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Justice League - Comic-Con Sneak Peek
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MoS was the shit.
Don't you go there!!
1. I completely agree with you about MoS being a great movie, still has my favorite villain from all the superhero movies.
2. This Lewd gif is quite possibly one of the cutest things I've ever seen lol.
New Poster
Inspiration from Alex Ross
They're going for it. They're really killing it.
I can't even lie, the Alex Ross homage is pretty fucking dope. I immediately recognized it before even scrolling down
Inceptional
Member
Can someone please explain to me how this is any more cgi than any of the Marvel movies? At least the cgi in this seems to have some weight and style to it.
Marvel cgi is cgi you'd want to have a beer with.
Lol
You got me. I've also been reading that CGI in Thor is great while in Justice League it is messy so yeah... Now you know where we stand in the great CGI debate. I personally think they both look great but I'm not a professional CGI judge like the many we have here.
It's so weird that people don't seem to find Superman inspiring. I mean...he saved the world from an alien invasion in Man of Steel, continued to save people in between the events of MoS and BvS (as shown in the newspaper clippings in Wallace Keefe's apartment), goes global after being accused of mainly dealing with domestic crises (that's something that's mentioned by Jon Stewart of the Daily Show in a clip cut from the Theatrical version), is willing to sacrifice himself by giving a nuclear warhead a clear thread on Doomsday, and takes up a weapon that slowly weakens him in order to deal a final blow to the monstrous threat, thus inspiring the folks of the DC world to honor his sacrifice and be inspired to try to do good the same way he does. Personally, I've never been more inspired or as appreciated Supes as much as I did in BvS, partially because I had never really thought of what kind of struggles he would have to face on a political and cultural scale. His ability to persevere and still do what he can despite all of the fear and doubt and paranoia is exactly what makes him Superman in the first place.
Oh and yeah like 10 rewatches later and there's so many things in this trailer I still hadn't picked up yet at first
I am kinda happy it's not just me who pays attention to movies I talk about. I know I come across was Zack Snyder's biggest acolyte but honestly people's criticism are just really fucking stupid. I don't get why people feel Superman has to fucking smile all the time when he does a good deed to be heroic. Why is someone being pensive about their role in the world is viewed as mopey? I said it before and I'll say it agaIn, why is it better that when Superman is accused of something he reflects on his actions having unforeseen consequences, is willing to talk to senators and defend his position to the army/the world/Batman it is viewed negatively? Yet the first sign of criticism Captain America can say safest hands are still our own and a lot of people say his hubris and unwillingness to entertain the idea of supervision of be held to account makes him heroic. It's, to put it blunt, bullshit. To butcher principle skinner its the kids that are wrong.
cr0w
Old Member
It's not just you. It's simply that, at this point, it's exhausting to even try to legitimately discuss the movies because people bring up the same arguments over and over and, when thoughtfully rebutted or flat out proven wrong, they just ignore it and circle back around and argue with someone else.
Twig and Berries
Member
I hate to say it's both sides but it's both sides. People have made up their minds on Snyder's Superman and aren't going to budge one way or the other.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
only kinda happy?
Not full-on happy?
Not even like, mostly pleased?
Let yourself be happy, Bleep.
Urhhhh what? No he didn't you're making shit up. Did you actually pay attention to the movie or did you just make up your own movie in your head? He talked to Clark about actions having unforeseen consequences and he gave the example of diverting the flood water leading to horses drowning and nightmares. The only cure to said nightmares was to have someone who can be his world when times got tough.
PaleFolklore
Member
Everything about these DC movies looks cheap as fuck. Even Wonder Woman looked cheap and lifeless. Are people really excited about this?
People like stewing in their own bullshit. They are objectively proven wrong but hey an echo chamber of lies sounds better than hearing the truth. I can understand people thinking BVS is too inside baseball, I can understand people finding it boring, I can even understand the dislike of characterisations. I can't however understand the lies and intentionally ignoring the many examples where the film addressed their complaints.
It's tough to make a 200m+ film look cheap. Give them their due.
Jesus, this is comical. Yes, people are excited. The fact that you may not be but can't understand why other might be is amazing to me. I'm not the biggest Star Wars guy but totally get why millions are hyped about the upcoming films. It's not that difficult.
