakes.

EDIT: Annnd banned. The hammer is extra swift in this thread.
 
It's been over a decade since Paris's tape leaked and almost as long for Kim's. Culture has changed. I know I have changed. Me ten (or even five) years ago would have been all over Lawrence's pics.
NOPE FUCK YOU THERE IS NO MORAL EVOLUTION IN SOCIETY
 
I'm completely lost on the "if you took a nude photo of yourself, it's fair game" argument. How do you go from "person takes photo of self" to "it's your fault it's out there"? When any of us do anything private, we expect it to stay that way.

Divine Retribution for being lewd.
 
As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

Uhm, ok? Last statement is ridiculous
 
I don't know how storing your pictures on a major cloud backup could possibly be considered the same as walking down a dark alley.

As a male with pics and a possible video out there, idc who sees it. The pics were uploaded without my consent as well. I know there is a video of me but haven't found it even though it was shot 3 years ago. Again, possibly uploaded without my consent.

It won't ruin your life unless you let it. If it's out there, embrace it. Just remember the moment.

Well, the fact she is a celebrity makes it a bit different than your case. Would you really embrace someone posting them on facebook and tagging you in them, so all your friends and family know about it?

Plus, I think slut shaming being a thing makes this much worse for a woman than a man.

But, I'm glad you embrace it, not sure how telling someone to keep a stiff upper lip is a good response to being violated.
 
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