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[Bgamer90]

You didn't like the use of the words "precious" and "little." And you called one of my replies/opinions "rediculous." Cry me a river. This has been an OK thread at times but don't act like you have some trademark on what is or isn't a "proper" reply in here just because you started it.

I never stated what should or shouldn't be said in "my precious thread". Was just stating that the thread hasn't been going the way you described.

(Oh and by the way, you were the one that said "rediculous", that is, if you were pointing out the misspelling).

 

[Bgamer90]

Back in November at a Best Buy while looking for some deals, I watched a late 30ish/early 40ish couple holding a 3DS and mulling over whether or not to get their kid a 3DS. They picked up both MK 7 and SM3DLand off the shelf and as soon as they noticed the Big Bold 3DS logo on each of the games' cases, the 3DS box and both games went into their cart and they moved in to the next aisle. I don't expect it to be any different with the Wii U and NSMBU this fall.

So you are saying that based on that, no one will be confused?

 

[fse]

They should have called it "The New Wii".

 

[Skiesofwonder]

So you are saying that based on that, no one will be confused?

So you are saying, that based on Jimmy Fallon, a larger then usual population of people will be confused?

 

[Somnid]

ones are just saying that it seems like Nintendo has a problem that needs to be corrected.

I've challenged this several times and got the run around each time. Can you explain the problem and how it negatively impacts sales?

So they think it's a $80 add-on or something they find out it's a console (not my argument but let's assume). So they don't buy what doesn't exist, they don't want to spend money on a whole console (which they wouldn't even if they knew), or they buy the console (begrudgingly or excitedly). What's really the issue?

 

[Takao]

I've challenged this several times and got the run around each time. Can you explain the problem and how it negatively impacts sales?

So they think it's a $80 add-on or something they find out it's a console (not my argument but let's assume). So they don't buy what doesn't exist, they don't want to spend money on a whole console (which they wouldn't even if they knew), or they buy the console (begrudgingly or excitedly). What's really the issue?

The fear is that because people perceive it's just a peripheral they might just think "More plastic junk for my Wii, great" and skip out on the platform entirely.

 

[Bgamer90]

So you are saying, that based on Jimmy Fallon, a larger then usual population of people will be confused?

With Fallon describing the Wii U (in the beginning of his show) in similar fashion to how others have explained the Wii U, I can see there being more confusion than usual.

 

[Glass Joe]

Back in November at a Best Buy while looking for some deals, I watched a late 30ish/early 40ish couple holding a 3DS and mulling over whether or not to get it for their kid. They put it back on the shelf for a bit but then picked up both MK 7 and SM3DLand. As soon as they noticed the Big Bold 3DS logo on each of the games' cases, they grabbed the 3DS off the shelf again and put the system along with both games into their cart and moved on to the next aisle. I don't expect it to be any different with the Wii U and NSMBU this fall.

No offense but some random shoppers will be more intelligent than other random shoppers. Also, in the scenario you described using Wii U as an example, these same folks might pick up NSMB Wii U, check the game box, and see some graphic stating that it can be played with Wii Remotes. They might also look at the Wii U console package and mistakenly think that the "U" is the name of the new controller and put the box back. So in this scenario they have unusable software that they'll open and can't return once they realize their Wii isn't going to boot it up.

As for people being confused about DS/3DS, I don't know how overblown or true that is. I used to work retail in an electronics department, but not since 3DS launched. But if you're techie enough for NeoGaf, you'd probably be surprised at some of the questions I'd field - so hearing about the DS/3DS stuff second-hand doesn't surprise me.

 

[Uno Venova]

With Fallon describing the Wii U (in the beginning of his show) in similar fashion to how others have explained the Wii U, I can there being more confusion than usual.

That and CNN.

 

[Bgamer90]

I've challenged this several times and got the run around each time. Can you explain the problem and how it negatively impacts sales?

So they think it's a $80 add-on or something they find out it's a console (not my argument but let's assume). So they don't buy what doesn't exist, they don't want to spend money on a whole console (which they wouldn't even if they knew), or they buy the console (begrudgingly or excitedly). What's really the issue?

If you made a product that made people think and/or be that way you would be happy?

And it can have an impact on sales if it causes confusion. A person may think it's one thing, find out it's another, and say "Forget it..."

