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[The Chef]

I apologize if these have been answered before in an OT.

Wow what an intense movie.
The only thing I wasn't thrilled about was his death. The problem for me was I just didn't believe he was dead. When Laura is crying and Logan is laying there dying I actually wasn't too emotional about it simply because I knew Logan was going to survive somehow. Perhaps the kids would use their powers or something or they'd have more green serum or something like that. But then it cuts to him in a grave and I was just really bummed out. Granted it makes perfect sense for him to die and its a perfect farewell. But it doesn't make it any easier to watch. I feel like he could have lived and gone with the kids where Logan would be able to train them as the new X-Men. Esencially following Xavier's path. That to me would have been much better, but then again I dont know if Hugh Jackman didn't want to do anymore movies.

Anyway, I have a few questions:

1. Why exactly was Logan dying? Was his body just not able to handle the Adamantium additions any longer?

2. Laura is his actual daughter? Soooo does that mean the mother is Jean Grey?

3. Are we to assume Xavier did something horrible as in perhaps had his first seizure and ended up killing a lot of people? (Similar to what takes place in the hotel) which spurs Logan on to flee with Xavier?

4. I recall the bad-dude with the robot arm saying that Laura had something that belonged to him. Did I miss what that was?

I know some of these questions may have been answered in the movie. But so often with Marvel movies, the answers have to come from the comic book buffs who know the lore so much better.

 

[Jackpot]

I apologize if these have been answered before in an OT.

Wow what an intense movie.
The only thing I wasn't thrilled about was his death. The problem for me was I just didn't believe he was dead. When Laura is crying and Logan is laying there dying I actually wasn't too emotional about it simply because I knew Logan was going to survive somehow. Perhaps the kids would use their powers or something or they'd have more green serum or something like that. But then it cuts to him in a grave and I was just really bummed out. Granted it makes perfect sense for him to die and its a perfect farewell. But it doesn't make it any easier to watch. I feel like he could have lived and gone with the kids where Logan would be able to train them as the new X-Men. Esencially following Xavier's path. That to me would have been much better, but then again I dont know if Hugh Jackman didn't want to do anymore movies.

Anyway, I have a few questions:

1. Why exactly was Logan dying? Was his body just not able to handle the Adamantium additions any longer?

2. Laura is his actual daughter? Soooo does that mean the mother is Jean Grey?

3. Are we to assume Xavier did something horrible as in perhaps had his first seizure and ended up killing a lot of people? (Similar to what takes place in the hotel) which spurs Logan on to flee with Xavier?

4. I recall the bad-dude with the robot arm saying that Laura had something that belonged to him. Did I miss what that was?

I know some of these questions may have been answered in the movie. But so often with Marvel movies, the answers have to come from the comic book buffs who know the lore so much better.

1. Adamantium poisoning and old age.

2. They created the mutant kids by using genetic material taken from others, including Logan. There are no more natural-born mutants due to Richard E Grant.

3. Xavier had a psychic Alzheimers attack that killed the other Xmen. That's why Logan kinda has a love-hate issue in looking after him.

4. I don't remember.

 

[DarthMasta]

1. Adamantium poisoning coupled with old age.
2. Mother was some random Mexican woman, in vitro fertilization, not the old fashioned way.
3. We are to assume that, since it's explicitly stated in the movie.
4. The something was Laura herself.


ETA:
Beaten...

 

[The Kree]

All those questions are answered in the movie and these movies generally don't require comic book knowledge to understand them. Most people would argue that they're pretty simple compared to the books.

 

[The Chef]

3. Xavier had a psychic Alzheimers attack that killed the other Xmen. That's why Logan kinda has a love-hate issue in looking after him.

Xavier killed the Xmen!?

All those questions are answered in the movie and these movies generally don't require comic book knowledge to understand them.

Hence why I said
"I know some of these questions may have been answered in the movie..."

 

[Toxi]

1. Yes, it was the Adamantium skeleton poisoning him (presumably combined with his age and stressful lifestyle)

2. No, Laura was a test tube baby with Logan's DNA grown in a surrogate mother.

3. Xavier killed/injured many people, including many X-Men, when he had that big seizure in Westchester, and you're correct that's why he is living away from other people.

4. No idea.

 

[siddx]

I loved the movie but I also was really bummed out by the ending. The idea that this is how it ends for all these characters I spent 17 years watching is a kick in the dick. I was bothered by it for days thinking about how it makes the prior movies irrelevant because despite all their heroics and struggles, they all die pointlessly and mutants vanish save for that little group of boring kids who are too small in numbers to last more than another generation.
Of course that's going by the assumption around the time of the release of the movie that Logan was a part of the same universe as the other xmen films. I don't know if that's changed.

