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Bootaaay said:
Their finishing combo would've been awesome too - Kaval with a handspring gamengiri into the corner, setting up the opponent for an Air Bourne. Or maybe stereo reverse springboard gamengiri's from both guys.
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Did I ever tell you how much I like your fantasy booking?
 
Bootaaay said:
Their finishing combo would've been awesome too - Kaval with a handspring gamengiri into the corner, setting up the opponent for an Air Bourne. Or maybe stereo reverse springboard gamengiri's from both guys.
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Warriors way followed by shooting star press for the cover. Nothing will ever top the stomp/cop killer though.
 
Assuming if Del Rio gets a match at the next PPV...

If Del Rio doesn't win we Del Riot.
 
Shadowlink said:
I never saw a rule for fantasy booking. I think it was just Spindashing being annoyed of it lol
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every time i read fantasy booking someone would bitch about it. Im not sure who those were though. I dont think it was just an annoyance response though.
 
bangai-o said:
every time i read fantasy booking someone would bitch about it. Im not sure who those were though. I dont think it was just an annoyance response though.
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What if we fantasy book about fantasy booking? Will that work?
 
Fantasy booking is just bad in general though. It's like seeing polls of "Who is the cooler character, Cloud Strife or Squall?" kind of level of...discussion.

I'm sure not all of you would agree with me, but it just gets old seeing people talk about what they have come up with as a good idea...usually because these good ideas are horrific.

It's different when you set things up, explain them, get into it a bit - but the 'fantasy booking' I hate are things like "maybe after the ppv then REY comes out and 619s Orton and WINS AGAIN" etc etc.

Anyway, I like good discussion, so let's bring it on back - is there a single person on the roster who would benefit properly and most effectively by going over Taker for the end of his streak? Most people will say no, but let's pretend Taker wants to go out with a loss (and he probably does) - who would benefit most, in the right way?

Honestly I have no answer for this. I do not know.
 
This revolution got everybody actin' all awkward, and forcing "serious" discussion instead of naturally evolving conversations.

Wrestling is real, people are fake.

EDIT: And the Bill Simmons/Punk interview is great. Summerslam coming up so quickly pretty much did rush them into bringing Punk back.
 
Sunflower said:
Anyway, I like good discussion, so let's bring it on back - is there a single person on the roster who would benefit properly and most effectively by going over Taker for the end of his streak? Most people will say no, but let's pretend Taker wants to go out with a loss (and he probably does) - who would benefit most, in the right way?

Honestly I have no answer for this. I do not know.
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I think they need another monster to beat Taker's streak, but the trouble is that none of the big guys WWE hire are capable of stringing together a good match. Would anyone want Ezekiel Jackson or Mason Ryan going over Taker? Would anyone even want to see those match-ups? Because they sound horrible on paper and probably would be even worse in reality.

I seriously can't believe WWE passed up on Morishima when he was over in the US. He worked a dark match but Vince apparently thought he was too baby-faced and fat, when the fact is that Morishima is one of the best huge guys in the industry today and a guy who, unlike the majority of the WWE roster, could legitimately match up to Taker's size and power and put on a fucking awesome match while doing so.

Plywood said:
Did I ever tell you how much I like your fantasy booking?
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Vince needs to give me the damn book. Or just hire Jim Cornette as head of creative.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
This revolution got everybody actin' all awkward, and forcing "serious" discussion instead of naturally evolving conversations.

Wrestling is real, people are fake.
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That's deep man.
Bootaaay said:
Vince needs to give me the damn book. Or just hire Jim Cornette as head of creative.
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Did Jim even leave on good terms?
 
Sunflower said:
Anyway, I like good discussion, so let's bring it on back - is there a single person on the roster who would benefit properly and most effectively by going over Taker for the end of his streak? Most people will say no, but let's pretend Taker wants to go out with a loss (and he probably does) - who would benefit most, in the right way?

Honestly I have no answer for this. I do not know.
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Under current conditions? Danielson. He was trained by Shawn Michaels (both in reality and established kayfabe), so there are already elements of a story there. Also, if we're heading into an era more centred in reality it would set him up as a bad motherfucker who can outwrestle giants and legends despite his stature.

I'm not saying this would be a good idea, but it's the best I can come up with
 
they should take away Mason Ryan for a while and we forget about him. Then next year a huge guy in a Bane-like outfit starts wreaking havoc in the WWE and only the Undertaker can stop him
black bars for fantasy booking
 
Perspicacity said:
Under current conditions? Danielson. He was trained by Shawn Michaels (both in reality and established kayfabe), so there are already elements of a story there. Also, if we're heading into an era more centred in reality it would set him up as a bad motherfucker who can outwrestle giants and legends despite his stature.