Heck, some may say "Forget it..." just based on them thinking that the Wii U is nothing more than a Wii add-on with certain reasons such as, "I would rather spend my money on a truly new console."

 

[Agent Unknown]

So you are saying that based on that, no one will be confused?

 

[Skiesofwonder]

With Fallon describing the Wii U (in the beginning of his show) in similar fashion to how others have explained the Wii U, I can see there being more confusion than usual.

I think you missed my point; you are questioning someone for providing anecdotal evidence when this whole thread is based on anecdotal evidence.

 

[Bgamer90]

I think you missed my point; you are questioning someone for providing anecdotal evidence when this whole thread is based on anecdotal evidence.

If a good number of people think or describe something a certain way, it's not faulty to say, "I can see others doing the same" (and there has been a good amount of evidence of people getting confused over the Wii U).


Saying that something won't happen based on one example in which someone doesn't do it isn't the same.

 

[boyshine]

If you made a product that made people think and/or be that way you would be happy?

And it can have an impact on sales if it causes confusion. A person may think it's one thing, find out it's another, and say "Forget it..."

Heck, some may say "Forget it..." just based on them thinking that the Wii U is nothing more than a Wii add-on with certain reasons such as, "I would rather spend my money on a truly new console."

Show me one person who still think Wii U is „just a Wii add-on”. Fallon even introduced it as a new console, the add-on comment came when he went ad-lib with the introduction before having seen it in person (probably been briefed with a quick video). By now you’re just arguing a dead argument for the sake of arguing. Borderline trolling.

ANYONE who consider buying any kind of gaming hardware because of the hardware itself is a moron. You buy Wii U if there are games you want to play on it. This „forget it” scenario of yours is based on a premise that has no base in reality. „Pikmin 3 looks amazing, but it requires this new controller... so.. forget it, I’m rather spending $500 on a console I know nothing about except that it will never have Pikmin 3”..

 

[Mastperf]

I think you missed my point; you are questioning someone for providing anecdotal evidence when this whole thread is based on anecdotal evidence.

Someone describing the WiiU as a Wii add-on to millions of viewers is a little more than anecdotal evidence.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

If a good number of people think or describe something a certain way, it's not faulty to say, "I can see others doing the same" (and there has been a good amount of evidence of people getting confused over the Wii U).


Saying that something won't happen based on one example in which someone doesn't do it isn't the same.

:lol, you have two real examples (Jimmy Fallon and CNN). That's a good number? It's anecdotal evidence no matter what way you try to shape or form it, just like AgentUnknown's example.

 

[abstract alien]

I don't see how someone calling the Gamepad a Wii add-on is anything but confusion. No one is saying that there is wide spread confoundment to the point of doom, but to say that there isn't a level of confusion here that is higher than usual with a console release is short of ignoring what has happened. Logically I have no idea why anyone would think this is not a new system knowing what it does(and nintendo outright saying it last year), but regardless, it's there.

 

[Bgamer90]

Show me one person who still think Wii U is „just a Wii add-on”. Fallon even introduced it as a new console, the add-on comment came when he went ad-lib with the introduction before having seen it in person (probably been briefed with a quick video). By now you’re just arguing a dead argument for the sake of arguing. Borderline trolling.

Funny you say that when I was just having a discussion with my brother's friend due to him thinking that it was just an add-on to the wii (with me then correcting him).

Outside of Fallon, there has been people who have "tweeted" wondering what the wii U is, the CNN article (as mentioned before), as well as other credible people saying that ones have been confused by the Wii U. Can't really say anything else if you still don't believe it.

Also, constructive criticism =/= trolling.

ANYONE who consider buying any kind of gaming hardware because of the hardware itself is a moron. You buy Wii U if there are games you want to play on it.

Heh, so no one ever buys a console for BOTH games and the gaming hardware (with the latter being an indicator for some as to the quality of support the system will get or how future games will be on the system)?

This „forget it” scenario of yours is based on a premise that has no base in reality.

Really?

So it's 100% impossible for what I said in my example to actually happen?

„Pikmin 3 looks amazing, but it requires this new controller... so.. forget it, I’m rather spending $500 on a console I know nothing about except that it will never have Pikmin 3”..

What a great example to prove that the examples I stated could never happen!

:|

 

[Bgamer90]

:lol, you have two real examples (Jimmy Fallon and CNN). That's a good number? It's anecdotal evidence no matter what way you try to shape or form it, just like AgentUnknown's example.

