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John Cleese bashes American "Football"

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eznark said:
Uh, soccer teams whore out their jerseys like NASCAR.

And lol at a Monty Python guy saying there is no thought involved in something.
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I hate sponsored shirts/jerseys btw. Just take a (sometimes) nice shirt and slap a giant logo on it that doesn't fit in whatsoever. Makes them look dated sometimes the moment they come out. Hope American team sports steer clear; it's amazing they've made it this far.
 
I use to pretend to like soccer for the sake of trying to be opened minded to such a world wide sport, even playing FIFA with my buds back in the day but I just said fuck it at least when it comes to men soccer. Women soccer though I can watch all day and night and would even attend a game. I loved it during the Olympics. I just have a whole different attitude towards them playing it and kind of see it as a women sport at least here in America. That said I hope the US wins this weekend.
 
cubicle47b said:
Really, baseball has the most strategy? I can't even imagine how.


There are the obvious things like hit and run, steals, pick - offs, pitch outs, lining up your defense in regards to what the current pitcher vs. hitter match up is.

But in my opinion the ultimate mind fuck strategy and "game within a game" moreso than any other sport is the singular pitch by pitch battle between a hitter and pitcher. Announcers can (and have to) talk about that shit for a solid 2 to 3 hours and they do it so easily because there are an infinite amount of variables a pitcher can use to attack a hitter. Each match-up is unique, and on top of that the situation on the field (inning, score, portion of game, runners on base etc.) adds another variable on top of that.

But unfortunately people who don't understand or know baseball can't appreciate the awesomeness of a 90 mph slider that is chased by a Left Handed hitter to record the third out of an inning with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 out.

But everyone loves a tackle, which is why Amreeka loves it's football.
 
the further prove how much thinking and prep goes into the NFL check this out

700 page playbook
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study study study
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your playbook is your best friend
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This is why hockey is the ultimate game.

The creativity of soccer
The physical aspect of football
all played with sharp blades on your feet and a puck as hard as a rock.

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This is a real mans game.
 
Socreges said:
Nah, it's really not.

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alright give me your weight, height, and build so I can see what position you could effortlessly play. I've played both soccer and football, football was far more demanding psychically at least in my case.
 
Zeke said:
alright give me your weight, height, and build so I can see what position you could effortlessly play. I've played both soccer and football, football was far more demanding psychically at least in my case.

Americans playing soccer doesn't count even for anecdotal evidence because the skill of the average American at it is fucking abysmal.
 
jabipun said:
But in my opinion the ultimate mind fuck strategy and "game within a game" moreso than any other sport is the singular pitch by pitch battle between a hitter and pitcher. Announcers can (and have to) talk about that shit for a solid 2 to 3 hours and they do it so easily because there are an infinite amount of variables a pitcher can use to attack a hitter. Each match-up is unique, and on top of that the situation on the field (inning, score, portion of game, runners on base etc.) adds another variable on top of that.

But unfortunately people who don't understand or know baseball can't appreciate the awesomeness of a 90 mph slider that is chased by a Left Handed hitter to record the third out of an inning with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 out.
Yeah..... but it's really not interesting to watch. I played baseball competitively for over about fifteen years. I understand the complexity of pitching and batting. But it has never sustained my attention for more than a few moments unless I happen to put a game on and see the bases loaded with the score close. But that game within a game that you talk about, as complex as it is, is simply NOT interesting for the spectator unless the person has some deep emotional investment in the players. The announcers talk about it so much, not because there's really anything worthwhile saying, but because the vacuous space that would be left between pitches would be even MORE unbearable. I think everyone should play baseball, though. It's a really fun sport to play, both as recreation and competitively, especially with friends.
 
rhfb said:
So? Sooner or later the NFL will catch on and companies will be able to sponsor the jerseys. Give it 5-6 years. First, the refs will be sponsored, then the teams will.

edit: and Cleese is mostly right.

Yeah I don't see that happening unless they are in dire need of money.
 
Blackface said:
memorization /= thinking.
theres plaenty of thinking the QB must be able to quickly look and break down the defense what players are going where, wheres the rush coming from. The defense needs to break down the offense as well. Quickly break down the offense and make sure the right formation is being used making sure your players are where they need to be. Add to the fact that when your ass gets traded to a new team you have a brand new playbook to break down and study.
 
Zeke said:
alright give me your weight, height, and build so I can see what position you could effortlessly play. I've played both soccer and football, football was far more demanding psychically at least in my case.
Dude, you're moving the goalposts here. The conversation that I was having related to "monkeys can play this sport, but not that sport". i.e., a monkey can kick a soccer ball, but can't catch a football. If you want to bring physical demands into it, it becomes a bit complicated. Waifs can't play either sport. You'll get pushed off the ball every time in soccer and you'll get absolutely wrecked in football. Tall, fat guys can play football, but would be completely left behind in soccer. Strong, lean players with great speed and endurance that excel at soccer wouldn't be able to compete at high levels of football given the huge strength demands.

