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Just finished Death Note. **massive spoilers**
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Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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Oh yeah, I remember that now. It's when (during one of his internal monologues) he's chastising Mikami for being too rash in his proxy killings. He doesn't disagree with killing the lazy - he just says he needs to wait until he has more support from the world at large.
So I reject your hypothesis, Lord Thrappleper The 49th
Wait, what?
please be joking
Did I say j/k at the end? I honestly don't remember him killing somebody that wasn't necessary. If L, in the second episode, was actually L, and not a man for the death penalty, then I would be agreeing with you. But he wasn't, Light learned from that experience, and never killed unecessarily again.
Light never killed a purse snatcher though. He killed people who needed to be killed for true peace.
Light is a huge asshole, but I can't say that I didn't root for him. If it were real life I probably wouldn't support him, but some of the most entertaining parts of the show where when he was the most evil (e.g. the death of the FBI guy's wife).
I've heard that Code Geass also has an evil protagonist, and it's supposed to be really good. Also, Dexter is on Netflix, and it's a great show with an anti-hero protagonist, even though he's not that evil.
I've heard that Code Geass also has an evil protagonist, and it's supposed to be really good. Also, Dexter is on Netflix, and it's a great show with an anti-hero protagonist, even though he's not that evil.
CornBurrito
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Light was planning on killing purse snatchers and the lazy. Which he outright fucking states when chastising Mikami or whatever his name was for doing it too early.
You are an awful person btw.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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But he never did it. I believe that Light would have stopped himself before it got that far. His head was warped, sure. But if it got to a point where violent crime had completely stopped, I believe he would recognize it and think 'that's actually enough.'
EDIT: Oh thanks, I guess because I believe evil people need to die it makes me an awful person. Can't we have a meaningful discussion of philisophical differences with devulging to petty namecalling?
DOUBLE EDIT:
Man, it's a show about a smart high school kid who went way over his head thinking he was God.
Settle down.
CornBurrito
Member
The show is the show. The people in this thread are real people expressing what I assume are real views. And those views are fucked up.
Leona Lewis
Banned
The very idea that anyone watches the whole thing and still walks away thinking Light only "killed people who needed to be killed for true peace" is terrifying
DOUBLE EDIT:
So do you agree or disagree?
Wait, didn't he not know L's real name, at least for a long time? It's been a while and I can't quite remember.
heliosRAzi
Banned
He killed innocent people already. That one FBI lady at least.
Yes, Light did not know L's name for a while but as soon he found out he should have written L's name and diabetic shock in the Death Note.
CornBurrito
Member
In his sick mind those people weren't innocent because they were trying to stop a serial killer who was murdering people who may or may not have actually been guilty, and may have been able to be reformed into productive members of society.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Yeah, he came close when Misa did the deal with the "eyes" but she was promptly arrested. Rem was his only avenue for killing L because Shinigamis can see everything.
I guess he could have just asked Rem for his name and killed L himself, but it would have been even more suspicious to be seen around her since the whole team already saw her with the shady businessman they believed was actually Kira.
He killed L's private investigator buddies (like Wedy and the American guy who imitated Coil) after killing L, which was just vindictive.
Not to mention killing all the FBI agents, who were simply doing surveillance on a case they weren't even fully briefed on.
And if we take the anime movie as canon, then using Mikami to kill random people in the audience simply for attending a taping for a show on an anti-Kira network.
He killed tons of innocent people.
clem84
Gold Member
No I don't, nor do I remember Light killing for any crime.
No. Right. And no.
With the Death note? How?
I realize now that my comment could be interpreted in many ways. I certainly don't support what you just said. Maybe you should settle down a bit. I would be in favor of getting rid of the irredeemable ones. Thinking back on the show, Light did seem a little too trigger happy on some occasions so I guess I don't fully support his vision.
CornBurrito
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Maybe the show dumbs things down but I think even the show has the scene where Light chastises Mikami (or whatever his name was) for killing lazy people and petty criminals. Expect he chastises it for being too early to start killing off those sorts of people. Using our reasoning skills, we can infer that Lights vision included killing purse snatchers.