 

[The Chef]

I loved the movie but I also was really bummed out by the ending. The idea that this is how it ends for all these characters I spent 17 years watching is a kick in the dick. I was bothered by it for days thinking about how it makes the prior movies irrelevant because despite all their heroics and struggles, they all die pointlessly and mutants vanish save for that little group of boring kids who are too small in numbers to last more than another generation.
Of course that's going by the assumption around the time of the release of the movie that Logan was a part of the same universe as the other xmen films. I don't know if that's changed.

I feel the same way. My wife actually said "Well it seems like Magneto was right from the first film" just implying that there was no hope in the future. Men would enslave them or they would just ultimately be destroyed.

 

[MisterAnderson]

I feel the same way. My wife actually said "Well it seems like Magneto was right from the first film" just implying that there was no hope in the future. Men would enslave them or they would just ultimately be destroyed.

It's also considered an alternate timeline, BTW.

 

[Bluemongoose]

As per my understanding, Logan isn't canon and is an "elseworlds" alternate future. This movie bummed me out too. My friend was like: "you know he has to die , man. It's the last movie." Ehh, don't tell me how to feel. Screw that.

 

[DarthMasta]

I feel the same way. My wife actually said "Well it seems like Magneto was right from the first film" just implying that there was no hope in the future. Men would enslave them or they would just ultimately be destroyed.

That's part of the point of the X-Men. Protecting a world that hates them. The hates them part is pretty much what distinguishes them from being the Avengers. You can write stories where that hate isn't there, but at the end of the day, it's going to come back, it's part of the DNA of the series, it's not an optimistic series in the long run.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Logan didnt die. The kids were just dumb

 

[siddx]

It's also considered an alternate timeline, BTW.

Is it? Because around release people were arguing about it and it seemed like the consensus was it was part of the main timeline that we have been watching for the last 17 years.

 

[Arttemis]

It's also considered an alternate timeline, BTW.

Well, yeah... The alternate timeline created by DoFP and shown in Apocalypse.

 

[DarthMasta]

Is it? Because around release people were arguing about it and it seemed like the consensus was it was part of the main timeline that we have been watching for the last 17 years.

Yeah, sure, because Wolverine is never going to come back. Sure. No way they'll bring their most popular character back in a few years, when people no longer react in repulsion at the thought of anyone not Hugh Jackman playing him.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I feel the same way. My wife actually said "Well it seems like Magneto was right from the first film" just implying that there was no hope in the future. Men would enslave them or they would just ultimately be destroyed.

I actually found it a staggeringly optimistic finale to the entire saga.

Even after the X-Men die, even after no more mutants, even after Logan has lost all hope... mutants endure. And they endure because a little girl is so inspired by the message of a comic book that she forms a community with a bunch of other kids.

X-Men didn't save the day, X-Men comics did.

Choked me the Hell up in the cinema, thinking about how they took every fan who went through a tough time and got through it because of a comic book, and used it as a thematic construct in a blockbuster.

And that's why I don't want any more X-Men films. How the Hell do you top that as a pay off to seventeen years worth of films?

 

[Rentahamster]

Is it? Because around release people were arguing about it and it seemed like the consensus was it was part of the main timeline that we have been watching for the last 17 years.

As far as I know, there isn't any official statement either way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This is a pretty good timeline explanation:

https://youtu.be/8YGHDTIUt0s

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Well, yeah... The alternate timeline created by DoFP and shown in Apocalypse.

It's not supposed to be in either of the DoFP timelines, neither before it was changed, nor after. It's another alternate timeline to those.

 

[Fancyarcher]

Well, yeah... The alternate timeline created by DoFP and shown in Apocalypse.

Fox doesn't really care about continuity with their X-Men. The alternate timeline thing is just an excuse for that.

 

[greepoman]

Yeah, sure, because Wolverine is never going to come back. Sure. No way they'll bring their most popular character back in a few years, when people no longer react in repulsion at the thought of anyone not Hugh Jackman playing him.

You forgot to add that Hollywood would never bring him back because they have tons of fresh new ideas, characters, and stories ... and therefore don't have to rely on reboots, rehashes, or sequels out the ass!

 

[Shadowhelper]

The only problem with the old age thing is Xavier is still alive, and in his 90s. So Logan can't be that old. Healing factor means he is meant to age very slowly, but still just a minor nit pick. I love the movie, actually. Didn't expect to.

 

[Vice]

Xavier killed the Xmen!?