Heh, last time I checked, CNN, Fallon, about 15 people on twitter, 4 credible people telling me that their friends and/or relatives were confused about the Wii U, as well as people I know personally talking to me about it and thinking it's just a new accessory (4 people), add up to more than just 2.

Is my math off?

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Someone describing the WiiU as a Wii add-on to millions of viewers is a little more than anecdotal evidence.

Maybe you should try looking up a definition of anecdotal evidence. We have no idea what the audience thinks the WiiU is. Jimmy Fallon is ONE person who thought the WiiU was an add-on. It doesn't matter that he announced it to a million people; he is still one example of someone thinking such a thing. Therefore it is a small (and in this case cherry-picked) example that there is confusion with the WiiU.

And before you say "well wouldn't it be save to assume that those millions of viewers think it is an add-on now?" the answer is no, because it was later corrected on the show by Reggie and Jimmy Fallon numerous times.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Heh, last time I checked, CNN, Fallon, about 15 people on twitter, 4 credible people telling me that their friends and/or relatives were confused about the Wii U, as well as people I know personally talking to me about it and thinking it's just a new accessory (4 people), add up to more than just 2.

Is my math off?

That's still anecdotal evidence. Therefore you are being hypocritical to question someone on anecdotal evidence when your whole arguement is based on anecdotal evidence.

Edit: heh, credible people. Nice.

 

[Bgamer90]

And before you say "well wouldn't it be save to assume that those millions of viewers think it is an add-on now?" the answer is no, because it was later corrected on the show by Reggie and Jimmy Fallon numerous times.

It was corrected 30 minutes later. What's to say that a good amount of viewers didn't fall asleep before the demo was shown?

 

[Agent Unknown]

:lol, you have two real examples (Jimmy Fallon and CNN). That's a good number? It's anecdotal evidence no matter what way you try to shape or form it, just like AgentUnknown's example.

Yeah but at least my anecdotal evidence is first hand and actually involves wow, real life consumers buying a video game system. How indicative that anecdote is of how consumers will react to a physical Wii U box in their hands in November is all up in the air at this point obviously, but I like to think it shows that not all mainstream consumers are the passive, illiterate, and 100% easily confused morons some in this thread make them out to be.

 

[Bgamer90]

That's still anecdotal evidence. Therefore you are being hypocritical to question someone on anecdotal evidence when your whole arguement is based on anecdotal evidence.

So it's wrong for me to say, "I can possibly see others doing the same..." if I have seen personal examples myself?

How does that make any sense?

Edit: heh, credible people. Nice.

Yeah... people who are tech and/or game journalists.

 

[Boss Man]

That's still anecdotal evidence. Therefore you are being hypocritical to question someone on anecdotal evidence when your whole arguement is based on anecdotal evidence.

Edit: heh, credible people. Nice.

What other kind of evidence would you prefer for an issue involving people's impressions of something? A scientific survey (that won't happen)?

 

[Mastperf]

Maybe you should try looking up a definition of anecdotal evidence. We have no idea what the audience thinks the WiiU is. Jimmy Fallon is ONE person who thought the WiiU was an add-on. It doesn't matter that he announced it to a million people; he is still one example of someone thinking such a thing. Therefore it is a small (and in this case cherry-picked) evidence that there is confusion with the WiiU.

And before you say "well wouldn't it be save to assume that those millions of viewers think it is an add-on now?" the answer is no, because it was later corrected on the show by Reggie and Jimmy Fallon numerous times.

People have given evidence that's there's confusion over the WiiU and all you've given in return is "No there isn't." Fallon's job was to advertised the WiiU and even he didn't know what it was.
You can trivialize the issue all you want but the fact remains that Fallon thought it was an add-on and had to be corrected.

 

[Bgamer90]

...But I like to think it shows that not all mainstream consumers are the passive, illiterate, and 100% easily confused morons some in this thread make them out to be.

No one is calling them morons. If anything many are saying that they can understand it. Heck, even tech savvy people were confused by the Wii U.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

So it's wrong for me to say, "I can possibly see others doing the same..." if I have seen personal examples myself?

How does that make sense?.

No, but then you can't call people out for doing the same.

What other kind of evidence would you prefer for an issue involving people's impressions of something? A scientific survey (that won't happen)?

