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[Superflat]

Screen Junkies debate on the trailer.

The negative guy didn't have a strong argument, leaning too much on wanting the same film as JP and complaining about CG, which isn't indicative of any film's actual quality. But I think the skepticism he displays is earned, because I don't think the information was presented well in the trailer. I didn't want the trailer to be full of raptors and t-rex shots, but I wanted some compelling footage and better dialogue clips than what was shown. All the character shots were weirdly super plain and featured them standing and staring into nothing.

The positive guy was also taking an extreme side of liking everything that was in the trailer, but he was embracing change and I agreed when he said the previous JP sequels were redundant, and that Jurassic World is taking the story and moving it forward.

 

[Kinsei]

The negative guy didn't have a strong argument, leaning too much on wanting the same film as JP and complaining about CG, which isn't indicative of any film's actual quality. But I think the skepticism he displays is earned, and I don't think the information was presented well in the trailer.

The positive guy was also taking an extreme side of liking everything that was in the trailer, but he was embracing change and I agreed when he said the previous JP sequels were redundant, and that Jurassic World is taking the story and moving it forward.

People didn't like JP 2 and 3 because they were too much like the original? I disliked them for the exact opposite reason. They changed too much IMO.

 

[Hermii]

The negative guy didn't have a strong argument, leaning too much on wanting the same film as JP and complaining about CG, which isn't indicative of any film's actual quality. But I think the skepticism he displays is earned, because I don't think the information was presented well in the trailer. I didn't want the trailer to be full of raptors and t-rex shots, but I wanted some compelling footage and better dialogue clips than what was shown. All the character shots were weirdly super plain and featured them standing and staring into nothing.

The positive guy was also taking an extreme side of liking everything that was in the trailer, but he was embracing change and I agreed when he said the previous JP sequels were redundant, and that Jurassic World is taking the story and moving it forward.

I think CG is definitly a valid argument in this case. I want to see some very real looking dinosaurs in JP.

 

[Scorpion Soldier]

I think CG is definitly a valid argument in this case. I want to see some very real looking dinosaurs in JP.

CG can barely be judged on a trailer released over 6 month before the actual release, which most likely contains material that was given to the PR department a few weeks in advance. Post production won't be completed for months.

 

[brandonh83]

People didn't like JP 2 and 3 because they were too much like the original? I disliked them for the exact opposite reason. They changed too much IMO.

Yep. My biggest beef with the sequels so far is that they were just thin lines that stretched out of the original film, if that makes sense. Part of the allure of the original was the idea of a theme park full of dinosaurs. The sequels lacked this. Jurassic World, while it may be criticized for repeating the premise of the first film, has new ideas but retains that concept. That's what I like about it. To me it looks like an actual continuation of the ideas of the first movie while introducing new concepts that are still in-line with the established context.

I think CG is definitly a valid argument in this case. I want to see some very real looking dinosaurs in JP.

Judging the CG in the teaser is utterly pointless. Some extras said that the production assistants were telling them what shots were being filmed for the teaser and that most of the shots in the teaser consisted of those shots or largely unfinished ones.

 

[Hermii]

Yep. My biggest beef with the sequels so far is that they were just thin lines that stretched out of the original film, if that makes sense. Part of the allure of the original was the idea of a theme park full of dinosaurs. The sequels lacked this. Jurassic World, while it may be criticized for repeating the premise of the first film, has new ideas but retains that concept. That's what I like about it. To me it looks like an actual continuation of the ideas of the first movie while introducing new concepts that are still in-line with the established context.



Judging the CG in the teaser is utterly pointless. Some extras said that the production assistants were telling them what shots were being filmed for the teaser and that most of the shots in the teaser consisted of those shots or largely unfinished ones.

This is good news. Thanks

 

[Superflat]

People didn't like JP 2 and 3 because they were too much like the original? I disliked them for the exact opposite reason. They changed too much IMO.

A JP sequel is always going to be doomed from Catch 22. The premise and the unfolding of the story is so unique to it that you can't really replicate it again. That leads to big changes being made.

