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[Frozenprince]

how should we know? Yes, no, maybe; your guess is as good as mine

I hope that this is not supposed to be some silly bait attempt - "but tell us how you really think"

there's no denying that our political meddling in the Middle East (in the 20th century perhaps more so than now) didn't have lasting negative effects on the development of the region. The West also messed with many, many other regions and religions over the centuries. Acts of terror are mostly commited by one denomination, though, operating not only in the ME or the West but also in China, the Phillipines, Thailand, Russia, India, the list goes on. This conflict isn't just Islamic Extremists versus the West

Citation needed.

Last I checked, SE Asian govts were waging state sponsored terror campaigns on their Islamic minorities. Russia had burned Chechnya to the ground, India has an equal hand in instigating incidents, and the issues in the Philippines runs far deeper than a religious war.

 

[Dopus]

how should we know? Yes, no, maybe; your guess is as good as mine

I hope that this is not supposed to be some silly bait attempt - "but tell us how you really think"

there's no denying that our political meddling in the Middle East (in the 20th century perhaps more so than now) didn't have lasting negative effects on the development of the region. The West also messed with many, many other regions and religions over the centuries. Acts of terror are mostly commited by one denomination, though, operating not only in the ME or the West but also in China, the Phillipines, Thailand, Russia, India, the list goes on. This conflict isn't just Islamic Extremists versus the West

Many intelligence agencies including Eliza Manningham-Buller, the director general of MI5 have categorically stated that our foreign policy has "substantially" exacerbated the overall threat.

We know as a fact that there is a correlation. It would thus be logical to assume that it has a direct impact. Therefore, we can conclude that it wouldn't be as large of a problem as it is today.

You're also conveniently forgetting extremist monks, Hindu nationalists, and many other groups. Or does it not matter when the victims themselves are Muslim?

 

[Violet_0]

Citation needed.

Last I checked, SE Asian govts were waging state sponsored terror campaigns on their Islamic minorities. Russia had burned Chechnya to the ground, India has an equal hand in instigating incidents, and the issues in the Philippines runs far deeper than a religious war.

all of it true, yes. It's far from being a one-sided affair, but for one reason or another the fundamentalist groups have found themself in a position where they are fighting nearly everyone

You're also conveniently forgetting extremist monks, Hindu nationalists, and many other groups.

I don't, it's just that number-wise they seem far less significant. If all of the sudden there was a new Breivik every other week, we'd be talking about the rise of far-right Christian terrorism

Or does it not matter when the victims themselves are Muslim?

said no one

 

[airmangataosenai]

Citation needed.

Last I checked, SE Asian govts were waging state sponsored terror campaigns on their Islamic minorities. Russia had burned Chechnya to the ground, India has an equal hand in instigating incidents, and the issues in the Philippines runs far deeper than a religious war.

ISIS pledged terror group seized a village in the southern Phillipines.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/isis-...e-for-control-of-city-in-philippines-6655959/

A Bangkok shrine bombing that killed over 20 and injured over 100 2 years ago.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/20/serie...de-bomb-and-gun-attacks-hit-thailand-6585607/

Near monthly terror attacks in Southern Thailand by Islamic separatists.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/asia/jakarta-indonesia-explosion/

ISIS linked suicide bombing in Jakarta last week.

The scary thing is these are just recent events I pulled from memory. I didn't have to look long for any of these.

And I already know you are thinking of the Rohingya situation in Myanmar. It is certainly terrible, but the way it is painted as Buddhist oppression of a peaceful Muslim minority goes well beyond simplistic. Their is a fairly serious armed conflict in that region between the government and Islamic separatists. One which has been ongoing on and off for decades.



https://qz.com/866665/rohingya-cris...erged-in-myanmar-and-india-should-be-worried/

 

[Hux1ey]

Jonathan Pie is the epitomy of the 'both sides' white dude who chastises minorities for speaking up againt oppression, who blames the rise of fascism on feminists, who thinks coddling bigots is the way forward, and who would rather defend the ability of nazis to flourish than protect the safety of others.

