RedAssedApe
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Punisher was excellent. Electra was fine. Like season 1 it lost some steam near the end. Basically after he got out of jail.
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Jon Bernthal's Punisher is one of the GOAT comic book castings (Daredevil Spoilers)
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beyond_death
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Now when's Punisher season 1.
oneils
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But did he know that daredevils mask could withstand a bullet?
And you could make out what was going on clearly.
The three best DD fights (hallway S1, hallway/stairs S2, prison S2) were all (mostly) clearly lit so you could make out what was going on. The S2 finale was particularly bad, especially when Brett yelled 'GET ME A SPOTLIGHT UP THERE SO I CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING' and it was STILL lit in this absurdly dim way. Like don't have characters point out how bad the lighting is and then keep bad lighting.
I thought maybe it was my TV. The only fight scenes that I could really enjoy were the punisher ones. All the Daredevil ninja fights weren't really watchable.
There's a reaction shot of Nobu after Elektra was stabbed, and I swear to God it took me thirty seconds to realise he'd stabbed her instead of her stabbing herself. Talk about visual incompetence.
There's many ways to knock a person out with adequate force that isn't a flip. Let's not pretend it wasn't 100% style, DD doesn't need the flips like Roy does.
He was the focus of the marketing alongside Daredevil and Elektra. His appearance has been known about since June last year. If you managed to go dark, great, but any viewer who saw any marketing knew what they were in for.
tbh I thought the big long Irish scene with all the windup and "who's shooting there must be an army" was pretty lame considering we knew exactly who was coming.
TheWorthyEdge
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Best MCU character hands down. He's amazing.
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I watched up until episode 4. I really enjoyed bernthal as punisher. Great acting.
But i didn't like the punisher. Everyone goes on about how he is so tactical, a one man army. But we never get to see this. His badass stuff is usually offscreen.
And that scene in the hospital... Damn. Clumsily walking blasting everything with a shotgun without actually hitting anything.
The ambush scene was also awkward. He set up the truck and in a matter of seconds he is on the top of a water tower. Full body exposed. Very tactical.
I may be nitpicking though. I definitely want to see more of him as the punisher.
But i didn't like the punisher. Everyone goes on about how he is so tactical, a one man army. But we never get to see this. His badass stuff is usually offscreen.
And that scene in the hospital... Damn. Clumsily walking blasting everything with a shotgun without actually hitting anything.
The ambush scene was also awkward. He set up the truck and in a matter of seconds he is on the top of a water tower. Full body exposed. Very tactical.
I may be nitpicking though. I definitely want to see more of him as the punisher.
Too bad the writing isn't up there at all.
I hated that graveyard scene, I have no idea why it is always named a positive example. I'm only halfway through yet but the plot has been extremely predictable and is as old as it gets. That scene especially, among others, tried so hard at getting an emotion out of me, while I already exactly knew what he was about to say, even some episodes earlier already. It failed miserably and making me feel pity, I just felt bored.
It was already clear after episode 1 that some gangs were responsible for the death of that nameless killer's family, even before being told that he had a family or who he even was.
I hated that graveyard scene, I have no idea why it is always named a positive example. I'm only halfway through yet but the plot has been extremely predictable and is as old as it gets. That scene especially, among others, tried so hard at getting an emotion out of me, while I already exactly knew what he was about to say, even some episodes earlier already. It failed miserably and making me feel pity, I just felt bored.
It was already clear after episode 1 that some gangs were responsible for the death of that nameless killer's family, even before being told that he had a family or who he even was.
Massive Nights
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The graveyard scene tightened up could've been amazing, as it stands it's WAY too long.
More_Badass
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The low angle shot at the end though. Hngggg.
Mangoverboard
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That fucking graveyard scene. Nearly in tears.
Harlock
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Read the Garth Ennis phase of Punisher.
http://berkeleyplaceblog.com/2013/08/30/welcome-back-frank-2000/
http://berkeleyplaceblog.com/2013/08/30/welcome-back-frank-2000/
Markitron
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I have never read a comic book, everything I knew about The Punisher came from the intro cutscene to The Punisher beat-em-up arcade game from the 90's, and even I knew he hadn't been done justice before this.
Stole the show, deserves a shitload of nominations next year. I would give anything to see him line up with Hawkeye and Black Widow in Infinity War. A scene between him and Cap would be worth the admission alone.
Stole the show, deserves a shitload of nominations next year. I would give anything to see him line up with Hawkeye and Black Widow in Infinity War. A scene between him and Cap would be worth the admission alone.
BudokaiMR2
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The worst part of S2 for me is the lack of any good court scenes.
The story didn't really leave any room for them this time which is unfortunate IMO.