But from certain perspectives, not a lot changes in TLW from JP. TLW leans on the conveniently created premise that there is a second human-run island called Isla Sorna (that has been abandoned, just like Isla Nublar) with even more dinosaurs in it than the first movie. Hammond is replaced with inGEN, as they are also trying to create another dinosaur park, and Ian's team is there once again to teach them that they're in the wrong. Ultimately, nothing really advanced because it was about planning to build another park about dinosaurs. Instead of Hammond making a park in JP, it was his nephew making a park in TLW. Still, I enjoyed this film more than most, as I've made several super long posts about why I liked it.

The third film is more of a spin-off, but it still recycles plenty of material from the previous movies. The premise depends on tricking Grant for a second time, using the exact same method: We'll pay for your dig if you come with us to dinosaur island. Many of the dinosaur encounters are slightly tweaked but are ultimately rehashes from JP and TLW with the exception of the flying dinosaur cage.

Jurassic World is finally advancing the plans from TLW where a new park is created and fully functional, and is more in line with Hammond's original vision, at least it looks that way from the outside. It's owned by a different company that bought out inGEN, and has taken their success for granted. Advances on the existing science has been made, from a genetics standpoint and from a academic standpoint, leading to new creations and understanding raptor behavior and intelligence. Altogether I find it to be a much more refreshing place to build a story while still keeping the core themes and thrills that Jurassic Park has to offer.

 

[brandonh83]

This is good news. Thanks

Yeah... I loved the teaser because I love the look of the new park and the new concepts like the hybrid and the raptor pack excites me. That's why it worked for me as a teaser. That being said, yes, some of the CG looked rough and again, apparently, some of the shots were strictly made for the teaser, I guess as just a way to establish the ideas of the setting and story.

A handful of the line deliveries were stale, but they usually end up using different takes anyway. If you watch a movie and then go back and watch the trailers, nine times out of ten you'll notice that the shots and acting differ from the final product.

I wish they would have crafted a more solid teaser, in that it having more legitimate shots that may have turned less people off, but it still looked good IMO and has generated excitement.

 

[More_Badass]

I think the crazy thing about the overly negative opinions here is that they're acting like 1) this trailer is the be all-end all, and they understand everything about the movie and 2) judging the quality of the movie based on the trailer

How many times have second, third, international, extended trailers released and totally changed people's opinions of a movie?

 

[Verger]

Watching the Jurassic Park trilogy in TV has made me hyped again. And actually, watching the original makes it all the more to me seem like Jurassic World is a proper sequel to Jurassic Park for the reasons others have said in that it is taking the ideas of John Hammond and making them a reality.

I just heard how he described it.

"The most advanced amusement Park in the world...spared no expense"

"We've created living biological attractions to dazzle the mind"

This to me shows "Jurassic World" is more an amusement park rather than a Zoo. Like others have said an amusement park is something that has to keep reinventing itself and adding newer attractions and rides as the years go by, they cannot simply keep the same stuff otherwise they'll be obsolete. This is the issue a place like JW would get affected by. Even Samuel L Jacksons character in the original said "we've got all the problems of a major theme park and a major zoo" and no doubt the case is even more true for JW and the costs involved in keeping it running smoothly and without incident. So it no doubt requires a super high attendance rate to stay profitable, and if attendance dips or becomes "zoo" levels, then they'd be in jeopardy.

For the people sort of complaining about the "Genetically engineered Dinos"...um....yeah. Jurassic Park made absolutely no bones that the Dinos themselves are completely genetically engineered, from the Mr. DNA kids show describing the Frog DNA usage to Dr. Wu's arrogant claims of genetically controlling the population to make them only females for their security precautions.

So yeah, the premise of Jurassic World seems very grounded in JP lore to me. The Ingen execs took over and managed to somehow bring Hammonds vision to reality and supposedly managed to avoid any incidents (that we know of) for the entire 10 years the park has been open.