You don't like white people, we get it. Chastises minorities for speaking up against oppression? Absolute tosh.

Allowing them to speak =/= coddling.

"The left who are obsessed with diversity as long it isn't diversity of opinion"

 

[IrishNinja]

This schtick is so tired.

agreed, i threw dude in the bushes for his bullshit one after trump that so many found "insightful", god that shit was dumb

I LOVE Jonathan Pie. Ever since his 2016 election rant.

of course you did

"We can't have a conversation" = We can't say fucked up diet racist bullshit without being challenged.

this is the shtick, thank you

Jonathan Pie is the epitomy of the 'both sides' white dude who chastises minorities for speaking up againt oppression, who blames the rise of fascism on feminists, who thinks coddling bigots is the way forward, and who would rather defend the ability of nazis to flourish than protect the safety of others.

And he's definitely not the person to listen to when it comes to handling the complex challenge of multiculturalism in an age steeped in fascist leanings and racial resentment at an all-time high.

exactly this - intellectually vapid wank that stands for nothing but feels mighty in its "both sides" garbage

You don't like white people, we get it. Chastises minorities for speaking up against oppression? Absolute tosh.

Allowing them to speak =/= coddling.

"The left who are obsessed with diversity as long it isn't diversity of opinion"

this is exactly the kind of post i'd exect from someone who finds this douche canoe to be anything more than a guest on joe rogan

if "diversity of opinion" equates indulging fascism & white supremacy, you can keep it. and likewise if that view strikes you as "not liking white people"

 

[Trokil]

if "diversity of opinion" equates indulging fascism & white supremacy, you can keep it. and likewise if that view strikes you as "not liking white people"

Yo mean every opinion you don't share is either Islamophobic, racist, misogynistic or something like that. So it is not valid it in the first place and you don't have to even consider it.

 

[IrishNinja]

Yo mean every opinion you don't share is either Islamophobic, racist, misogynistic or something like that. So it is not valid it in the first place and you don't have to even consider it.

we were talking about something specific here, but don't let that interfere with whatever narrative you're building here

 

[daviyoung]

if "diversity of opinion" equates indulging fascism & white supremacy, you can keep it. and likewise if that view strikes you as "not liking white people"

Based on this comment I checked out the video expecting some rabble-rousing Hopkins-esque diatribe about how the British need to take their country back but all I got was Jonathan Pie calling terrorists religious extremists.

 

[IrishNinja]

Based on this comment I checked out the video expecting some rabble-rousing Hopkins-esque diatribe about how the British need to take their country back but all I got was Jonathan Pie calling terrorists religious extremists.

to be fair: i'm not commenting elusively on OP's video, which i know is poor form. i can't make it through; he has some points, but his US election 2016 video is just so piss-poor that i can't indulge any fuckery past that. he might as well have ended that with an "actually, it's about ethics in game journalism" bit. since that's less relevant to this particular vid though, i'll take a bow.

 

[Hux1ey]

this is exactly the kind of post i'd exect from someone who finds this douche canoe to be anything more than a guest on joe rogan

if "diversity of opinion" equates indulging fascism & white supremacy, you can keep it. and likewise if that view strikes you as "not liking white people"

Lol It's Lime, he has a history of shitting on "white dudes". He is the one who always makes the distinction.

Dude not everyone who doesn't share your views is a racist, this is the trouble, it's always one extreme to the other nowadays.

Pie also discussed this in his Trump video. Voted Trump? You're a racist KKK member, all this does is push people away from the left. But lemme guess, good right? Fuck those transphobic xenophobes. Yup just keep going that way and see how long we have shitty republican presidents.

to be fair: i'm not commenting elusively on OP's video, which i know is poor form. i can't make it through; he has some points, but his US election 2016 video is just so piss-poor that i can't indulge any fuckery past that. he might as well have ended that with an "actually, it's about ethics in game journalism" bit. since that's less relevant to this particular vid though, i'll take a bow.

Lol bloody hell.