I mean, this is true in regards to the general audience I guess, but definitely not true in regards to Bleepey in particular, who spearheads this whole shebang. Bleepey is a very disingenous poster who keeps bringing up the marvel comparisons in every DC thread and then condescends to anyone who disagrees with him. His actual arguments aren't that impressive either. You can't swing a cat in his arguments without hitting a false equivalency, unjustified assumption, or critical reduction (whenever talking about Marvel characterization). But that would be fine and just a part of normal conversation.... if he didn't consider himself the sole arbiter of what is a valid argument. It makes having an actual conversation with him impossible because, in his mind, as this post exemplifies, you can't actually disagree with him. You can only be a less intelligent critic than him. Because if you were actually paying attention, you'd naturally come to the same conclusion he has. Because his interpretation is obviously the correct one. Edit: holy shit. I rest my case.
So people ignore him and then he asks "but why doesn't anyone argue mah points?"
People have walked away with their own conclusions of both movies at this point and it would take a very, very strong argument to change anyone's mind, sure. But that's not why people don't bother with Bleepey's BS anymore. People can't be bothered to actually argue against his points because they know it's pointless. There's no argument or evidence they can post that he won't dismiss and then act as if he won the argument by default.
When I first saw BvS my immediate thought of the Superman funeral scene was "OK this is how they make Superman the big iconic hero in future films, and move away from the pseudo hard sci-fi story about an adopted alien portrayal in MoS." Basically a soft reboot of the character's tone.
It made sense to me and I thought it was kinda poetic in a meta way because he is killed and(eventually) reborn into a different type of character.
I guess I can understand if people didn't like it("It wasn't earned" is probably the most uttered critique of DCEU) but if you saw BvS I don't see how it can blind side you. Or if you saw Sui Squa too. It had Amanda Freaking Waller praising Superman and saying he held our values and shit. If those most paranoid distrustful schemer in DCEU accepted Supes as a hero it is so. Even if you don't personally like the films.
It made sense to me and I thought it was kinda poetic in a meta way because he is killed and(eventually) reborn into a different type of character.
I guess I can understand if people didn't like it("It wasn't earned" is probably the most uttered critique of DCEU) but if you saw BvS I don't see how it can blind side you. Or if you saw Sui Squa too. It had Amanda Freaking Waller praising Superman and saying he held our values and shit. If those most paranoid distrustful schemer in DCEU accepted Supes as a hero it is so. Even if you don't personally like the films.
Bleepey you're a little blunt when it comes to your passions but I've always wanted you on the Discord chat we have set up here. I think you and I could make a wonderful team-up
Yea, that's my take on it. For a lot of the people here that watched it and saw everything Superman was up to, it doesn't feel "earned". But yes, it is not something that you can say blindsided you.
The Strokes
Banned
Jesus Christ. I know you guys like to take a shit on DC just for the sake of it but bitching about the cgi has got to be the stupidiest complaint I've seen.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
But this is what people are reacting to, really—It's not that they're blindsided. It's not that they missed something, or weren't paying attention, or are misunderstanding what's going on. A lot of people are getting it just fine:
Tell, don't show
And this is what they're reacting to. The films didn't show a lot of what they're telling you. They paid it lip service and then told you it counted. Amanda Waller says that a thing happened, so it happens. Bruce says Superman represented a thing, so its a representation.
Man of Steel and Batman v Superman (and Man of Steel was much better at it than BvS was, even though it still didn't do it all that well) paid a lot of lip service to Superman's ability to inspire, but almost all the drama of the films themselves aren't focused on that. The characters in the films who are supposed to represent those feelings - largely don't feel those things.
We are told later they did. We are told later that other people also felt that stuff. And people can point to the moments where the lip service is paid, the perfunctory execution is shrugged at, and the effects are explained to us instead of felt, and asked to accept that as being satisfactory.
Tell, don't show is a huge shortcut for these movies. Wonder Woman worked because it does not take that shortcut very often. Justice League's trailer seems to suggest that in some parts it has to (and Suicide Squad indulged this as well) because the story won't work if they don't shortcut the feeling that never got earned in the prior two movies.
Like, films aren't wikipedia entries - you can't just say a thing happened and then use it as a bullet point later as if that counts as building a living fictional world. It doesn't.
Often, Superman's effect on the world he occupied in MoS and BvS is an effect we're told about second and thirdhand instead of shown, or made to feel. And that's why Bruce's line rang false as fuck to a lot of people who heard it. Because the Superman he's describing was not the Superman we were shown, and the people we were asked to identify with in those movies certainly didn't think of or react to him in that way, either.
Twig and Berries
Member
tbf, that fence is tiny
InstigateAndInquire
Member
The scene was in Official Trailer 1 from March 25th, when she leg sweeps a dude. Same scene.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's not even really that the fence is tiny
Dude just surfed a dead alien through a concrete and steel enforced multi-story building from like 1000ft up.
Why would he hop the babyfence.