If you provide anecdotal evidence and then proceed to question someone else's opinion for providing similar anecdotal evidence, it's hypocritical.

This whole thread is built on anedcotal evidence, and BP alluding that AgentUnknown's opinion is invalid becuase of a cherry-picked example is basically saying his own opinion is invalid.

It's humerous actually.

 

[boyshine]

I was just having a discussion with my brother's friend with him thinking that it was just an add-on to the wii

I spoke to someone last week who bought a 360 slim Kinect bundle because they thought Kinect wouldn’t work with the old type. There are a lot of things to be confused about if you don’t care to ask or research for yourself. And then there’s people who just aren’t that interested. Your brother’s friend is guaranteed not a day 1 customer for Wii U - and for all of those it either doesn’t matter what they think Wii U is (because they’ll never buy it) or they will understand it when they discover it by themselves, either by catching a commercial or seeing it live.

Heh, so no one ever buys a console for BOTH games and the gaming hardware (with the latter being an indicator for some as to the amount of support the system will get or how future games will be on the system)?

Fanboys buy consoles before games are out, but I don’t think there are a lot of Nintendo fanboys around that doesn’t know that Wii U is a console, do you? Other than that games drive system sales, and yes console features are part of some games’ attraction (e.g. GamePad screen) but it’s still the games that matter.

So it's 100% impossible for what I said in my example to actually happen?

Yes.

What a great example to prove that the examples I stated could never happen!

Thank you.

 

[Agent Unknown]

People have given evidence that's there's confusion over the WiiU and all you've given in return is."No there isn't." Fallon's job was to advertised the WiiU and even he didn't know what it was.

Jimmy got confused and said add-on. Then after Reggie said it was a system and that the controller is part of the system's package and they even had the camera guy linger a bit on the console. Mystery solved. How many times does this need to be repeated? Please stop with this mental disconnect between the two events as if the second half didn't happen. I also love how great the Wii U demo went with the throwing stars compared to how awkward Fallon was with Uncharted and a PS3 controller. So actually in the end, Fallon and Reggie both did a fine job advertising the system and maybe the Uncharted demo was the real fail and dull spot of Fallon's Video Game Week? At least the audience reacted and the system's getting press.

You can trivialize the issue all you want but the fact remains that Fallon thought it was an add-on and had to be corrected.

Yeah, but in the end he was corrected and on national TV.

 

[Bgamer90]

No, but then you can't call people out for doing the same.

You can't say that no one won't do something based on one case of a person not doing it.

However, based on seeing a trend in people doing something, one can say "I can see others doing the same".

Again how is that wrong? Do you dismiss social experiments?

If you provide anecdotal evidence and then proceed to question someone else's opinion for providing similar anecdotal evidence, it's hypocritical.

It's not hypocritical. Read what I said above.

This whole thread is built on anedcotal evidence, and BP alluding that AgentUnknown's opinion is invalid becuase of a cherry-picked example is basically saying his own opinion is invalid.

It's humerous actually.

It's humorous that you don't get the difference between someone saying "People won't do this since one person didn't do it", and someone else saying "I can see more people doing this based on me seeing more than (say) 10 people doing it".

 

[Skiesofwonder]

People have given evidence that's there's confusion over the WiiU and all you've given in return is "No there isn't." Fallon's job was to advertised the WiiU and even he didn't know what it was.
You can trivialize the issue all you want but the fact remains that Fallon thought it was an add-on and had to be corrected.

I never said that. I agree the such a thing happened. If you read the whole thread you would see that I have no problem with this thread, but do not agree in jumping to conclusions that Jimmy Fallon being confused about it yesterday means that consumers will at launch walk in and feel the same thing (considering the ad campaign, mall tour, and launch conference is still ahead of us).

Though you seem to be taking my post out of context, considering I was only addressing BP's hypocritical comment to AgentUnknown.

 

[lwilliams3]

I have not been following this thread, but if Wii U's marketing is in question, Reggie going to the show and correcting him is a good thing, correct?

Also.. there are sometimes confusion with successors to a popular game system. I recall some of family members calling the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and even a sega genesis a "Nintendo". In the early days, the DS was constantly called a Gameboy or "Gameboy DS", despite having a different name and a second distinctive screen. Getting a product mixed up with a familar brand is not necessarily a bad thing as long as it can attract people to buy it with its features and games.