"

Yes, after the attack in Las Vegas the radio mentions the similarities to an event in Winchester, NY that left several members of the X-Men dead.

 

[KernelPanic]

Fox doesn't really care about continuity with their X-Men. The alternate timeline thing is just an excuse for that.

Marvel didn't care about continuity in the comics either. So the precedent was set a long time ago.

 

[negreenfield]

I loved the movie but I also was really bummed out by the ending. The idea that this is how it ends for all these characters I spent 17 years watching is a kick in the dick. I was bothered by it for days thinking about how it makes the prior movies irrelevant because despite all their heroics and struggles, they all die pointlessly and mutants vanish save for that little group of boring kids who are too small in numbers to last more than another generation.
Of course that's going by the assumption around the time of the release of the movie that Logan was a part of the same universe as the other xmen films. I don't know if that's changed.

Whoa. Thought I was the only one. Used the exact words that I was bummed. Still really liked the movie too.

 

[nded]

The only problem with the old age thing is Xavier is still alive, and in his 90s. So Logan can't be that old. Healing factor means he is meant to age very slowly, but still just a minor nit pick. I love the movie, actually. Didn't expect to.

Logan ages slowly but he's not eternally young. Being constantly poisoned by his own skeleton probably speeds up the process as well.

 

[whytemyke]

All those questions are answered in the movie and these movies generally don't require comic book knowledge to understand them. Most people would argue that they're pretty simple compared to the books.

Disagree on some of this. The stuff with Charles and the other Xmen is pretty subtle, using the radio report.

 

[Sobriquet]

The only problem with the old age thing is Xavier is still alive, and in his 90s. So Logan can't be that old. Healing factor means he is meant to age very slowly, but still just a minor nit pick. I love the movie, actually. Didn't expect to.

Assuming his movie origin is the same as in the comics, he's around 150 years old in Logan.

 

[Shaanyboi]

1. Why exactly was Logan dying? Was his body just not able to handle the Adamantium additions any longer?

2. Laura is his actual daughter? Soooo does that mean the mother is Jean Grey?

3. Are we to assume Xavier did something horrible as in perhaps had his first seizure and ended up killing a lot of people? (Similar to what takes place in the hotel) which spurs Logan on to flee with Xavier?

4. I recall the bad-dude with the robot arm saying that Laura had something that belonged to him. Did I miss what that was?

1. Adamantium poisoning

2. They used his DNA to impregnate runaway Mexican women/teens who were never heard from again.

3. Yes, Xavier's mental deterioration caused him to kill the mutant kids at the school. Mutants were already dwindling in numbers by that point by additives being put into consumer food.

4. That 'something' was Laura. He doesn't want to make obvious what is special about her, let alone that she is viewed as property.

 

[ascii42]

Assuming his movie origin is the same as in the comics, he's around 150 years old in Logan.

Older than that. He fought in the Civil War in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. The movie opened with him as a kid maybe 20 years before that?

 

[sirap]

Could you imagine the destruction Xavier caused if he had Cerebro on during one of his attacks?

 

[big_z]

By far the best super hero movie out there. Actually felt grounded in reality with events unfolding realistically instead of a bunch of cosplayers prancing around.


Anyway what did Laura say when the kids were standing around Logan's grave? It sounded like gibberish.

Why didn't Xavier simply wear a trash can on his head like magneto to shield the world from his strokes?

Couldn't Logan have done a blood transfusion with Xavier long before this movie to heal his mind and let him walk again?

 

[Sobriquet]

Older than that. He fought in the Civil War in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. The movie opened with him as a kid maybe 20 years before that?

Ah, that's right. So damn near 200.

 

[Shaanyboi]

By far the best super hero movie out there. Actually felt grounded in reality with events unfolding realistically instead of a bunch of cosplayers prancing around.


Anyway what did Laura say when the kids were standing around Logan's grave? It sounded like gibberish.

Why didn't Xavier simply wear a trash can on his head like magneto to shield the world from his stokes?

Couldn't Logan have done a blood transfusion with Xavier long before this movie to heal his mind and let him walk again?

She was repeating the quote from Shane that she saw on the TV. It's kinda the central statement the movie makes around Logan.

Maybe it doesn't work like that? Maybe they didn't have that kind of helmet?

Maybe he wasn't the same blood type. Maybe he was afraid whatever was killing him would kill Xavier too.

 

[zeemumu]

1. He's old and shitty and his healing factor can't keep up anymore so the adamantium is killing him in addition to old age.

2. She's made from his genetic material so she's more his clone than his daughter. But no she's not like his actual daughter.