I'm not saying this would be a good idea, but it's the best I can come up with
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Thing is, they'd have to build this starting RIGHT now. Like Boootay said, there's nobody credible + monster. Ryan, Jackson? Neither please. Who can inherit his 'legacy' by going over him?

I know Taker wants what's best for the business, and traditionally, you leave the business on your back. Will Vince let him? If the talent roster stays so shallow...I think so.

With Taker leaving, that's the last and final remnant of what the WWE once was - larger than life characters, silly shit, etc...Is it truly the end?
 
Perspicacity said:
Under current conditions? Danielson. He was trained by Shawn Michaels (both in reality and established kayfabe), so there are already elements of a story there. Also, if we're heading into an era more centred in reality it would set him up as a bad motherfucker who can outwrestle giants and legends despite his stature.

I'm not saying this would be a good idea, but it's the best I can come up with
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Too bad he's already booked for Wrestlemania, mirite?
 
Professor Beef said:
Too bad he's already booked for Wrestlemania, mirite?
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Taker could just end up with the World Title by Mania.

The issue is now WWE has booked both the WWE title (Rock vs Cena) and booked Danielson for a title match at Mania. Which means if they're going for Taker/Bryan then they have to figure out what to do with the Royal Rumble winner. The RR winner is already fucked at this point.
 
I was thinking Daniel, but that's cause I keep imagining Daniel as Rabid Wolverine 2.0. Or Sheamus because he's a great worker and has a good size but they'd have to position either of these guys very strongly starting now.
 
bangai-o said:
they should take away Mason Ryan for a while and we forget about him. Then next year a huge guy in a Bane-like outfit starts wreaking havoc in the WWE and only the Undertaker can stop him
black bars for fantasy booking
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and he always gets rolled out on a dolly, and needs to be unleashed by one of the Divas who has gone Insane
 
Plywood said:
I was thinking Daniel, but that's cause I keep imagining Daniel as Rabid Wolverine 2.0. Or Sheamus because he's a great worker and has a good size.
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Yknow, he could be. D-Brine could be vicious, but the tie incident really spooked, well, everyone and he's afraid to show some teeth, or instructed not to. He could have been so goddamn fucking crazy! But alas. Toys must be sold.
 
bangai-o said:
and he always gets rolled out on a dolly, and needs to be unleashed by one of the Divas who has gone Insane
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Kelly Kelly because she wants to protect herself for when Kharma returns! They play vignettes of Kharma returning and Kelly Kelly grows more and more paranoid until she brings this man to protect her.
Sunflower said:
Yknow, he could be. D-Brine could be vicious, but the tie incident really spooked, well, everyone and he's afraid to show some teeth, or instructed not to. He could have been so goddamn fucking crazy! But alas. Toys must be sold.
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PG hinders once again.
 
Plywood said:
I was thinking Daniel, but that's cause I keep imagining Daniel as Rabid Wolverine 2.0. Or Sheamus because he's a great worker and has a good size but they'd have to position either of these guys very strongly starting now.
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Didn't Daniel say he's going to tap anyone out? I kinda do see him as Chris Benoit 2.0 now that you mention it.
 
Sunflower said:
Fantasy booking is just bad in general though. It's like seeing polls of "Who is the cooler character, Cloud Strife or Squall?" kind of level of...discussion.

I'm sure not all of you would agree with me, but it just gets old seeing people talk about what they have come up with as a good idea...usually because these good ideas are horrific.

It's different when you set things up, explain them, get into it a bit - but the 'fantasy booking' I hate are things like "maybe after the ppv then REY comes out and 619s Orton and WINS AGAIN" etc etc.

Anyway, I like good discussion, so let's bring it on back - is there a single person on the roster who would benefit properly and most effectively by going over Taker for the end of his streak? Most people will say no, but let's pretend Taker wants to go out with a loss (and he probably does) - who would benefit most, in the right way?

Honestly I have no answer for this. I do not know.
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As for the first part of your post are you saying that the outlandish and more jokey fantasy booking situations are the ones that irk you the most? I guess it gets a bit old seeing the whole Super Cena swerve finish joke numerous times but damn if situations like the one on Raw don't add merit to them. As far as fantasy booking in general goes I don't see too much of a problem, its just an extension of exchanging thoughts and ideas on the direction a story could take, sure some of them may be complete crap but I don't see a need for posts immediately cutting down peoples ideas on the sheer notion of "oh Nooo! fantasy booking!".