Right, he couldn't eliminate poverty and hunger with the Death Note. Except maybe by using it on key influential people that could set up the systems to eliminate those things. But ignoring that, his lazy "just murder the criminals" method is defensible only if you think the criminal justice system is flawless (you can be convicted but not guilty) or don't value human life and thus can stomach the loss of innocent life Lights system definitely caused.
Blackage
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Did anyone ever do a psych-eval on Light at this manga/anime's peek? I was just curious what the results would be. He started off as a bored kid, and before it was over he was a really despicable human being, but when he lost the memories of the Death Note, I was wondering if there were any signs that he still would have ended up a terrible person. L certainly seemed to think he'd become awful again, without even taking into account the memory loss thing.
Leona Lewis
Banned
We see Light's worldview from the very first chapter of the manga/episode of the series when he considers killing the leader of the pack that's bullying the nerdy fat kid in cram school and muses that the spoiled brat complaining that his mom hasn't picked him up on time is basically a waste of life.
It's inevitable that he would've eventually targeted anyone he saw as a drag on society, criminal or not.
The direction of the anime was far too melodramatic. Compare L's death scene in both. L's death was far more effective in the manga because it focuses on the confusion of the situation and climaxes with Light's incredible shit-eating grin. In the anime it's all shaky cam and red light filters and flash backs.
I don't think the second half of Death Note is as bad as most people say. It follows an interesting story premise: what happens after the bad guy wins? What would Light's crime-free society really look like? The problem is that Light has no interesting character dynamic with anyone like he did with L in the first half. I don't care about Near like I did L. Mello is boring and is kind of a third wheel. I can see why they added him because they thought "we can't just do Light vs. L 2.0... how about an EVIL L?" Light's comeuppance was perfect though (in the manga at least).
I would highly recommend the manga to anyone.
I don't think the second half of Death Note is as bad as most people say. It follows an interesting story premise: what happens after the bad guy wins? What would Light's crime-free society really look like? The problem is that Light has no interesting character dynamic with anyone like he did with L in the first half. I don't care about Near like I did L. Mello is boring and is kind of a third wheel. I can see why they added him because they thought "we can't just do Light vs. L 2.0... how about an EVIL L?" Light's comeuppance was perfect though (in the manga at least).
I would highly recommend the manga to anyone.
CornBurrito
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Oh right I forgot about that bit. Yeah, bullies and ungrateful children also deserve death and are irredeemable scum. Lol.
I personally saw the ending to be fairly fitting. There was no way that Light was going to come out on top, and in the end he really was fairly pathetic, only pursuing what he felt was "justice" for selfish reasons. I do prefer the manga ending, though. Really drils the point home of Light's true character.
The show dipped in quality halfway through, mainly for me because of how convoluted it started to become, in addition to Near and Mello not really being as engaging as L. Other than that, I enjoyed it fairly thoroughly. I like the whole psychological warfare going on between Light and L, how everything is move and counter-move. Even when it did get complciated/convoluted, it never felt like it was doing so arbitrarily, it felt more like a natural progression of how insane all these plans and moves had to become in order to get further and further into the game that was being played.
Really, any show that can make eating potato chips super dramatic is certainly doing something right.
The show dipped in quality halfway through, mainly for me because of how convoluted it started to become, in addition to Near and Mello not really being as engaging as L. Other than that, I enjoyed it fairly thoroughly. I like the whole psychological warfare going on between Light and L, how everything is move and counter-move. Even when it did get complciated/convoluted, it never felt like it was doing so arbitrarily, it felt more like a natural progression of how insane all these plans and moves had to become in order to get further and further into the game that was being played.
Really, any show that can make eating potato chips super dramatic is certainly doing something right.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Yep. It's just fiction and all, but I'm suspicious of anyone who supports Light - either they skipped over huge portions of the narrative, or (more likely) are enchanted by the power fantasy of the Death Note.
I rooted for Light just because his victory would have been such an atypical conclusion for an anime, but that's different from thinking he was actually right
clem84
Gold Member
Anyone remember which episode this is?
Leona Lewis
Banned
I actually think it fell apart after he killed Raye Penber's wife (ep 9 onwards). After that, L was already so close to him that the show became boring. L narrowed it down to one suspect far too quickly.
Though, I did like parts from later on. Particularly the ending. It's especially nice that Light had the winning plan. The fact that he was brought down due to his need to rely on other people (and their lesser skills) is a nice touch.
