you know, I hope he does.
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John Williams is returning for SW: Episode VIII AND Indy V
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you know, I hope he does.
Lara's already being played by Vikander tho
Huh? I mean, like it or not, about 90% of the soundtrack was new material.
Bobby Roberts
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There's a ton of new material on that score. Whether or not you find it super-compelling is another thing entirely, but there's not much getting quoted/re-used, especially not compared to the previous Star Wars scores.
I'm curious as to whether the Jedi Steps gets further developed and becomes more of a theme for Luke now that Luke's original theme (much like Ben's Theme) has become an all-purpose cue (Ben's = the Force, Luke's = basic heroism).
bangbang i'm a timpani
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looking forward to indiana jones IV, its been too long since we've last seen indy on the screen. pretty exciting to see a franchise last made in 1989 come back 30 years later.
brandonh83
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Don't get the mixing complaint. I thought it shined.
The on foot/Falcon escape from Jakku
Rey's introduction
Kylo's introduction
the Resistance attack
Lightsaber duel (it was fantastic here)
Could go on. And on.
The on foot/Falcon escape from Jakku
Rey's introduction
Kylo's introduction
the Resistance attack
Lightsaber duel (it was fantastic here)
Could go on. And on.
Bobby Roberts
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Skellig Gra
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Look, I'm not going to tell people they are wrong for enjoying it. More power to you tbh. I'm just a cynical old bastard. What I said is a common complaint though. I think a lot of us (perhaps naively) were basically expecting a completely clean slate.
Secret Fawful
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I must be the only person who loved and can hum the themes from VII.
Gnome Scat
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Awesome, however I hope it's a bit more impressive this time around.
brandonh83
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There's this thing composers do, especially on continuations, they call it... recurring motifs.
People must really love to type the word pandering.
BronsonLee
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Eventually you'll just see him in a wheelchair holding up a boombox outside Daisy's apartment
O rite
Skellig Gra
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Are we talking soundtrack or score?
The man is insane. He can't be doing it for the money at this point surely, unless he's doing it for his children/grandchildren. He could be taking it easy, so all the more props to him.
I mean, he'll be 87 in 2019, when Indy 5 will come out. That's pretty nuts.
I still don't know what to expect from Indy 5. There aren't many places that franchise can go at this point, but I do think there's a chance of it being decent if they're going give it the Star Wars treatment - more physical effects, etc. At least George Lucas isn't involved anymore (thank God), and as Spielberg himself has said - he never liked any of the sequels he did because he felt too confident while doing them, as the success of the franchises had been proven at that point. He always claimed his best work was done when he was trying to do something he wasn't sure he could do. Indy 4 wasn't received very well, so hopefully the pressure is on for him again.
His Tintin movie was basically an Indiana Jones movie, and probably the best action adventure movie made by Spielberg since Raiders. Spielberg being inspired (by new technology in that case) and some good scriptwriters (can't beat Edgar Wright, Steven Moffat and Joe Cornish) can do wonders.
I mean, he'll be 87 in 2019, when Indy 5 will come out. That's pretty nuts.
I still don't know what to expect from Indy 5. There aren't many places that franchise can go at this point, but I do think there's a chance of it being decent if they're going give it the Star Wars treatment - more physical effects, etc. At least George Lucas isn't involved anymore (thank God), and as Spielberg himself has said - he never liked any of the sequels he did because he felt too confident while doing them, as the success of the franchises had been proven at that point. He always claimed his best work was done when he was trying to do something he wasn't sure he could do. Indy 4 wasn't received very well, so hopefully the pressure is on for him again.
His Tintin movie was basically an Indiana Jones movie, and probably the best action adventure movie made by Spielberg since Raiders. Spielberg being inspired (by new technology in that case) and some good scriptwriters (can't beat Edgar Wright, Steven Moffat and Joe Cornish) can do wonders.
Pai Pai Master
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Jedi Steps is the best shit ever so cool
brandonh83
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It's probably just more like you paid attention.
Nah I'm with you
Also, Poe's motif deserves more mentions even though it's not particularly long one.