You're right, though. A sport can't be separated from its physical demands. But just as many people would be excluded from football because they'd get pushed around, even more (I'd say) would get excluded from soccer because the skills demanded to kick, dribble, control, shield etc a soccer ball are so complex.

Btw, I'm 6'2", 190lbs, athletic. I played wide receiver, tight end, corner, safety during my several years of competitive football.
 
Zeke said:
theres plaenty of thinking the QB must be able to quickly look and break down the defense what players are going where, wheres the rush coming from. The defense needs to break down the offense as well. Quickly break down the offense and make sure the right formation is being used making sure your players are where they need to be. Add to the fact that when your ass gets traded to a new team you have a brand new playbook to break down and study.

I am just trolling, I am also not English.

Both sports are good, both sports are different, everyone in this thread is stupid.
 
Pointless argument really it all depends what younwere brought up with.

To me football is far more entertaining and skillful than American football but as a northern English lad it was a part of my upbringing.

When you see someone like the great Zizou play (can't believe it's been 4 years) you can really understand why they call it the beautiful game, damn I can't wait for this world cup.

I like watching the superbowl for the spectacle (prefer that of wrestlemania though) but the actual game bores me on the whole.
 
Zeke said:
the further prove how much thinking and prep goes into the NFL check this out

700 page playbook
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study study study
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your playbook is your best friend
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But American Football players are dim-witted Neanderthals who can barely read.
 
Socreges said:
Yeah..... but it's really not interesting to watch. I played baseball competitively for over about fifteen years. I understand the complexity of pitching and batting. But it has never sustained my attention for more than a few moments unless I happen to put a game on and see the bases loaded with the score close. But that game within a game that you talk about, as complex as it is, is simply NOT interesting for the spectator unless the person has some deep emotional investment in the players. The announcers talk about it so much, not because there's really anything worthwhile saying, but because the vacuous space that would be left between pitches would be even MORE unbearable. I think everyone should play baseball, though. It's a really fun sport to play, both as recreation and competitively, especially with friends.


*whew* the 73 million fans that attended games must think it's shit. thanks for setting us straight.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
*whew* the 73 million fans that attended games must think it's shit. thanks for setting us straight.
I meant TV, actually, though you're free to point to Nielson ratings or whatever.

When people go to games live, the majority of people are not fixated on that "game within a game". They're there, drinking beers, joking with friends, cheering occasionally, waiting for SOMETHING to happen. I've been to enough ball games to know. The relaxed ambiance is great. Thank goodness or no one would go.
 
Blackface said:
memorization /= thinking.
It's not just memorization, it's implementation and studying situational football, what the other team does, and your match-ups. Offensive linemen and quarterbacks have a ton of preparation to do and it doesn't just involve memorization. Wide receivers and defensive backs come after that. The "brutes" of the sport tend to be outside linebackers, defensive ends, and running backs, but even in those positions there are lots of smart players at the professional level.

And there is a lot of improvisation in football. Just because some of you guys don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Some of the greatest plays in football have been off-the-cuff stuff. And hell, watch any Colts game and you'll see a team play without much coaching on the offensive side of the ball.
 
In soccer, the world champion can be decided by playing an entirely different game.

For as long as there are shootouts, and especially for as long as shootouts are acceptable for determining a WORLD CUP CHAMPION, soccer can not be considered one of the best sports.
 
timetokill said:
In soccer, the world champion can be decided by playing an entirely different game.

For as long as there are shootouts, and especially for as long as shootouts are acceptable for determining a WORLD CUP CHAMPION, soccer can not be considered one of the best sports.
Did you actually think about this in a practical way? Why would you call a shoot out "an entirely different game"? Surely you'd consider field goals, for example, to be a part of football. They can decide a game also. A team can be down by 2 points and, provided the defensive line can hold off the opposing team for a few seconds, one player can kick the ball, 50 yards let's say, between the uprights to win the game after they had only driven 20 down-field. Shootouts are part of the sport, just as field goals are in football.

These arguments are often riddled with ignorance. But one of the biggest problems is that Americans begin with the conclusion in hand to begin with since soccer is the game of the 'other' and then try and find some way to rationalize their beliefs. To be fair, plenty of Europeans and whoever else do the same with football and baseball.
 
timetokill said:
In soccer, the world champion can be decided by playing an entirely different game.

For as long as there are shootouts, and especially for as long as shootouts are acceptable for determining a WORLD CUP CHAMPION, soccer can not be considered one of the best sports.
You're forgetting the fact that to get to that stage there would have been two hours of football played between the two sides.

I see no problem with it
 
Blackface said:
memorization /= thinking.

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Indeed. Indeed good fellow.

However allow me to propose a diametric hypothesis. The quick and expeditious application of such knowledge on the field of play during the contest can be quite an ordeal.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Now find me a picture of a dog throwing the ball!


Socreges said:
This is an interesting point, though. I'm sure you would be about as effective as a monkey if you were to try and play soccer in my league.
I am sure you are right. Look monkeys are just a good as humans at a lot of things like eating bananas, masturbating and hurling feces. These along with soccer are the games that sub-primates can excel at.