Also note that even before the correction, Jimmy appeared to be very interested in the Wii U due to its features, so that may be enough to get people interested enough to find out what it really is.

 

[Bgamer90]

I spoke to someone last week who bought a 360 slim Kinect bundle because they thought Kinect wouldn’t work with the old type. There are a lot of things to be confused about if you don’t care to ask or research for yourself. And then there’s people who just aren’t that interested. Your brother’s friend is guaranteed not a day 1 customer for Wii U - and for all of those it either doesn’t matter what they think Wii U is (because they’ll never buy it) or they will understand it when they discover it by themselves, either by catching a commercial or seeing it live.

Guaranteed?

Based on him being confused, he'll never buy one day one even though we still have 5 months left with the chance that his interest will grow?

What kind of sense does that make?

Fanboys buy consoles before games are out, but I don’t think there are a lot of Nintendo fanboys around that doesn’t know that Wii U is a console, do you? Other than that games drive system sales, and yes console features are part of some games’ attraction (e.g. GamePad screen) but it’s still the games that matter.

Umm... what are you trying to say then?

Yes.

Thank you.

lol

 

[grap3fruitman]

Here you go everyone; Wii U identity crisis solved:

 

[Bgamer90]

I have not been following this thread, but if Wii U's marketing is in question, Reggie going to the show and correcting him is a good thing, correct?

Also.. there are sometimes confusion with successors to a popular game system. I recall some of family members calling the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and even a sega genesis a "Nintendo". In the early days, the DS was constantly called a Gameboy or "Gameboy DS", despite having a different name and a second distinctive screen. Getting a product mixed up with a familar brand is not necessarily a bad thing as long as it can attract people to buy it with its features and games.

Also note that even before the correction, Jimmy appeared to be very interested in the Wii U due to its features, so that may be enough to get people interested enough to find out what it really is.

Not saying that what you said isn't true or isn't possible. However, not everyone has a quick source to correct them before purchasing an item.

 

[Agent Unknown]

You can't say that no one won't do something based on one case of a person not doing it.

However, based on seeing a trend in people doing something, one can say "I can see others doing the same"?

Again how is that wrong? Do you dismiss social experiments?




It's not hypocritical. Read what I said above.



It's humorous that you don't get the difference between someone saying "People won't do this since one person didn't do it", and someone else saying "I can see more people doing this based on me seeing more than (say) 10 people doing it".

Just wondering how long you think you can keep all this hair splitting up? I thought in an earlier post you said you were spending most of today "relaxing and listening to music" and that this thread wasn't that big of a deal to you?

I have been spending most of the day relaxing listening to new music. Don't want to spend time on silly "doom & gloom" stuff like that (lol).

Uh huh. I gotta say though, I'm actually kind of enjoying the discussion now and your constant defending of your thread has really kind of energized it or something.

 

[Mastperf]

I never said that. I agree the such a thing happened. If you read the whole thread you would see that I have no problem with this thread, but do not agree in jumping to conclusions that Jimmy Fallon being confused about it yesterday does not means that consumers will at launch walk in and feel the same thing (considering the ad campaign, mall tour, and launch conference is still ahead of us).

Though you seem to be taking my post out of context, considering I was only addressing BP's hypocritical comment to AgentUnknown.

I personally hope the WiiU does great but to me there seems to be a real issue with the WiiU's identity. It might or might not have an effect in the long run, but it effects me as a gamer since I want as many successful companies to choose from as the industry can support. I see Nintendo betting on the Wii crowd to carry the WiiU and I just don't see it happening. They need to try to hit as many homeruns as the can before launch and right now they're tripping over their feet a little.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

You can't say that no one won't do something based on one case of a person not doing it.

However, based on seeing a trend in people doing something, one can say "I can see others doing the same"?

Again how is that wrong? Do you dismiss social experiments?




It's not hypocritical. Read what I said above.



It's humorous that you don't get the difference between someone saying "People won't do this since one person didn't do it", and someone else saying "I can see more people doing this based on me seeing more than (say) 10 people doing it".

There is no difference, both are small and cherry-picked examples. That is the definition of anecdotal evidence. And it doesn't matter if it is one person or ten people. It is still classified as a small example. You have also not conducted any experiments to get your findings, so I'm not sure why you are bringing up a social experiment. Also, to say someone's opinion is invalid for providing anecdotal evidence (which you did with this thread to make your argument) is hypocritical.