 

[Ridisc]

How people like IrishNinja function in the world is beyond me, they cant, their perspective has become so warped over time

 

[Trokil]

"The left who are obsessed with diversity as long it isn't diversity of opinion"

This would include, that somebody may disagree with you and you are not joining a political party, a group or a discussion board for that. You are doing this to have your opinion validated by as many people as possible.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Serious question, has any of the muslim countries ever publicly condemned one of these attacks done in the name of religion?

No shit. Use your fucking brain for once.

UAE:
http://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/uae-and-world-leaders-condemn-manchester-terror-attack

Saudi:
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...-Arabia-condemns-Manchester-bomb-attack-.html

Bahrain:
http://www.newsofbahrain.com/viewNews.php?ppId=33725&TYPE=Posts&pid=21&MNU=18&SUB=1

Oman:
http://timesofoman.com/article/1096...f-Foreign-Affairs-condemns-Manchester-bombing

Libya:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-05/26/c_136317350.htm

Iran:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/413688/Iran-condemns-Manchester-terror-attack

Indonesia:
http://www.en.netralnews.com/news/c...ter.indonesia.condemns.manchester.bomb.attack

Egypt:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-05/23/c_136307948.htm

Turkey:
http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/05/23/turkeys-erdogan-condemns-manchester-atta?videoId=371733978

Yemen:
http://en.althawranews.net/2017/05/foreign-minister-condemns-manchester-terror-attack/

Malaysia:
http://annx.asianews.network/content/najib-condemns-deadly-manchester-attack-46509

Jordan:
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1103936/saudi-arabia

Kuwait:
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2613423&language=en

Palestine:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...d-president-abbas-palestinian-authority-joint

Nigeria:
http://www.nan.ng/news/osinbajo-mourns-tv-reporter-condemns-manchester-bombing/

Sudan:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201705240314.html

Morocco:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-05/24/c_136309054.htm

Algeria:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-05/24/c_136309074.htm

Bangladesh:
http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2017/05/24/pm-hasina-condemns-barbaric-terrorist-attack-in-manchester

India:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...ndemn-blast/story-zpRD3YRPOfyONMUKouaWjJ.html

Afghanistan:
https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/867015904021950467

Pakistan:
https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/05/pakistan-condemns-manchester-blast/

Syria (Muslim Brotherhood):
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/23-may-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-syria-releases-statement

Somalia:
http://radiodalsan.com/en/somalia-condemns-manchester-terror-attack-says-ready-to-stand-by-uk/

All the gulf countries collectively:
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ndemns-deadly-attack-on-Manchester-Arena.html

 

[Kaiterra]

I thought this dipstick was ridiculously overrated with that post-election video and I see he's only continuing to meet my expectations every time a new one comes up. People keep lauding this "the left cares about diversity as long as it's not diversity of opinion" line but what exactly are the valuable opinions that the left suppresses? If it's all unhelpful bullshit like "Islam is actually inherently terroristic" then you can miss me with that.

 

[Jumeira]

Please explain how this applies to 28 Coptic Christians in Egypt who were victicms to a terrorist attack.

Please expain how this applies to underaged girls in Manchester who were victicms to a terrorist attack.?

Easily, it's ISIS extremists and our actions allowed them to surface, ISIS were literally formed due to the conditions we created from our wars, they are from the battlefield left by our intervention, with a form of extremism that even AQ reject, we aid thier recruitment with every civilian we (accidentally) kill and provide recruitment justification of West vs Islam that they push on those wanting to reconcile with thier loss or grievances, that's quite powerful, as it's borderless indoctrination. Once turned their soldiers would do whatever thier manipulators want, it's not hard to put together. ISIS believe Christians are infidels when Islam is quite clear that they are the people of the book, cousins, yet they launch attacks against them AND muslims.

The muslims who are victims of terror can easily distinguish extremism and Islam they follow, it's an alien concept that they fully support being eradicated, it's counter productive to sum it up as Islam as that's wholly inaccurate and misses the range of complex issues at play here.