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[GigaDrive]

this is probably going to be one of my favorite threads.

many of you remember that a short DEMO of Sega's Model 3 racing game, Scud Race(r) aka Super GT was made for and shown on Katana development kits. it was the Set or Step 2.1 kit, and I think this had something like 40% of the power/speed of the final Dreamcast hardware. or maybe that was Set/Step 4, I don't really know for certain. Set/Step 5 was the final hardware I believe. but regardless, the Scud Race / Super GT demo was produced on *something* LESS than final Dreamcast hardware. edit: the demo is running on PowerVR ARC1, the prototype and arcade version of PowerVR2, which is weaker/slower than the PowerVR2DC aka CLX2 used in Dreamcast and NAOMI.

with out further delay here it is:

http://jollyrogerdev.ath.cx/Set2_1/Set2_1.html

there are also 2 videos of this demo but I have yet to see them as they are loading very slowly.

 

[LuckyBrand]

would be sweet to have a home version of Scud Racer/SuperGT..

that game rocked, I actually enjoyed it more than daytona 2 in my brief arcade play of both...

 

[XS+]

That looks freakin awesome, even with filtering turned off. I've seen DC do a great job of reproducing Model 3 graphics (VOOT, a Model 3 Step 2 game iirc), I'm sure an early Model 3 game like SCUD Race would have looked gorgeous on DC.

 

[Sho Nuff]

HOLY SHIT

That is seriously like the Grail for Sega fanboys... well that and VF3 on Saturn

 

[The Shadow]

Are you guys getting images? They're not showing up for me.

 

[GigaDrive]

yeah concidering this demo is running on hardware that is most likely less than half as powerful as the Dreamcast, imagine if AM2 / Amusement Vision had spent a year to 18 months porting Super GT / Scud Race to the full Dreamcast, using not WinCE but the lower level Sega graphics libraries, releasing it in 1999. the Dreamcast could easily rival Model 3 in most areas, especially the Step 1.5 Model 3 that Scud Race / Super GT used.

look how decent (not awesome, but decent) Sega Rally 2 is on Dreamcast. it was a Step 2.0 Model 3 arcade game, converted to Dreamcast in a matter of months, a rushed job, using the shitty WinCE OS instead of Sega's Ninja or Dragon API / OS / Library (whatever Sega's low level API/OS/libraries were)....

even though this demo is not on par with the arcade, its an early demo coded up in a matter of weeks supposedly. imagine a year or more of time spent on a complete port to final Dreamcast hardware..... sigh!

 

[GigaDrive]

is anyone having luck downloading the movies ?

http://jollyrogerdev.ath.cx/Set2_1/Images/Drive2_Demo.avi
http://jollyrogerdev.ath.cx/Set2_1/Images/Scud_Demo.avi


its going PAINFULLY SLOW for me and i'm on 3 mb comcast cable.... I want to see this baby in motion.... aghhhhhhh fuck, the connection was reset. fuuck!

 

[Sho Nuff]

I will mirror this as soon as it's done downloading.

 

[Ryo]

Is there supposed to be pictures in this thread? If so (and I do think so) someone host them! I'm not seeing anything and I am on a freaking 100mb line here.

 

[Vibri]

Sega had the Scud Race demo running on DC at TGS, can't remember which year but it was the same one where they debuted DC. Looked pretty good if I remember.

 

[aoi tsuki]

The site is likely getting hammered, epsecially with everyone direct linking vids. If the pics ever come up for me, i'm PDFing this page.

 

[Sho Nuff]

Notice the unfiltered MIP maps on the road off in the distance!

 

[GigaDrive]

Sega had the Scud Race demo running on DC at TGS, can't remember which year but it was the same one where they debuted DC. Looked pretty good if I remember

well i think that would have been spring TGS 1998. I think the demo was coded in late 1997 as i remember reading about it then. google it to confirm.

 

[GigaDrive]

btw, sorry to those of you who cannot see the pics, i have no trouble seeing it. im not sure why you cannot see them, here's the direct link again


http://jollyrogerdev.ath.cx/Set2_1/Set2_1.html

 

[Ryo]

Finally I am getting pics.. Looking saucy!

 

[drohne]

oh man, that looks good. turn on texture filtering and it'd already be one of the better model 3 ports...bet it would've been really close on final hardware. shame they never bothered porting it.

 

[FortNinety]

still not working for me

 

[segasonic]

first one who posts a mirror gets a cookie

 

[GigaDrive]

still cant get the vids downloaded. :/

 

[Hotsuma]

Where are the pics and vid?

 

[GigaDrive]

here: http://jollyrogerdev.ath.cx/Set2_1/Set2_1.html

you should see the pics but havent been able to d/l the vids so far...