As for the second part, last year before HHH was set to face Taker a number of people threw Sheamus and Barrett around as ideas, while both wrestlers have lost some steam recently I think they could be built as a credible threat to Taker's streak. The only real threats are either big time legendary wrestlers or very bright up and comers when it comes down to it. Then again a few years back I remember people thinking Ted DiBiase could be a solid candidate....yikes.
 
Plywood said:
I was thinking Daniel, but that's cause I keep imagining Daniel as Rabid Wolverine 2.0. Or Sheamus because he's a great worker and has a good size but they'd have to position either of these guys very strongly starting now.
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They are starting to build Daniel Bryan now but he is going for the title at Wrestlemania and not the undertaker unless he has the title.
 
somedevil said:
They are starting to build Daniel Bryan now but he is going for the title at Wrestlemania and not the undertaker unless he has the title.
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Give Undertaker the strap a month before Wrestlemania.
 
Plywood said:
Did Jim even leave on good terms?
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Nah, he pissed in everyone's cornflakes because he couldn't hold his tongue in the face of overwhelming creative stupidity, and when he slapped Santino a ton of times for ruining a bit in OVW that was the straw the broke the camels back so they fired him.

I still believe Cornette has one of the best minds in the business, knows the in's and out's of getting heat like no other and that tag team wrestling in the WWE wouldn't be dead if Jimmy was in charge, but for better or for worse he's always going to speak his mind and tell people that their ideas are dumb if he doesn't agree with them.
 
Nocturnowl said:
As for the first part of your post are you saying that the outlandish and more jokey fantasy booking situations are the ones that irk you the most? I guess it gets a bit old seeing the whole Super Cena swerve finish joke numerous times but damn if situations like the one on Raw don't add merit to them. As far as fantasy booking in general goes I don't see too much of a problem, its just an extension of exchanging thoughts and ideas on the direction a story could take, sure some of them may be complete crap but I don't see a need for posts immediately cutting down peoples ideas on the sheer notion of "oh Nooo! fantasy booking!".

As for the second part, last year before HHH was set to face Taker a number of people threw Sheamus and Barrett around as ideas, while both wrestlers have lost some steam recently I think they could be built as a credible threat to Taker's streak. The only real threats are either big time legendary wrestlers or very bright up and comers when it comes down to it. Then again a few years back I remember people thinking Ted DiBiase could be a solid candidate....yikes.
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Eh it's just that there's a lot of bad ideas out there and they're a dime a dozen, that's all I really meant. It's one thing to muse on a what-if scenario, but it's another when people get all...weird. I think we're all just knee-jerk "NO!" to it, myself included!

Thing about Taker is...it's not going to be someone new in the next half year. It just isn't. That's a foolish choice, not to say the WWE hasn't done foolish choices before (Lex Express) so...I'm going with my original thought of Taker probably won't go this year (or any subsequent ones) and is done.
 
According to Cornette, he's pretty sure he saved Santino's life because if Cornette hadn't slapped the shit out of him, the Boogeyman would have beaten the living daylights out of Santino.
 
Bootaaay said:
I still believe Cornette has one of the best minds in the business, knows the in's and out's of getting heat like no other and that tag team wrestling in the WWE wouldn't be dead if Jimmy was in charge, but for better or for worse he's always going to speak his mind and tell people that their ideas are dumb if he doesn't agree with them.
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Yes, he does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_YWuMsumrY

Look at him carry that promo and elevate it.
 
Bootaaay said:
Nah, he pissed in everyone's cornflakes because he couldn't hold his tongue in the face of overwhelming creative stupidity, and when he slapped Santino a ton of times for ruining a bit in OVW that was the straw the broke the camels back so they fired him.
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dream said:
Santino deserved to get slapped for that. In another era he would have been fired.
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What did Santino do now?
 
dream said:
He killed Boogeyman's gimmick in OVW by laughing at him when he debuted.
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Was the Boogeyman ever supposed to be taken seriously? it always felt like a joke gimmick to me which is certainly what it became at any rate. Seems like it's one of those things that could have gone either way depending on how well it was portrayed, hearing this brief story snippet makes me think that perhaps it was supposed to be at least somewhat serious at first.