I simply do not see why it is 'farfetched' to think that greedy executives would take Hammonds words of "creating living biological attractions" to the next level with the tagline of "something that has never been seen on Earth before!", especially when they have had a decade to work on genetic engineering and Dr. Wu's supposed advocacy for such things.

But in the words of Ian Malcom

"John, the kind of control you're attempting simply is... it's not possible. If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is."

"Don't you see the danger, John, inherent in what you're doing here? Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet's ever seen, but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun"

"Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."

So yeah, the Ingen execs and Dr. Wu will ignore Malcom's words yet again and set the whole thing in motion. Why? Well remember, these are people operating under the illusionary arrogance that they've had total control for the past 10 years with no incident and will take the "extreme precautions" and spare no expense that Hammond thought he did. But well..

life finds a way

 

[Timu]

I think it did a fine job at introducing the new park and kind of what it's all about. It's definitely a thrown-together trailer though. I imagine future trailers being way better.

Later trailers are almost always better so that gives me hope.=p

 

[Manu]

Great post, Verger.

 

[Skab]

So I know I'm probably late, but has the tweet from the director about the gate not being cg/that shot being only for the trailer been posted?

 

[Verger]

Great post, Verger.

Thanks!

Looking at the Jurassic World trailer again also in a way assures me that this film is simply taking what the first film introduced to the next level. You hear the same arrogance of Dr Wu's assurances in Bryce Dallas Howard's character's proclamations on their advances in genetic engineering. They probably figure they'd know exactly what the subject of their tests would be capable of, but no doubt it will surprise them, hence the scene of them being shocked at it supposedly climbing the tall walls.

In the original we go back to the "Flea circus" talk and the "Illusion of control" which is what is no doubt what Dr Wu and the geneticists are working under in this film, thinking they could create a neatly categorized new monster and know all it can and will do....

Again, the premise to me seems logical. After 10 years of a "perfect record" on safety, and being "in control" of things, they're going to fall into the trap of "hubris" and believe they can just create something new. And they have all the more motivation with the corporation execs standing behind and encouraging them to do so in order to bring profitability back to the park.

"Creation is an act of WILL!" as spoken by Hammond. And as timeless as ever, human will often brings forth unforeseen consequences.

 

[bengraven]

Speaking of "life finds a way", I remembered Hammond's last line from LW and I finally realized what I should have when I was an 18 year old numbskull...that he was finally agreeing with Malcolm. A nice way to end the "duology".

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I just realized why the devilsaur has stealth capabilities.

They initially genetically engineered the color shifting properties of certain cuttlefish species into it, for the purpose of a bright and color changing attraction - they just didn't realize that the creature would use it to shift its color in accordance to the background.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I just realized why the devilsaur has stealth capabilities.

They initially genetically engineered the color shifting properties of certain cuttlefish species into it, for the purpose of a bright and color changing attraction - they just didn't realize that the creature would use it to shift its color in accordance to the background.

Yep which is why there's speculation that when it said it climbed over, perhaps it never did!

 

[demosthenes]

Great post, Verger.

I agree!

 

[brandonh83]

Later trailers are almost always better so that gives me hope.=p

For sure. Maybe this teaser being rough will surprise people later once they have... well, simply more to show, actual effects shots that are much further along, etc.

The only worry I have with this movie is that, frankly, I think the new park looks incredibly awesome and I sincerely hope that it gets enough screentime. I know the story moves on to different things later (as it should) but the new park is just so huge and ambitious and visually interesting that I hope we get to see enough of it.

This is also why I hope the movie is at least 2 hours or longer. I don't want this to be too short.

edit: and yes, excellent post Verger. You did a good job of summing up exactly why some of us feel that Jurassic World is a legit sequel to the first movie. It's not just someone going back to the island or someone getting stranded or whatever. It's taking those original themes and ideas and expanding upon them.

 

[strafer]

 

[brandonh83]

I love Jurassic Park 3

u wat m8

 

[Jawmuncher]

For sure. Maybe this teaser being rough will surprise people later once they have... well, simply more to show, actual effects shots that are much further along, etc.

