I'd take practical effects over CG any day. Then again I only see 1-2 movies a year so I'm probably out of touch with what people like.
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Jurassic World Official Trailer
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I'd take practical effects over CG any day. Then again I only see 1-2 movies a year so I'm probably out of touch with what people like.
Anton Sugar
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Again, wait for the actual context of the movie. Your sentiment is, I believe, an actual plot point. Maybe Demoncarnotaur can explain it better, but (slight premise spoilers based on director comments)
the park has been open for almost a decade when the movie starts--people are already getting tired of the main attractions, so "the board" of Jurassic World or whatever decides they need to create a new attraction.
The new LEGO Batman game basically spoils the design.
EDIT: NM, apparently that's not accurate. This is the Indominus Rex, in LEGO form. Thanks, Demoncarnotaur.
PM plz.
As if that would ever happen in real life. The park would be sold out for 100 years, regardless of expense.
Its just a cheap plot point to explain the freak.
The trailer made a very deliberate choice not to directly show the staple dinosaurs everyone is waiting for. The Raptors are shown at the very end, and they're obfuscated by the darkness. Only the newly created dinosaur's feet and arms are shown. They didn't even throw in the classic T-Rex roar to pander to the audience. They're clearly saving it all, for now.
The stuff they did show was pretty safe. Mostly herbivores that we've seen perforate in the background, and the fresh reveal of the aquatic animal which is probably not a big part of the movie if I had to guess.
There's plenty of things I think the trailer did poorly, but I do like that this is playing it close to the chest and smartly choosing what to show and what to keep under wraps.
bengraven
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Oh don't worry. I'm sure many of the cynical generalizations in this thread were being made by Americans, much like your bigoted generalization of how Americans are apparently blind to bad quality.
I don't know about that.
Dinosaurs themselves aren't as popular as they used to be. I'm sure there would be a huge boom in popularity once the T-rex in San Diego footage was released almost 20 years ago and especially after the Park opens and is successful.
But people are really fucking cynical these days. We get excited about technology and a couple years later are bored with it. If we landed people on Mars, that would be fucking amazing...for a couple years. Then we're just "eh"ing our way to the next fad.
Calcium
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I don't know, man. I never go to the zoo and they have animals that I rarely if ever see in real life. It's plausible that after 10 years people just don't care as much.
Going to see a Giraffe is a little different than going to see a T-Rex. The rich elite of the world would spend enough money at the park to probably cover its lifetime expense.
I agree disagree. Looked dreadful, and the CG didn't look much better than 1993.
brianmcdoogle
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From what I read, I actually like the concept of the movie, of Hammon's dream being fulfilled, and the somewhat corporate mandate for a "bigger" Tyrannosaurus rex. But that said, there was not much of anything I liked in this trailer. I think the concept art of the Gyrosphere cars looks dumb. I really dislike the music that was chosen with the exception of the end where the main theme is twisted to sound like a horror theme; I thought the dialogue was uniformly terrible and delivered the sleep; I think the dinosaurs of themselves do not look as good as the old practical and CG a fax from the original; and I did not find any interesting shots in this trailer or anything visually interesting. I don't know much about the director, but I hope this is not a blandly directed movie that the third one was, and even most of the second one.
I was more excited before this trailer. Now, it looks... Eh.
Edit: also, I know everyone says that the CG is going to be worked on until the movie is released, but I am still a bit shocked that they released some of these shots. they look absolutely horrid. The comping on some of the scenes and the lighting don't match, and something as simple like matching the footage on the phone to the footage of the dinosaur leaping into the air looks like amateur work; truly, the matching screen footage looks like something out of the AVGN movie.
I was more excited before this trailer. Now, it looks... Eh.
Edit: also, I know everyone says that the CG is going to be worked on until the movie is released, but I am still a bit shocked that they released some of these shots. they look absolutely horrid. The comping on some of the scenes and the lighting don't match, and something as simple like matching the footage on the phone to the footage of the dinosaur leaping into the air looks like amateur work; truly, the matching screen footage looks like something out of the AVGN movie.
Demoncarnotaur
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The Indominus Rex looks nothing like this. It looks like a Dinosaur. Major spoilers: Lego Indominus Rex.