Though, I did like parts from later on. Particularly the ending. It's especially nice that Light had the winning plan. The fact that he was brought down due to his need to rely on other people (and their lesser skills) is a nice touch.
clem84
Gold Member
Yeah I just found it. It's at 16:05. Yikes.
Well, it's a 37 episode half hour show. I guess it's normal to not remember every sentence. Either that or I'm just old.
Leona Lewis
Banned
I don't mean every sentence. I'm talking about that guy who said Light never killed any innocent people.Well, it's a 37 episode half hour show. I guess it's normal to not remember every sentence. Either that or I'm just old.
You could only think that if you watched entire episodes blindfolded.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Is the Death Note film available online anywhere? I enjoyed the anime (though it did drag after L's death), so I'd be interested in watching the film, since some of you are saying it's even better.
TheVampire
Banned
Would have this worked:
When Light got found out and kinda started freaking out couldnt have he used the notepaper in his watch to kill everyone in the room? They didnt really care if he ran around so he could have maybe just ran about, rolled on the ground or did something babyish and while covered from their view write the names down quickly.
When Light got found out and kinda started freaking out couldnt have he used the notepaper in his watch to kill everyone in the room? They didnt really care if he ran around so he could have maybe just ran about, rolled on the ground or did something babyish and while covered from their view write the names down quickly.
Leona Lewis
Banned
That's a hilarious image XD
He wouldn't have been able to do that anyway, though. Only Mikami was able to see the names of Near and his groupies, but Mikami's Death Note was a fake.
clem84
Gold Member
But Light did try to use the note in his watch, he just wasn't very subtle about it. But you have to wonder how many names he knew... He certainly didn't know Near's real name. Besides, his note was too small to write down all those names
Leona Lewis
Banned
He could've killed everyone on his own side (Matsuda, Aizawa, etc.), but it wouldn't have made a difference because he didn't have the Shinigami eyes. He was so dumbstruck by his plan's failure that he wasn't thinking clearly by that point anyway.But Light did try to use the note in his watch, he just wasn't very subtle about it. But you have to wonder how many names he knew... He certainly didn't know Near's real name. Besides, his note was too small to write down all those names
It's so fitting that Light's downfall resulted from his being unable to contact Mikami directly. L had the opposite problem - he had unlimited, open contact with Light but still couldn't prove his guilt quickly enough, whereas Light couldn't ever get Mikami face-to-face and was exposed because of the eventual communication breakdown.
the more I think about it the more I really do like how Light's who operation fell apart from small overlooked things and love triangle pettiness. I forgot Mikami and the reporter had that sit down and they were passive aggressively trying to prove they were the best one for light. All the way to the end.
TheVampire
Banned
Ok ok but what about if he said he had a bomb or something?
I think Lights problem was that he went into that final confrontation without a back up plan!!! He was too confident.
Leona Lewis
Banned
If he were thinking straight, he could have said something like, "As a back-up plan, I had Mikami randomly plant bombs in subway stations that he or another third-party would detonate should Kira ever be caught."
At least that way, he'd have bought some time for himself to at least be interrogated instead of, you know, shot to death.
Absolutely. The dub for this one is great, too.
toastyToast
Member
Weren't they going to start killing lazy people eventually?
Doesn't seem like the ideal world for a gaffer
Haha, I think i'll stick with a subbed version.
Death Metalist
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Yes. Aside from him wanting to be a god, his plan fell apart when he decided to bring incompetent people into his plan.
Yeah it was literally stated that Ryuk was just waiting around for the right moment to kill off Light.
Also, pretty much no anime detective series ends with them never being able to find the guy who did it.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Quite possibly the best anime ever.
Nah, that title goes to Monster, which is admittedly a much better series in this genre.
He killed Ray Pembar for absolutely no reason. Light was an idiot, which is probably the worst thing to be when you're also a megalomaniac.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Years later and people still complain about the 2nd half... geez its not bad at all. If anything the second half opens up more diversity for the show the inclusion of Mello and Near providing a 3 way goose chase was every bit as fun as the original cat and mouse between light and L.
i really dont get or ever will understand the complaints.. JESUS
i really dont get or ever will understand the complaints.. JESUS
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