It's arrangement at Starkiller's destruction mixed with Rey's theme and The Force definitely leaves an impression on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itzm8-kcOAg
Uh, Score.
I mean, it's not like there was a pop-music tie-in soundtrack or me talking about a film's literal entire soundtrack in editing.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think it's a common complaint, and even if it was, it doesn't really align with what's actually on the soundtrack: Outside of Han & Leia's theme getting quoted (briefly) twice, the Force theme making its obligatory appearances (what with the Force awakening and all) and Luke's theme getting quoted about five or six times (usually during a heroic getaway), almost all the music is new. It's probably as close to a clean slate as Williams has gotten since 1977, honestly.
I'm not saying you have to like the preponderance of new shit in the score. I also think it's the least of the seven soundtracks. But trying to knock the score for relying heavily on previous cues doesn't make much sense. There's not many previous cues taking up a lot of time.
And I don't think expecting a clean slate was all that realistic, either. It's Star Wars. You're going to get the main title and the Force theme in there.
I don't know. There are people who need their work/hobby to stay alive. Especially if they love it. My grandfather was like that.
brandonh83
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I would say it's the weakest of the seven as well.
"Weakest"
Considering the number of more movies we're going get across the years to come and Williams' age, you'd about be fuckin' crazy to not think that's going to happen eventually.
"Weakest"
Considering the number of more movies we're going get across the years to come and Williams' age, you'd about be fuckin' crazy to not think that's going to happen eventually.
Why would you expect a completely clean slate, though? It was the 7th film in a series that has used iconic recurring themes throughout them. Williams was really quite restrained with the callbacks to the prior films, all things considered.
If we could get a Pirates of the Caribbean score from him and not a Nolan Batman or Man of Steel score, sure
oh I know, I just meant for the numbered entries.
Skellig Gra
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Well there was a soundtrack released for sale which is edited slightly differently than the actual movie score. That's what I was asking about. There is no way the score is 90% new material.
I said it was probably being naive. I was expecting the new trilogy to be a fresh start with just a tiny hint of the old movies. I do agree that he could have hit us on the head a lot more with the old themes.
BronsonLee
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And yeah Williams needs to gtfo and let Giacchino cook
I want him to just Speed Racer all over Star Wars and freak people the fuck out
I want him to just Speed Racer all over Star Wars and freak people the fuck out
brandonh83
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There's probably gonna be X-XII. Giacchino will score those. Yeah, I guess I'm speculating, sure, but nah it'll happen.
Me too. Then again, the metric by which most people judge the score is 'hummability'. And unlike most Star Wars scores, we haven't been listening to Episode VII music for 2+ decades.
brandonh83
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Nah, he said he wants to do them but there was never any concrete certainty.
Rey and the Resistance themes are already iconic to me, I can't wait for those reprisals.
Ohhhh, the complete score. that clears it up. Sorry about that.
I still don't necessarily agree with you though. I've listened to that set and it's predominantly new themes, even if The Force theme jumps in a lot.
The Lamonster
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This is great news. The score has been the best thing about the prequel and sequel movies.
Save it for the spinoffs.
Bobby Roberts
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Sure there is.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. The prequels are disasters as movies, but their soundtracks are all pretty good. Especially Attack of the Clones.
I like Episode VII's score. Rey's theme is great, Jedi Steps is great. It'll probably grow on me more as I hear these songs echoed in the scores for VIII and IX.
And, at the end of the day, John Williams has earned the right to work for as long as he wants to. Form now until the day he rests, he's got good credit with me.
Skellig Gra
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No worries. I think there are several new themes that stand out as high points but the in between is where the score suffers.
Bobby Roberts
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I can't remember much of anything about Last Crusade's score.
Temple of Doom is really fucking good, though.
ViewtifulJC
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Judge soundtracks based on their memorability outside the context of the film brehs
Funny thing about that theme is that every time it touches my eardrums, I'm in love with it.
But once it's done, it just never sticks with me ever.
Skellig Gra
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You are probably right. His work on Indy is somewhat derivative of Star Wars. He's got loads of better scores.
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