You might want to spend some time with a dictionary.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Here you go everyone; Wii U identity crisis solved:

That would help a lot, but in some ways I think they should go with a new name, that reminds people off 'Wii".. "Uou"?

Ok yeah, "Uou" wont work. :lol

Perhaps "Nintendo U" or "Nu"? I think someone else recommended that a while back now that I think of it..

 

[ASIS]

Here you go everyone; Wii U identity crisis solved:

There is a reason why they didn't go for this direction.

 

[abstract alien]

Reggie shouldn't have to correct anyone because the name of the system, logo, and design should invoke the thought of it being "higher", or at least a separate entity from the current Wii.

 

[Boss Man]

I think this happening on Jimmy Fallon and on CNN is pretty indicative of a branding problem, but I guess it doesn't matter because without a scientific inquiry into the issue we can't possibly assume anything.

 

[Glass Joe]

Here you go everyone; Wii U identity crisis solved:

I think commercial voice overs referring to it as "U, from the makers of Wii" might go a long way in correcting the potential problem. I know they want to keep the Wii moniker though and simply using "U" alone isn't an evident enough play on words for someone to connect it to the Wii brand, though.

It may be better if the conversations on the streets this holiday would flow more like:

"Have you tried the U?"
"The what?"
"U, you know, the new Wii."
"Oh alright. No, what's it like?"

As opposed to:
"Have you tried the Wii U?"
"Nah I unhooked my Wii last year, see ya later man."

However, for anecdotal evidence that contradicts concerns, I have a class I'm taking for a job with about 20 students. 4 serious gamers and a couple seemed more casual. All who took part of the conversation were already aware of the Wii U and that it was a new console, when we had a convo about it right after e3.

 

[Bgamer90]

Just wondering how long you think you can keep all this hair splitting up? I thought in an earlier post you said you were spending most of today "relaxing and listening to music" and that this thread wasn't that big of a deal to you?

Replying to what people are saying while I'm "chilling out". It's not impossible.

Uh huh. I gotta say though, I'm actually kind of enjoying the discussion now and your constant defending of your thread has really kind of energized it or something.

Haha, so it's impossible for me to listen to music while I type?

Also, this thread has more so been "energized" on arguments that don't make sense.

 

[Bgamer90]

There is no difference, both are small and cherry-picked examples. That is the definition of anecdotal evidence. And it doesn't matter if it is one person or ten people. It is still classified as a small example. You have also not conducted any experiments to get your findings, so I'm not sure why you are bringing up a social experiment. Also, to say someone's opinion is invalid for providing anecdotal evidence (which you did with this thread to make your argument) is hypocritical.

You might want to spend some time with a dictionary.

Wow...dude. What don't you get about it?

If one person chooses "beverage A" over "beverage B", it's wrong to say "No one will choose beverage B..." based on that one person.

However, if there's a trend of a good number of people picking one over the other, one can say "I can see more people picking this option based on this current trend."



You might want to spend some time in a research methods class.

 

[DarkWish]

"This is the new Wii... a Wii that is tailored towards U. Wii U."

Something as simple as that could get the point across in marketing quite easily. Granted, the above is something I thought up in two seconds... but the idea is that it's not hard to explain that it's a new system. NOA just has to have the right word choice in their marketing materials.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Wow...dude.

What don't you get about it?

If one person chooses "beverage A" over "beverage B" it's wrong to say "No one will choose beverage B..." based on that one person.

However, if there's a trend of a good number of people picking one over the other, one can say "I can see more people picking this option based on this current trend."


You might want to spend some time in a research methods class.

Ten people is hardly considered a trend. :lol

Just admit that you were being hypocritcal, it's not a big deal.

 

[Shahed]

Yes Nintendo could have made things clearer by showing off the console itself more and not focusing so much on the controller.

But surely no one could be stupid enough to buy the Wii U Pad and expect it to work with their Wii? The price must be a pretty big sign right?

 

[Bgamer90]

Ten people is hardly considered a trend. :lol

Just admit that you were being hypocritcal, it's not a big deal.

Wasn't being hypocritical. Hypocritical would have been be saying that to him yet saying something like, "Since my friend didn't like it, no one will."

I really hope you are playing with me since this is getting a bit crazy (lol).