Or maybe Santino was just laughing at The Boogeyman's rather inept wrestling ability.
 
Nocturnowl said:
Or maybe Santino was just laughing at The Boogeyman's rather inept wrestling ability.
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The irony.

I was going to say the character must have been serious for Cornette to get that pissed off. But it doesn't take much to piss off Cornette
 
Sunflower said:
Anyway, I like good discussion, so let's bring it on back - is there a single person on the roster who would benefit properly and most effectively by going over Taker for the end of his streak? Most people will say no, but let's pretend Taker wants to go out with a loss (and he probably does) - who would benefit most, in the right way?

Honestly I have no answer for this. I do not know.
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Jack Swagger, he seems to have done nothing these past months and breaking Taker's streak would set him up to be a credible heel for a long time.
 
I think Bobby Roode must be the only wrestler TNA have successfully managed to make interesting/push. From his days in Team Canada you'd never have thought he'd be one of the more entertaining wrestlers in TNA today.
 
Boogeyman was supposed to be a serious monster heel.

And I understand why Santino laughed at him...especially since Boogeyman wore, like, antlers on his head in OVW. But you're still supposed to be a professional.
 
So it was intended to be serious, just goes to show how responses and reactions can make or kill a gimmick. Okay that much is obvious but what if people initially scoffed at The Undertaker? it is a pretty outlandish gimmick after all and we could have missed out there that's for sure.
 
Boogeyman's character has its own little niche. Santino's character now and how it's been for THREE 'FUCKING YEARS is surely one that's runs its course.
 
NubCakes09 said:
Jack Swagger, he seems to have done nothing these past months and breaking Taker's streak would set him up to be a credible heel for a long time.
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Thats a good choice actually. I think giving it to a monster like Mason Ryan or Ezekiel Jackson is a waste since those guys will eventually lose momentum like all monsters do. Swagger will be around for a while and having him break the streak will give him something unique to get heat.
I can never decide if someone should actually break the streak or not though. It's the right thing for business I guess since Taker will be finished and it puts over a younger guy but I also like Taker having done something no one else has.
 
spindashing said:
WTF, welcome to the community brother.
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Thanks. Wrestling-Gaf was one of the main reasons I wanted to join GAF. You talking to the man that still plays GiantGram2000 on his DC, same with Firepro. I even bought the King Of Colosseum games on the PS2. We still get down on my block with No Mercy on the N64 my dude. Anyway, back to Gaf-Hop.

Thanks Bootaaay on that Noah vid. Is good to know, Go Shiozaki got the belt. It would be awesome if CM Punk would defend the belt at ROH....a man can dream, right?
 
dream said:
Boogeyman was supposed to be a serious monster heel.

And I understand why Santino laughed at him...especially since Boogeyman wore, like, antlers on his head in OVW. But you're still supposed to be a professional.
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Boogeyman was supposed to be a monster heel? Hah.
 
bean breath said:
Bill Simmons' B.S. Report w/ C.M. Punk is up:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=6808291&autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO
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It's amazing how many guys have their fingers on the pulse of what the non-Cena audience wants, yet the higher ups in the company seem so reluctant to do different things. There's no problem with having Cena as the vanilla good guy that the kids can get behind, but there should also be a variety of characters and situations happening in every division. I imagine Punk has had to fight for every good thing that's happened in the past month like he's never fought before.
 
Striker said:
Boogeyman's character has its own little niche. Santino's character now and how it's been for THREE 'FUCKING YEARS is surely one that's runs its course.
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At one point I think Regal was really behind the idea of improving Santino's in ring abilities under the impression that the wrestling improvement along with his mic skills could make him much bigger than he currently is, though I don't have a source on that.

Santino has always been very hit or miss for me, one week he could be gold but the next it was Hornswoggle level stuff, sadly stuff like the cobra really doesn't help. His part at the end of the rumble this year was great though.
 
For proper context, this was Boogeyman's original look

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ShinobiFist said:
Thanks. Wrestling-Gaf was one of the main reasons I wanted to join GAF. You talking to the man that still plays GiantGram2000 on his DC, same with Firepro. I even bought the King Of Colosseum games on the PS2. We still get down on my block with No Mercy on the N64 my dude. Anyway, back to Gaf-Hop.

Thanks Bootaaay on that Noah vid. Is good to know, Go Shiozaki got the belt. It would be awesome if CM Punk would defend the belt at ROH....a man can dream, right?
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Thats really cool, welcome!
 
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