The only worry I have with this movie is that, frankly, I think the new park looks incredibly awesome and I sincerely hope that it gets enough screentime. I know the story moves on to different things later (as it should) but the new park is just so huge and ambitious and visually interesting that I hope we get to see enough of it.

This is also why I hope the movie is at least 2 hours or longer. I don't want this to be too short.

edit: and yes, excellent post Verger. You did a good job of summing up exactly why some of us feel that Jurassic World is a legit sequel to the first movie. It's not just someone going back to the island or someone getting stranded or whatever. It's taking those original themes and ideas and expanding upon them.

Agreed. Especially abotu Vergers post.

I really think though that the park is going to get a decent amount of screen time.
Can't see them going through all that work and dropping it. Also see it being the longest film easily in the franchise.

 

[Verger]

For sure. Maybe this teaser being rough will surprise people later once they have... well, simply more to show, actual effects shots that are much further along, etc.

The only worry I have with this movie is that, frankly, I think the new park looks incredibly awesome and I sincerely hope that it gets enough screentime. I know the story moves on to different things later (as it should) but the new park is just so huge and ambitious and visually interesting that I hope we get to see enough of it.

This is also why I hope the movie is at least 2 hours or longer. I don't want this to be too short.

edit: and yes, excellent post Verger. You did a good job of summing up exactly why some of us feel that Jurassic World is a legit sequel to the first movie. It's not just someone going back to the island or someone getting stranded or whatever. It's taking those original themes and ideas and expanding upon them.

Yeah, my main issue with both JP2 and JP3 was the stupid second island. I just didn't understand why they had to do that and why they couldn't just return to the regular main island. JP2 at least still retained a sense of discovery given the new surroundings and creatures.

JP3 on the other hand, I mean, you want a terrible premise for a film, there it is. Hey, have two of the biggest idiot parents in the world (shameful waste of William H Macy's talents) manage to trick Dr Grant into going back to the island he's never been to in order to save a kid. Yeah they added the pterodactyls, but that's not enough to save a film from such bad pacing and storytelling.

Not to proclaim Jurassic World will be better. But to me the premise and foundation is 100x better than the previous two films and feels more like a sequel than the others.

I suppose what could have helped to make it feel more like a sequel would have been to get Grant or Malcolm to return even for a cameo. Too bad Richard Attenborough died though

Agreed. Especially abotu Vergers post.

I really think though that the park is going to get a decent amount of screen time.
Can't see them going through all that work and dropping it. Also see it being the longest film easily in the franchise.

I certainly hope they make this a long film. In order to do a "Disaster Film" proper you have to do a good job setting things up and giving everyone a full overview of the surroundings and the locations. Plus they've spent a lot of time thinking about the Park and its various attractions, such as that Gyrosphere ride (the balls) and the rivers and even the aquatic tanks.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Looks so good

Don't understand negative comments

 

[The perfect Dark]

Looks so good

Don't understand negative comments

Did you read them

 

[brandonh83]

Also see it being the longest film easily in the franchise.

I remember something about them filming a scene at a house with snow in New Orleans, so it sounds like the movie may begin (after a prologue I'm sure) at Ty Simpkins' house. I can see Ty being excited to go to Jurassic World but his brother (Nick Robinson) may have been already and is being forced to take his brother but isn't excited about it since he's been-- and that could cue us in early about how people may be getting tired of the place.

From there it's probably going to move to the airport and to Costa Rica and then to the Isla Nublar ferry which takes them to the island. I can see us following Ty's POV so that we're also new to Jurassic World so we experience that first-hand excitement along with him. We'll wander around a bit I'm sure, maybe bouncing around to different attractions before hitting up the gyrosphere, and that's when things will start to get dark. I think largely the sequence of events will play out similarly to the teaser.

But basically if it's 2 hours, the first hour can be about the new park and intercutting between Ty and the Pratt/Howard stuff with both the trained raptors and the new attraction before the first act culminates in the kids in the gyrosphere and running into Frankensaur while they're in it and we'll likely get something similar to the Rex attacking the kids in the jeep in the original, prompting Pratt and Howard to go find them (I think I remember hearing the kids are actually Howard's nephews, that Greer's character is her sister).