Like, the scene would be amazing if he goes through all that and TRIPS over the fucking thing. Just shins himself and faceplants.
Gets angry and forks it to death with his trident.
Dude just surfed a dead alien through a concrete and steel enforced multi-story building from like 1000ft up.
Why would he hop the babyfence.
Like, the scene would be amazing if he goes through all that and TRIPS over the fucking thing. Just shins himself and faceplants.
Gets angry and forks it to death with his trident.
BadAss2961
Member
Bleepey you're a little blunt when it comes to your passions but I've always wanted you on the Discord chat we have set up here. I think you and I could make a wonderful team-up
Discord? What's that? Also I'll rebut Veelk later. If I come across condescending it's because sometimes/a lot of the time it's deserved.
"On my world, it means hope."
Of course it is. How can it be undeserved when it's against you? Obviously, it can't. You can never do wrong, Lord Bleepey, obviously.
It's still a trident. They went for an pretty close copy of the comics version of the "Trident of Neptune". Granted, I don't know what they were thinking when the comics creators designed it to have five prongs, but it is what it is.
I think there's some truth in what you say but they did show it in BvS, imo. The whole character arc was "People can't trust Supes, well he literally killed himself to save them(I know Lois but it's one and the same at this point), now they know he is good but it's too late and they regret their cold shoulders." Which ideally leads into "Oh your back! I'm so happy to see you! Everyone smile it's Superman!"
I really like the DCEU movies but I think they have huge problems. I wish BvS could of been a BvS movie not a gateway into a greater DCEU.
I don't mind refocusing as long as the movies turn out alright, it's been kinda hit and miss so far.
I really like the DCEU movies but I think they have huge problems. I wish BvS could of been a BvS movie not a gateway into a greater DCEU.
I don't mind refocusing as long as the movies turn out alright, it's been kinda hit and miss so far.
No, that makes it a quindent, even if the comics also got it wrong.
Dent means "tooth", referring to the prongs. Tri means "three". If it's got 5 prongs, it can't be any kind of "Tri"
BadAss2961
Member
Nah, i don't want any gags messing up Aquamomoa's combo finish.
He could've either surfed dude right through the fence, or used it as the perfect opportunity to hop off for style points. He chose the latter.
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YEA-UH
broncobuster
Banned
Gordon Shumway
Banned
This is stupid to a degree I can't even begin to break down. How fucking embarrassing..and I say this as a person who recently lost a child. The fuck, man? Crusade. Your handle is apt as ever..idiot..
See above response. I don't care if comics did it too, that just means they're also wrong.
I'm not even hating. There are a lot of things to hate about the DCEU, and this isn't one of them. I don't mind the change at all, it looks cool and this is just a little friendly ribbing.
But it isn't a trident. It just isn't.
Sent you a pm.
Twig and Berries
Member
fixed
That's honestly the only setting I've ever enjoyed seeing Cyborg. He's got an actual character driven purpose there.
As someone who doesn't read comics, I was so mad when I finally found out that Cyborg is with the Justice League now
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's a relatively empty montage, and it's intended effect is largely unearned. It's utility as a storytelling tool isn't to payoff anything that's happened in the movie it's closing out, it's laid in there clumsily because it needs to be in order for the pre-ordained return to work somewhat.
It's telling, not showing still. It's telling us that the ground has been laid for the triumphant return we already know is coming, and it's telling us that it will be triumphant whether or not the work is done to make it feel that way, because look at all these sad people who realized their mistake too late and boy won't they be happy when he comes back and they're ready for him now.
The entire split/divide between Clark & Humanity was always artificial and forced for the sake of a cynical "reality" that bears similarity to our own but doesn't resemble it—or examine it—in any depth. Clark distrusts humanity because his father taught him to. Humanity distrusts Clark because Jonathan needs to be right in order to justify Clark's weird arms-length wishy washy superhero tone.
"We miss you now that you're gone" is a leap that isn't earned at all by the filmmakers. It's there because it has to be. So they tell us it's real. It's up to you whether you wanna buy it or not.
THAT ALL SAID
If they can start building from their cheats and shortcuts and stop TAKING those shortcuts going forward, and presenting characters who meaningfully affect the other characters in their orbit, I'm fine with it. I hope it happens. I'll be watching Justice League and I hope it doesn't get botched. But they're gonna have to work harder on the storytelling side to make Superman feel heroic in the way we've been told up to this point everyone else feels, when we can see that they don't.
edit: man these threads have some shit going on in 'em, huh. Wow.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
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MugiwaraCole
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Not sure if minority is the word I'd use. My TL's pretty mixed on it, anyways.
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