Of course not. Why, here's footage recorded from the Oval Office of Trump discussing things with his generals.
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Joint Chiefs: No modification of trans- policy until SecDef issues official guidance
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Of course not. Why, here's footage recorded from the Oval Office of Trump discussing things with his generals.
LiquidSword
Member
They are just saying that an official order hasn't been sent to the Secretary of Defense. This isn't really a yah fuck Trump moment lol. All he needs to do is send an official order. Whether he will or not remains to be seen I guess.
He said he cleared it with his generals.
Skellig Gra
Member
So basically, a tweet isn't an official order. If he officially requests it we will comply immediately.
The Imbecile-in-Chief says a LOT of things.
Besides, he announced this while SecDef Mattis was on vacation.
Clearing with his Generals = Talked to Bannon about it
Lol underrated post
So if I understand correctly, Trump's tweet was the equivalent of thinking just yelling bankruptcy counts as declaring bankruptcy?
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
They have no other choice. They can't even resign unless POTUS accepts the resignation. They could desert or fail to perform their duties, but that's criminal. They could, I guess, claim it's not a lawful order, but as it stands -- seems like it sadly is.
But it's not "immediately." Developing guidance will take a really, really long time.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Technically realDonaldTrump is private citizen Trump, so yes.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
..until the President tells us to not treat our personnel with respect. Awesome President we have here.
I get the impression that there are rifts forming in the Republican party (I mean, some of them must think the guy is losing his marbles), and that the pentagon is about to be done with the guy.
Dead Prince
Banned
fox needs to hurry up and broadcast this. i want to see trumps reaction
I think this was meant to reassure everyone, and as a subtle "we dare you, motherfucker" to Trump.
It will last until Trump makes it official. And there's nothing to stop him. There's is no "good."
I'd say the fact that their commanders aren't jumping on every shitty word the commander-in-chief decides to Tweet out is a small victory, yes.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Trump tweeting that shit and Chiefs saying we are waiting on the paper work?
I mean the dude is president so did he forget to send the orders the right way instead of tweeting his shit?
I mean the dude is president so did he forget to send the orders the right way instead of tweeting his shit?
This is a pretty big deal.
The Joint Chiefs aren't just saying "we won't do it until we get an order," they're saying "we won't do it until we get instruction from the Secretary of Defense."
In other words they're pretty much saying they refuse to take orders from the President on this topic. Even if he wrote it on stationery instead of Twitter, they would wait for SecDef to confirm the orders.
The Joint Chiefs aren't just saying "we won't do it until we get an order," they're saying "we won't do it until we get instruction from the Secretary of Defense."
In other words they're pretty much saying they refuse to take orders from the President on this topic. Even if he wrote it on stationery instead of Twitter, they would wait for SecDef to confirm the orders.
SoundofSilence
Member
He never spoke to anyone.
Electric Eye
Banned
Trump tweeted this decree while the person he should have consulted was on vacation. This motherfucker.
https://twitter.com/AdamBlickstein/status/890212438418829314
https://twitter.com/AdamBlickstein/status/890212438418829314
I mean that's the chain of command. An actual president would have went through those exact avenues if he or she wanted to give an order, Trump just fires off whatever crosses his mind into the void like an awkward, drunken orgasm.
I mean, isn't that the chain of command?
The military holds the chain of command above everything.
Trump probably declared the house plants as having General designations
The reason it's called the chain of command is that it's a chain. If your sergeant isn't around and the lieutenant gives you an order instead, you're still supposed to follow it.
Saying they'll only listen to SecDef is basically saying they won't do things the president says if SecDef thinks they are stupid. Which, I mean, is probably usually the way things work but it's pretty dramatic to just lay it out there.
Probably because most don't realize that he has almost complete power over military policy... But they'll find out soon.
Neuromancer
Member
To actually go through with this will take years of studies, policy creation and training. Trump must literally think that whatever he says instantly becomes the law, yet he's always surprised when that turns out to not be the case.
He does for the most part, but you don't just tweet out some garbage and have it take place the next day. "Don't ask, don't tell" took over two years for Obama to repeal for example.
The president's power is limited to his ability to persuade people to actually listen to him.
I don't follow.
He's the Commander in Chief. His word is law.
As far as I understand there is no further nuance. Receiving some formal order is simply a matter of procedure.
Dead Prince
Banned
press briefing starting soon. press will definitely be talking about this today. good luck Sandlot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9InYdu0IE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9InYdu0IE
No, that's not what's happening. What you just described is a coup. There hasn't been a coup.
All the military is saying here is that they have not received orders from the civilian government. A tweet, even from POTUS, are not proper orders.
The statement literally says "we're waiting for SecDef to tell us what to do."
That's not simply a matter of procedure. SecDef can tell the president he doesn't agree with his policy. Then it won't happen.
The president could then fire Mattis and try to replace him with somebody who will actually tell the military to ban transgender people. That might be difficult.
This is, in general, how the presidency actually works. When people say "his word is law," it's, you know, a metaphor. You still need to convince people that what you want is in their interest for them to actually do it.
Kite
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No shit, all the posters freaking out yesterday were just wasting their energy. Vague tweets aren't policy, and despite what Trump thinks the president isn't a God-King Emperor whose mere 140 characters is law. There are huge consequences to an actual trans military ban, are current trans service members med-boarded or honorably discharged? Do they get their benefits? Even if this bs ban were to go through, there would be years of discussion and planning on how to properly implement it.
Jesus freaking Christ no it's not, go ask Obama how that "president's word is law" thing worked out. Trump is embarrassing as fuck but he can't fuck things up that easily.
Jesus freaking Christ no it's not, go ask Obama how that "president's word is law" thing worked out. Trump is embarrassing as fuck but he can't fuck things up that easily.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Fucking chain of command motha fuckas.
Heh. So Trump.
Think he misspoke. He meant he talked it over with his genitals. He's got voices in his nutsack he listens to before he does anything.
HawksWinStanley
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lmao first thing I thought of.
WaterAstro
Member
Trump to fire the Joint Chiefs.
GoldenEye 007
Member
The press secretary admitted yesterday no underlying policy was developed. And they're relying on the Dept of Defense to write it.
So yeah, the tweet largely was out of nowhere. No real discussions occurred. Maybe with Mattis to give a small heads up, but that's it.