Given, the Lego figure simplifies the features.
shinobi602
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I think it would, seems like a perfect plot point. Human beings can be incredibly vain, after seeing the same shit for 10 years, even if they're actual dinosaurs, would wear out its luster eventually. It's human nature, regardless of how incredible something seems in the beginning.
Theme parks do this all the time, no matter how exhilirating a new ride is, they always have to come up with something new every few years.
More_Badass
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The thing is, if there's nothing new, why would you go back? Sooner or later, your potential audience is going to have seen everything there is to see. If you want to bring in more people, you need something new and different. It's the same reason why theme parks update old rides, build new ones, etc.
I don't buy that at all.
These aren't endangered rhinos. They're fucking dinosaurs. That park would be packed for decades.
Lovely Salsa
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They should've used robots, like the first movie.
Surprisingly they can't get the CGI look real in 2014, should've postponed the movie to 2020 or something
Surprisingly they can't get the CGI look real in 2014, should've postponed the movie to 2020 or something
There will be robots.
The dinosaurs don't look good, but those 'helicopter' shots of the place looked nice to me.
Calcium
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Not sure why you are comparing a giraffe to a T-Rex there. Of course those are two different experiences. A giraffe and a Brachiosaurus would be more fitting. The park could have trouble getting repeat business. I could see the corporation trying to do something new and radical to bring people in.
I'm sure people had the same enthusiasm for seeing those rhinos at some point too. People are shitty, they would grow tired of seeing the same animals every visit.
It's not simply a park; it's a biological preserve, a zoo, an amusement park, and a state of the art research facility all in one. It's Disneyland, Sea World, San Diego Zoo, and Cornell University mashed together. The staff and resources needed to maintain every facility is without a doubt far more expensive than any zoo I can think of, but there's also ongoing research and development. It's not simply "here are the animals we dropped off, now maintain them in cages".
Anton Sugar
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Thanks for educating us. You don't sound biased at all!
Lovely Salsa
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I don't know what to say
good
but I still think we should be able to make dinos more "real" with todays cgi technology
Its dinosaurs. Not roller coaster rides. Fucking dinosaurs. Something noone ever has seen. Something you can't see elsewhere. There is no need for some deadly dinosaurs. It would be like adding fucking chainsaws to roller coaster rides.
Weren't they running away from something?
More_Badass
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Considering that they wanted to build new dinosaurs all the way back in the first book, and the researchers were always about playing God, testing the limits of genetic engineering, it was only a matter of time and totally logically that they would try to make a new creature
Even in the first movie, Hammond was ready to try again, keep improving and creating, before Saddler changed his mind
"You're right. You're absolutely right. Hiring Nedry was a mistake, that's obvious. We're over-dependent on automation. I can see that now. Now, the next time, everything is correctible...
Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time it'll be flawless."
shinobi602
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This is impossible to really address as it'll never happen in reality anyway. In my opinion, I don't care how incredible something is, even dinosaurs, after a certain point, it's old news.
The directer said something to the effect of once it becomes commonplace for someone to casually take selfies in front of a T-Rex behind glass, there's a sense of normalcy and the magic can start to lose luster. Ten years is quite a bit of time, and it's not like the park is suffering or dying slowly; the board is probably seeing a slow gradual decline.
I've said it in a previous post, but the park isn't exactly the easiest place to get to, and the average American family will have to spend thousands to simply reach Costa Rica, take the ferry to the island, stay in a hotel, etc etc.
How many people are simply content with watching nature documentaries of exotic animals and youtube videos of people on an African safari and never go themselves?
Been waiting 2 years to see this film, watched JP 1 and 2 last night because i was excited for the trailer.
I wish i was biased against this, i really do. At least then i wouldn't be feeling like shit now after seeing the trailer.
True, but is the way to increase interest really to create a dinosaur that can
turn invisible
Chiggs
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It seems like Jurassic World is using JP3's "bigger T-Rex" enemy. I have no idea what the raptors are doing at the end, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here, but the trailer still seemed pretty mediocre.
Not after a few years. People go centuries later still to Disneyland for the classics.
He was talking about the Park.
Anton Sugar
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The park has been open for ten years. That's long enough for a child to be born with the reality of dinosaurs in her/his world. Not to mention photos/video would likely be readily available.