3. It's assumed that Xavier had a seizure that killed most of the former X-Men at the mansion sometime prior to the movie.

4. I think he was either referring to the woman that she was with having Laura or Laura actually being property.

 

[Maximus.]

It bummed me out that DoFP had a happy future timeline, but then this movie kills them all and goes back to a bleak future.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

For clarification, Xavier probably didn't kill the entirety of the X-Men. The exposition on the radio says that the previous incident injured 600 and killed 7 mutants, including several of the X-Men. So they probably lost a person or two from the team, but really it's just there so we know why Xavier is so remorseful and why they can't just run back to New York.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

I'll have to rewatch, but what did the additive in the water do? Eliminate/suppress the mutant Gene in non activated individuals only, or did it affect mutants as well?

 

[GuitarAtomik]

4. I think he was either referring to the woman that she was with having Laura or Laura actually being property.

This. He was saying Gabriela had something that belonged to him (Laura).

Also it's not outright stated, but it's possible the stuff they've been putting in the food to prevent mutants from being born could also be a factor in why Logan is dying. Now that I think about it, it could also have spurred on Xavier's seizures/dementia.

 

[Valkerionseven]

It bummed me out that DoFP had a happy future timeline, but then this movie kills them all and goes back to a bleak future.

Granted but none of the X-men timelines ever seem to end happy. They either lead to Apocalypse returning, Sentinels taking over, Phoenix melting the brains of everyone on earth, and what not lol.

 

[Mulgrok]

4. he was referring to the technology used to produce her DNA, and the metal implants in her.

 

[LinkAndEpona]

I'm wondering why the evil Logan died to a headshot, why didn't he heal?

Also a sad realization, Laura getting adamantium at such a young age means she'll eventually be poisoned too and live a lot less than Logan...

 

[Glass Rebel]

I'm wondering why the evil Logan died to a headshot, why didn't he heal?

Adamantium bullet. Comic logic.

 

[ZackieChan]

Put your phone down while watching the film. Bam, all your questions are answered! It's amazing.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm wondering why the evil Logan died to a headshot, why didn't he heal?

Also a sad realization, Laura getting adamantium at such a young age means she'll eventually be poisoned too and live a lot less than Logan...

Laura only has adamantium -infused claws, whereas Logan had the metal running throughout his entire skeletal structure, head to toe. The effect it has on her regenerative capabilities should be lessened.

 

[Ponn]

Disagree on some of this. The stuff with Charles and the other Xmen is pretty subtle, using the radio report.

For clarification, Xavier probably didn't kill the entirety of the X-Men. The exposition on the radio says that the previous incident injured 600 and killed 7 mutants, including several of the X-Men. So they probably lost a person or two from the team, but really it's just there so we know why Xavier is so remorseful and why they can't just run back to New York.

The radio was really the first hint, the main spell out is when Charles is in bed right before

Spoiler

fake news Wolverine kills him

I don't blame people for missing that exposition though because its really hard to hear everything he is saying and I had to turn on captions and get in front of the TV to read everything he says buts its pretty well spelt out for the viewers if you hear everything he's saying in his moment of clarity.

 

[Dalek]

Put your phone down while watching the film. Bam, all your questions are answered! It's amazing.

This drives me crazy. My wife cannot put her phone down while we watch something. 20 minutes later: "Why did they kill that guy?"

 

[GameAddict411]

Laura only has adamantium -infused claws, whereas Logan had the metal running throughout his entire skeletal structure, head to toe. The effect it has on her regenerative capabilities should be lessened.

Makes sense since she is still growing. At least the affects on her body would be limited, and she can probably remove them with surgery.

 

[ZackieChan]

This drives me crazy. My wife cannot put her phone down while we watch something. 20 minutes later: "Why did they kill that guy?"

My gf was doing that yesterday while watching Arrow. She's ESL and needs subtitles. Villains are explaining their evil plan and she's on her phone. ( -_-)

 

[firelogic]

1. Adamantium poisoning and old age.

2. They created the mutant kids by using genetic material taken from others, including Logan. There are no more natural-born mutants due to Richard E Grant.

3. Xavier had a psychic Alzheimers attack that killed the other Xmen. That's why Logan kinda has a love-hate issue in looking after him.

4. I don't remember.

I didn't get an ounce of a love/hate relationship between Logan and Xavier. It was 100% love.

 

[Savitar]

It was the modified corn and such foods that wiped out the rest of the mutants, don't believe that was the actual intention but that's what happened. The exact how (de powering, infertility, death, unsure of)

And really, humanity is probably better for it, in the movies mutants really do more harm than good so not like they got time to show how they could truly benefit humanity.