It sounds like it will need to be at least 2 hours. I think a solid 45 minutes to an hour of the new park would be fine depending on how its paced and edited with the rest of the movie being about whatever else its going to be about. But I definitely don't think this would work if it were only 90 minutes give or take. If they reveal the running time to be around that I will start to get a little worried myself.

Yeah, my main issue with both JP2 and JP3 was the stupid second island. I just didn't understand why they had to do that and why they couldn't just return to the regular main island. JP2 at least still retained a sense of discovery given the new surroundings and creatures.

I never cared for Sorna to be honest. I don't think it's a bad idea but they didn't flesh it out at all. If anything the third film I think did the best job at making it feel like a more varied place with the lab and pteranodon cage and whatnot. That's just the problem with the previous sequels. They just kind of said there's another island where the animals were bred or whatever but didn't bother at all to really give the other island its own lore.

 

[strafer]

2 h 25 min.

Perfect runtime for this movie.

 

[brandonh83]

2 h 25 min.

Perfect runtime for this movie.

Someone should tweet to Trevorrow and ask if there's a runtime that he's aiming for. I know they don't really know this until the final edit is locked but they usually have a window that they're aiming for.

If this movie is too short I will lose my mind.

 

[Verger]

The first two films are just over 2 hours. The third film is only 90 minutes (thank goodness)

Obviously hoping they aim more for the runtime of the former films and even longer if possible. Remember, the park is pretty huge, from that map that was leaked a while back:

Not to mention there's the whole "Restricted Area" in the northern section of the map that I'm sure will be looked at somehow too.

 

[Superflat]

Yeah, my main issue with both JP2 and JP3 was the stupid second island. I just didn't understand why they had to do that and why they couldn't just return to the regular main island. JP2 at least still retained a sense of discovery given the new surroundings and creatures.

JP3 on the other hand, I mean, you want a terrible premise for a film, there it is. Hey, have two of the biggest idiot parents in the world (shameful waste of William H Macy's talents) manage to trick Dr Grant into going back to the island he's never been to in order to save a kid. Yeah they added the pterodactyls, but that's not enough to save a film from such bad pacing and storytelling.

Not to proclaim Jurassic World will be better. But to me the premise and foundation is 100x better than the previous two films and feels more like a sequel than the others.

I suppose what could have helped to make it feel more like a sequel would have been to get Grant or Malcolm to return even for a cameo. Too bad Richard Attenborough died though

For sure. A second island was a dumb, shoehorned idea even for the novel. This is the return to the only island that should have existed in the franchise, and they're advancing on the ideas of the original. It's not gonna be hard at all to top JP3 because any modicum of filmmaking talent would automatically place it several leagues above it. It'll need a bit more talent to top TLW because other than the very weak story and iffy dialogue it's a fairly well crafted piece of cinema, but it's definitely possible.

Man, what I wouldn't give to see Richard back in the Hammond role for this :[

I also agree about cameos. I thought the cameo of Lex and Tim in TLW was a great way to make a nod to the first film, but unfortunately I can't think of a good reason for why any of the original survivors would appear anywhere near the park 22 years later.

 

[brandonh83]

HOOOOO BOY

Colin Trevorrow ‏@colintrevorrow 2m2 minutes ago
"Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time, it will be flawless.”

http://www.jurassicworld.com

Oh man. Dig in, fellas.

 

[Manu]

I'm pretty sure the "restricted area" are the ruins of the original park.

 

[Oersted]

snip

20 years after the first Jurassic Park, there is still hype to see dinosaurs on the big screen.
10 years later, in the world of Jurassic World, people are tired of real dinosaurs and want a hybrid, a non-dinosaur.

Lets say, I can't buy it yet.

 

[More_Badass]

If there's a large Restricted Area, you just know it's going to play an important part in the story. That's the bomb under the table.

