-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Killer Instinct: Season 2 runs at 90 FPS
- Thread starter statham
- Start date
sounds to me like a very simple situation...
the game runs in an unlocked state at or around 90fps...a developer would then cap the framerate at 60fps so that it displays properly when output by the console...a game that is capable of running at 90fps probably insures that there is just about nothing the engine can throw at the hardware that would ever cause a visible frame drop...
upping res to say 1080p may very well be possible with that kind of frame rate headroom...but maybe at 1080p you get dips below 60fps...which may be something the dev is trying to avoid at all costs...
the game runs in an unlocked state at or around 90fps...a developer would then cap the framerate at 60fps so that it displays properly when output by the console...a game that is capable of running at 90fps probably insures that there is just about nothing the engine can throw at the hardware that would ever cause a visible frame drop...
upping res to say 1080p may very well be possible with that kind of frame rate headroom...but maybe at 1080p you get dips below 60fps...which may be something the dev is trying to avoid at all costs...
drotahorror
Banned
Well, it's already the best looking fighter on ps4/xb1 when it comes to fighters that actually look 3D.
Thanks, so it's most likely due to rollback / input prediction.
edit : if i understand correctly, it uses the overhead to render frames you might need by anticipating the servers commands.
DieAntwoord
Banned
ITT: people who don't understand to achieve that "60fps lock" they want so badly requires to game to render more than 60 fps at a time.
Backfoggen
Banned
Dang Bungie did some magic with the lag at 30 fps. No wonder Destiny feels so good to play.
JayWood2010
Member
They're talking about Xbox One for the record and its to make online run smoothly. THis was answered a few days ago. And thankfully KI's online is just that, smooth and consistent which i can not say for other fighting games.
https://twitter.com/KI_Central/status/622160022953287680
KI_Central ‏@KI_Central Jul 17
KI actually runs at 90fps, which is why the net play works so smoothly
83 retweets 92 favorites
https://twitter.com/KI_Central/status/622160022953287680
KI_Central ‏@KI_Central Jul 17
KI actually runs at 90fps, which is why the net play works so smoothly
83 retweets 92 favorites
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
it sounds like the internal game logic / netcode runs at 90hz, but the renderer won't run at 90fps as no tv supports that.
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
Ghost Slayer
Member
"Actually look 3D" what does this mean?
Ricky Ricardo
Member
900p90?
That's a first.
That's a first.
I don't have this game yet D:
Not Guilty Gear, I guess.
Uiki
Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
It's not for looks. It's to make the online play smoother.
Wtf does this mean? Ki is definitely not the best looking anything.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
That being said every game that outputs a solid 60fps is rendering more than 60. And of course they cannot make a claim of a single render time since it will change with the workload. So what is this announcement all about?
That idea sounds reasonable. Similar to how some games have game logic / things like animation tied to 30 FPS (like Halo 1), maybe KI is doing that internally at 90 FPS while the game itself runs at 60 FPS.
drotahorror
Banned
It's hard to mention any other fighter looking better than Guilty Gear xrd. GG looks 2D but it's actually 3D. KI, MK, etc, they're 2d games but have 3d models and they look 3d as well.
I dunno, it's a dumb way of saying things, the way I worded it. GG looks like a freakin anime, it's insane looking. But I think KI looks better regardless, just a better art style to me.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It's just letting people know how they were able to make the game play smoothly online. They are running the game at 90 fps in order to do it.
JayWood2010
Member
It has already been explained, this is to make online smoother which it does. KI's net code hase been praised for being one o, if not the best of its genre, and now we know why.
Play other fighting games online and you will understand why smooth online is so needed.
As the FGC for KI has said. You have no excuse not to get practice in for tournament caliber KI. Unlike other games, the online and local are practically the same.
To be fair it's only between MKX and KI for non-cross gen fighters on PS4/XB1. Injustice, USFIV and Guilty Gear are cross-gen.
I'm not including Tekken 7 or SFV just yet since we don't know what the end products will look like.
drotahorror
Banned
Shits on MKX. GG xrd probably looks better but I don't like the artstyle so to me KI looks nicer.
Haven't seen SFV in person but it looks like it'll be the king of fighting game graphics when it drops. Looks really nice.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Yep. Other devs need to take note. KI is the Gold standard for online fighting games.
jediyoshi
Member
How does that figure? The game can run at whatever fps it wants, it's not like when a game is running at 42fps everything breaks because 1080p42 displays aren't a thing either.
Then if they aimed for 60fps, it'd constantly dip under that instead now. Now you don't have 60fps.
sixteen-bit
Member
I see what you did there.
fallingdove
Member
Xrd and MKX look much better IMO. KI looks OKish. The made huge improvements with season 2 through I must say.
90 frames per second is interesting, though with the exception of combo breakers and lockouts, KI doesn't feel like a fighter that requires precision.
Horsemama1956
Member
Why would it constantly dip below 60 if they aimed for 60? Fighting games have been locked 60 for years. Not really comparable to other genres that aim for a target fps.
Acquiescence
Member
Glad to hear it, 60fps is a fucking slideshow.
To be fair, it also depends on the game's system. SF4 will never feel as good because it wasn't designed for online play and requires strict timing. There's only so much you can do with netcode.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Anything below 120fps and 4k looks like an N64 game.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Eh not all of them there's a reason why sometimes the training room is the most used stage in some fighters, because the locked 60fps isn't always as constant as you would expect.
Because what matters for "locked [x]fps" is that the MINIMUM framerate in the absence of a limit/vsync has to be [x]. So for "locked 60fps", the minimum FPS should be 60 if there was no framerate limit, but the average would be higher.
there is literally no advantage to rendering at a framerate higher that 60fps for a TV. infact it would be dumb to render at that frame rate as its wasted performance as the display cant display them. it however makes sense if the netcode is syncing to the server / other player at 90hz this is something that would improve the network experience.
a whole game doesn't have to run in lockstep with itself you can have different parts of it updating at different rates. The renderer is most certainly running at a locked 60fps no higher (and no lower if they can help it) . it makes sense if the netcode has a tickrate of 90hz though.
I really believe they are talking about tickrate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiHPQ0MEW0
I'm not to clear on the specifics but people have been pushing the frame rate of counter strike go to induce the same thing.
Servers to my understanding have a tick rate. Pushing more frames gets you closer to the tick rate and that improves latency
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
That is like the heart of the game lol. KI is also very fast paced and footsie heavy. Better input reads is definitely a big plus.
Haha, amazing
The game logic most likely runs at a fixed time step, rendering can be done independent. You do this for a number of reasons, but specifically for deterministic purposes. Many game engines do this. Having a frame rate determined based on how fast your computer can run the game can lead to mathematical errors which might change the game. For example in Quake 3, if you run the game at 125fps the player jumps higher.
Seems like they might be running an additional game logic in case a rollback is required.
Yup. game has to consistently stay above 60 to be 60fps locked.
wesleyshark
Banned
Lol exactly. It's like the game has 100 attribute points and if you take some from the framerate then you can just allocate them to graphics. Just.. No.
You say that as if combo breakers/counter breakers/shadow counters aren't key to KI's gameplay.
Manuals also require precise timing.