I think most people are in awe of dinosaurs as these BEASTS that were constantly doing cool shit, like hunting prey, protecting their children from predators, drowning in swamps.
In reality, they're animals, like any other. You go to the zoo and most animals are just chilling (I get that there are a number of reasons for this, of course). Same in the natural world.
Calcium
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Right now they are "fucking dinosaurs!", but in a world where they have their own zoo they just become "dinosaurs" after a while. I'm sure there would be countless documentaries made about the dinosaurs and a shit ton of footage on Youtube. The park has been open for 10 years, people would have seen everything the park has to offer.
It's the same thing with any zoo or aquarium that has dangerous animals on display. There is an aquarium with fucking sharks right down the street, but I haven't been there in a decade at least.
Yeah, I read that too. I could totally see something like that happening. I actually hope a shot like that is in the movie.
Demoncarnotaur
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About creating the Hybrid, and the films reasoning-
The Masrani Corp side addresses it best: the park isn't seeing a decline in visitors, it's seeing a decline in growth rates. They want to keep that rate surging upwards, and decided they needed something to hook the headlines more than just another new species of Dinosaur.
The Masrani Corp side addresses it best: the park isn't seeing a decline in visitors, it's seeing a decline in growth rates. They want to keep that rate surging upwards, and decided they needed something to hook the headlines more than just another new species of Dinosaur.
shinobi602
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It doesn't really turn...'invisible', it has the genomes of a cuttlefish, just a high form of camouflage.
Also, there could also be other sinister reasonings behind the hybrid that aren't explained yet. We'll see.
crazyrabbits
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This goes back to my point earlier. It's understandable that CGI isn't finished months before release. It's quite another to have your big reveal 15 seconds into the trailer a cheap-looking CGI sign on a gate. Even with the excuse that this is a two-second scene/effects are unfinished/just for the trailer, it doesn't help the fact that it looks cheesy and out-of-place, and comes of as underwhelming for the relaunch of a franchise a decade later.
My guess is that they rushed this out so they could get some hype before the SW trailer drops.
shinobi602
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Right, and Disney creates new attractions all the time to keep visitors coming in and revenues up. I don't think anyone's saying the theme park in the movie is going into bankruptcy or something, but revenue could be on a slow/gradual decline. Investors could want something new to bring in the money again. Just saying personally that I could see that after a decade.
Anton Sugar
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Centuries, eh?
Fucking hilarious.
Tell us more about how the world will find real live dinosaurs boring after only ten years.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Just seen the trailer, it's pretty good.. My biggest worry was it'd be Dino Crisis 3: The Movie with the talk about the mutated dinosaurs. And, yes, I know they weren't pure dinos in the first film either (the frog DNA stuff), but that just seemed like a launching-off point, a way to conveniently link their existence into present-day. It wasn't the focal point of the film.
Anyway, here's a dinostep version. I laughed way too much when the music kicked in.
http://youtu.be/-3-fGP6L-nc
Anyway, here's a dinostep version. I laughed way too much when the music kicked in.
http://youtu.be/-3-fGP6L-nc
Please explain?
JP3 simply replaced the T-Rex because it's "bigger and badder" and turned it into a ridiculous monster that wanted to chase them throughout the entire island like a obsessed serial killer. They even created that insipid T-Rex vs Spinosaur fight which killed the T-Rex within a minute's time to show how "big and bad" it was. Saddest part is that this dumb fight is the only time the T-Rex makes an appearance.
I hope this film handles it differently, and the director's comments make me more confident.
Demoncarnotaur
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The trailer changed a bit due to leaks, so some scenes were added relatively last minute (river scene). Colin Trevorrow addressed the gate scene, saying it was made for the trailer only. The final gate scene will utilize practical effects.
BattleMonkey
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Oh well, atleast we didn't end up with this -
That was the rumors from about, ooh it must be 10 years ago. It does look like a little flavor of it did work its way into the film though.
Hollywood eh.
This seems more interesting than basically giving us a repeat of the first movie
Calcium
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When was the last time you went to a zoo, man? A decent one that has a good selection of animals that you wouldn't normally see. I'm willing to bet it has been a while.
The waiting lists to get in the park will still be full after 10 years.
Wickerbasket
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I would have paid good money to see that in movie form.Oh well, atleast we didn't end up with this -
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