But only the most evolved games and species play games that involve opposable thumbs like tennis, basketball, football, darts, etc.

Me personally? I prefer playing the more evolved games. But hey, just because I am not into flinging feces or getting people to kick balls at my head doesn't mean that isn't ok for you.
 
bionic77 said:
I am sure you are right. Look monkeys are just a good as humans at a lot of things like eating bananas, masturbating and hurling feces. These along with soccer are the games that sub-primates can excel at.

But only the most evolved games and species play games that involve opposable thumbs like tennis, basketball, football, darts, etc.

Me personally? I prefer playing the more evolved games. But hey, just because I am not into flinging feces or getting people to kick balls at my head doesn't mean that isn't ok for you.
It actually kinda seems like you might believe the basic principles of what you're saying, but you coat it with this veneer of shit so as to not be taken seriously in case your argument doesn't make any sense. Well played. This is truly the post an advocate of American football would make.
 
bionic77 said:
Now find me a picture of a dog throwing the ball!



I am sure you are right. Look monkeys are just a good as humans at a lot of things like eating bananas, masturbating and hurling feces. These along with soccer are the games that sub-primates can excel at.

But only the most evolved games and species play games that involve opposable thumbs like tennis, basketball, football, darts, etc.

Me personally? I prefer playing the more evolved games. But hey, just because I am not into flinging feces or getting people to kick balls at my head doesn't mean that isn't ok for you.
Apes would do ok on the o-line.
 
I <3 Memes said:
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Indeed. Indeed good fellow.

However allow me to propose a diametric hypothesis. The quick and expeditious application of such knowledge on the field of play during the contest can be quite an ordeal.
This is a meme that needs to be used more often, and not just in the NFL thread.
 
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000117&slug=A20000119010012

Hike! A guide to U.S. football
By Dave Barry
We are coming up on the Super Bowl, which is by far the most important sporting event in the world as measured in total tons of free shrimp consumed by sportswriters.

This year, the Super Bowl will be broadcast to many foreign nations, which, almost by definition, contain numerous foreigners. These people are often puzzled by American football, a highly complex sport that requires a knowledge of many technical terms such as "run," "pass," "cornerbacker," "blitzkrieg," "Texas Leaguer," "ligament" and "Hank Stram." This complexity makes the game difficult for foreigners to grasp.

I know how hard it can be to understand a foreign sport, which is why today, to help you foreign persons follow the Super Bowl, I am presenting:

THE RULES OF AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL

Football is played on a field that is 100 yards (374 kilometers) long and is covered with lines called "hash marks" to indicate where players have lost their breakfasts. On either side of the field are the benches, where the 350 players who are not involved in the game sit and wave to their moms. Behind each bench is a big plastic jug of Gatorade. The object of the game is to be the first team to dump this on the "coach," a very angry man who hates everybody.

The game is divided into four 15-minute quarters, each of which lasts a little over three hours. Timeouts may be called by anybody at any time for any reason, including political unrest in Guatemala. Between the second and third quarters, there is a halftime musical extravaganza in which Neil Diamond, Toni Tennille, the Muppets and the late Al Hirt join with every human being who has ever auditioned for "Star Search" to perform "A Tribute to Medleys."

The game begins when a small man of foreign extraction kicks the pigskin, or "ball," as far as possible, then wisely scuttles off the field. The referee then places the ball on an imaginary "line of scrimmage," which is visible only to the referee and his imaginary friend, Mr. Pootywinkle. On either side of this line, the two teams form "huddles," where they decide who will perform the traditional celebratory dance when the upcoming "play" is over.

The "play" itself happens very quickly, so you foreign persons must not blink, or you'll miss it. Here's what happens:

1. A large player called the "center" squats over the ball, and then the "quarterdeck" touches him in a way that would get them both executed in the Middle East.

2. All the players run into each other and fall down.

3. Certain players leap to their feet and perform celebratory dances, while referees add to the festivity by hurling brightly colored flags into the air.

Now comes the heart and soul of football: Watching slow-motion replays of the players falling down. You'll see this from every possible point of reference, including the Hubble telescope.

You'll see so many replays that at some point you'll swear that, in the background, you can see Mr. Pootywinkle.

When the replays are finally over, the referee formally announces that the play does not count. Then it's time for eight commercials featuring sport utility vehicles climbing Mount Everest, and it's back to the huddles for more nonstop action!

Yes, foreign persons, football is a complex sport, but you'll find that if you take the time to watch this year's Super Bowl, you will soon discover why every year, so many millions of Americans are glued to their television sets. Watching rental videos.

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SapientWolf said:
Gorillas would do ok on the o-line.
Touche.

The only possible downside is that they might be called for a 15 yard penalty for ripping the quarterbacks head off.


Socreges said:
It actually kinda seems like you might believe the basic principles of what you're saying, but you coat it with this veneer of shit so as to not be taken seriously in case your argument doesn't make any sense. Well played. This is truly the post an advocate of American football would make.
Typical soccer fan. You can't argue with facts so you resort to name calling.
 
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