For sure. A second island was a dumb, shoehorned idea even for the novel. This is the return to the only island that should have existed in the franchise, and they're advancing on the ideas of the original. It's not gonna be hard at all to top JP3 because any modicum of filmmaking talent would automatically place it several leagues above it. It'll need a bit more talent to top TLW because other than the very weak story and iffy dialogue it's a fairly well crafted piece of cinema, but it's definitely possible.

Man, what I wouldn't give to see Richard back in the Hammond role for this :[

I also agree about cameos. I thought the cameo of Lex and Tim in TLW was a great way to make a nod to the first film, but unfortunately I can't think of a good reason for why any of the original survivors would appear anywhere near the park 22 years later.

Maybe they'd protest or be against the park? I could see Grant and Malcolm having that attitude after what they went through

 

[Verger]

HOOOOO BOY

Colin Trevorrow ‏@colintrevorrow 2m2 minutes ago
"Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time, it will be flawless.”

http://www.jurassicworld.com

Oh man. Dig in, fellas.

Hey I just quoted that! Is Trevorrow a GAFer????

On the CG Gate:

On Twitter, director Colin Trevorrow has clarified things a little, in particular in response to a question as to whether the Jurassic World gate would be a computerised creation in the final film. "The gate will be practical. Real wood, concrete and steel," Trevorrow wrote. When asked if the version we saw in the teaser was practical, he clarified that "the gate is practical, the environment isn't. That shot was specifically made for the trailer. The film will be different."

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Hey I just quoted that! Is Trevorrow a GAFer????

On the CG Gate:

CG Gate-gate was a big ado about nothing then.

 

[brandonh83]

20 years after the first Jurassic Park, there is still hype to see dinosaurs on the big screen.
10 years later, in the world of Jurassic World, people are tired of real dinosaurs and want a hybrid, a non-dinosaur.

You can't be serious.

 

[NickatNite]

They went all out on the website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If1aP51aqcE[Hilton Isla Nublar Resort

 

[Jawmuncher]

They still played the trailer for Jurassic World on the game.
Just heard it play.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Hahahahaha!!!

Oh my god, if there's any doubt left the people making this movie give a flying fuck about dinosaurs, this picture on the official site says it all.

 

[Superflat]

HOOOOO BOY

Colin Trevorrow ‏@colintrevorrow 2m2 minutes ago
"Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time, it will be flawless.”

http://www.jurassicworld.com

Oh man. Dig in, fellas.

Woohoo! Man, I love stuff like this.

What would be super cool is if they had fake live streams stuff like the Mosasaurus feeding or of the visitors center.

And dinosaurs! They got a list!! Some with pictures!!

 

[brandonh83]

Lovely.

 

[More_Badass]

HOOOOO BOY

Colin Trevorrow ‏@colintrevorrow 2m2 minutes ago
"Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time, it will be flawless.”

http://www.jurassicworld.com

Oh man. Dig in, fellas.

Site is awesome

Sounds like you actually drive the gyrosphere. Dino chase scene confirmed

 

[Jawmuncher]

Trex looks cool

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Trex looks cool

OG T-Rex with Raptor scars and all.

 

[Cow Mengde]

This movie is a Jurassic Park parody. That's a Brachiosaurus skull in the Apatosaurus page.

 

[Hurley]

Trex looks cool

Oh man is that the OG Rex from the first film? That's awesome if it is.

 

[Jawmuncher]

This movie is a Jurassic Park parody. That's a Brachiosaurus skull in the Apatosaurus page.

Tweet Trevorrow to fix it.

OG T-Rex with Raptor scars and all.

Oh man is that the OG Rex from the first film? That's awesome if it is.

I didn't even put the scars together.
That would be really cool. No reason to kill it if you can capture it.
Plus there's nothing saying a Trex can't live for that long.

 

[More_Badass]

Uh huh, right, sure...

And it's nice they have a statue of Hammond

 

[malfcn]

Everything about the trailer looked awful. The original theme had a twist on it though.