The performance is God-tier. And I could see them adapting Ennis stories with ease using this version of The Punisher. Also, maybe the success will get them to re-release the PS2 game on the PS4, which I'd love as it's one of the most fun games I've ever played.
Exploratory
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Yeah it really is GOAT casting.
sparky2112
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He was great in Fury. That menacing slow burn...
chaobreaker
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Really stole the show, but I think we expected that because the dude is an amazing actor.
Didn't expect to have the central emotional element of Season 2 be The Punisher even with that in mind, though. Even though we kind of got that with Fisk as well in Season 1, I actually cared about Frank here beyond a cool dude with a lot of guns and stabbing dudes in the balls.
Didn't expect to have the central emotional element of Season 2 be The Punisher even with that in mind, though. Even though we kind of got that with Fisk as well in Season 1, I actually cared about Frank here beyond a cool dude with a lot of guns and stabbing dudes in the balls.
giancarlo123x
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This legit made me yell "holy fuck!" out loud, I didn't expect to show the blast to the face, was amazing.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Too much PG-13 sensitized us to violence.
I said it once before but I'll say it again; the "all deaths I commit are on you because you didn't kill me" line always reads as absolute bullshit to me.Read the Garth Ennis phase of Punisher.
http://berkeleyplaceblog.com/2013/08/30/welcome-back-frank-2000/
That's just it- the Punisher is full of shit. It's why he gets so pissed at Daredevil for calling him out on being deranged.
Subpar Spatula
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This is bullshit to the extreme as noticed by his generic bad guy aim in the hospital or sniping.
Melvin saying something or seeing through your soul isn't firearm proficiency. This be some strange thinking.
I have yet to see where the Punisher is considered great, he's alright but the writing for the character isn't there as the show needs to constantly tell you his family was murdered before his eyes. Of course Frank's already "dead", that's been noticed since episode 1 when he takes a character 180 to live as a vigilante who murders his people, it takes them 13 episodes for him to actually say it. Jon may walk around with a big dick but the character just plays your emotions like how August Rush does.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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He really did an amazing job. I can see why there was already a punisher series rumor before DD S2 had even released.
Kojirospath
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You should rewatch the episodes again. I took melvins comments too mean frank purposedly didn't mean to kill matt straight away. Hell, next time they meet frank even says at much. And the hospital wasn't random shooting, it was herding. Frank said as much to blondie in the diner scene.
So should you, because he's not saying anything definitively. Frank tried to kill Matt but failed unless he magically knew the alloys in the costume and helmet was strong enough to take bullets. Punisher's shooting is mixed in the show.
Doctor Decimate
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Do you think they spend all this time talking up how great of a shot he is and how he always knows what he's doing for it to mean absolutely nothing when he shoots the hero of the show in the head and the hero of the show then survives? Like, if you wanna argue that it's silly that he somehow knows he's not gonna kill Matt then fine, but it seems pretty clear what they're trying to do here.
SirMossyBloke
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Heh, nice.
Subpar Spatula
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Melvin doesn't know Frank, all that can be summed up is Matt is one lucky fucker. Nothing more. You do not herd in a packed group with a shotgun. Writing errors.
Yes. It's lazy writing similar to how they use the worst CGI imaginable when he blows up the biker's motorcycles: it's all talk and no show which is a big thing. It's partly why people laugh at the ninjas in the show because they talk big game but they're dudes with longbows. Visual confirmation helps the show.
More_Badass
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Let's be real. The only reason why Frank was using a shotgun in that scene is because it looked cooler and more menacing than a pistol
F0rneus
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For some weird reason, the way it was framed....it just screamed Terminator 2 mall to me. Like the shotgun was an homage to that. The way he was dressed and walking too. Then, Ep2 was all about T1 homages in a way.
And Jessica Jones. The shows are the same universe as The Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy, yes?
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He completely nailed it, I would watch the shit out of a standalone show.
Savage. Absolutely savage.
What?! What's wrong with you? Stick is freaking awesome!
Sweet. They have to do a Punisher spin-off, in that case.
I agree, she was fine. She was also really badass and I knew that she'd be stabbed in the last episode when she had her heart to heart with Daredevil inside that locked room. Seeing The Hand make themselves useful and ensure the return of my queen was a welcome surprise. I hope she gains control over those crazy ninjas next season and shows Matt how she feels about being abandoned in the dirt.
I don't know if it's the best casting of a comic character ever. There's Heath Ledger as Joker, Downey Jr. as Tony Stark, Sam L. Jackson as Nick Fury, etc. But he definitely made the part his own and did a superb job with it. He doesn't quite look like how I think many fans picture Frank Castle, nor does he speak in a predictable manner or even emote in predictable ways, but it's undeniable while watching that yes, that is The Punisher.
Top 10 IMO, probably closer to 1-5 than 6-10.
Top 10 IMO, probably closer to 1-5 than 6-10.
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