 

[GigaDrive]

related article (not related to the source of the Scud Racer pictures but its on the same subject)

http://www.pczone.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=8991

Sega have commissioned a series of demos to show off the power of the Katana, including a short rendition of Scud Race running on the new hardware. The demo shows the Ferrari F50 from the game speeding around the small oval track introduced in the coin-op pseudo-sequel Scud Race Plus. Multiple camera angles are employed to show the car's progress around the track and the flexibility of the 3D engine. Minus a few effects (this demo was originally written for the incomplete development kit), the demo runs at the same frame rate and resolution as the arcade game. It's conclusive proof that Katana "does" Model 3. And that's pre-first generation software knocked up in a couple of weeks! Says our spy, "Katana's the first system that will match or even out-perform contemporary arcade hardware. Think out it: Megadrive conversions were some way off their arcade counterparts (Super Monaco GP) and we all remember the graphical compromises of Daytona USA on Saturn. This new system actually leap-frogs ahead of Model 3 in many important areas of the specification and as far I know, that's a first"

 

[jett]

You can see the pictures at the "alternate" forum. Looks similiar to the arcade original, which in turn means that it really doesn't look impressive at all. ; )

 

[GigaDrive]

yeah well the arcade Scud Race / Super GT came out in 1997, it was only the 2nd Model 3 game made. it was damn impressive for 1997-1998. what is more impressive is the fact that the Katana demo version was running on hardware that was a fraction of what the final Dreamcast was.

 

[neptunes]

.

 

[GigaDrive]

what were you gonna say, neptunes ?

 

[Shogmaster]

Where's the mirror bitches!?!?!

 

[FortNinety]

I can see the pics now and am downloading the films. Taking forever though...

GigaDrive, just wanted to say that you are becoming my favorite poster!

 

[GigaDrive]

thanks dude (and you're welcome) i just try to find "the whoa that's cool!" stuff, and share.

especially stuff that many of us have heard about, but never actually got to SEE

 

[atomiswave]

wow, effing nice pics....hoping to be able to download the video soon.

 

[GigaDrive]

i am, again, attempting to download the vids. everytime i've tried, it disconnects from the server or times out, or whateverthef it does......downloading the Scud Race demo is currently 3 hrs+ .... im on cable too.

 

[The Faceless Master]

so anyone get 'em yet?

i managed to get them from someone, dunno if they want me to mention their name

 

[GigaDrive]

nope :/

 

[FortNinety]

I managed to get the demo featuring both cars going down a stretch of road, with the camera circling. Even though it's not much, its still extremely impressive! I'm trying to nab the next one, but I don't think I'll have much luck.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i would mirror the vids but both of my sites are down

 

[ourumov]

For some reason this remembers me about a section of Big Blue in GX...

 

[ChumsGum]

BeOnEdge is uploading them now. should be done in a few. check back.

 

[HAOHMARU]

All I am getting is red X's...BULLSHIT!

Can somebody host these?

 

[ChumsGum]

here are the movies. no need for pics. he will host these only for a few days. right click and save target as.

http://home.pacbell.net/devar79/scud_race.zip

 

[FortNinety]

http://www.fort90.com/journal/index.php?p=49

Look at the bottom.

 

[FortNinety]

Saw the race track vid.... that's really nice! Aside from the pop up and small details, it's really awesome looking (I'm still keeping in mind how quick these demos were put together).

 

[GigaDrive]

kewl, thanks guys.

now that I've finally seen it in motion, knowing it was 60fps, even though the video is less than 30fps, and knowing that this demo runs on Set 2.1 katana dev-kit which has something like 1/3 the speed/power of Dreamcast, I am fairly impressed. it's not mind blowing or anything, but damn impressive for something knocked up in a few weeks on very very incomplete hardware. btw, it doesnt even use the Hitach SH4 CPU at all, it runs on a PC, so in 1997, that would be a Pentium II most likely. Pentium IIs have far lower FP performance than an SH4. something like 1/4 - so all in all, Dreamcast could have done an exellent Scud Race with say 12-16 months development time.

 

[ourumov]

Dreamcast had 1.4GFLOPS...
IIRC, PII never had SSE and they were maximum-clocked at 450 Mhz which gives us:

450*2=0.9 GFLOPS (not really GFLOPS since MMX is fixed point)

or just .45 GFOPS if we just consider the FPU.

 

[GigaDrive]

Ourumov, thanks for the correction on PII's fp capabilities.

 

[ourumov]

Just seen the videos and it's fairly impressing. Cars feature a nice multi-texturing and the real time lightning rocks .

 

[Ryo]

And via Game Critics comes a look into the minds of the booth babes of E3. Best response regarding how it feels to pose for so many sweaty (and horny) fan boys was easily:

“It’s weird when they put their arms around me,” she replies…"but then I feel them shaking and I’m like, whatever, if it’s so important to you . . . it’s funny when guys come up to me and tell me that it’s their first time touching a girl.”.

from the FortNinety's site. .. totally sad

 

[GigaDrive]

Scud Racer could've been completely ported over, with enhancements, maybe not in time for Dreamcast's late Nov 1998 launch in Japan, but certainly in time for Dreamcast's 9/9/99 launch in the USA.

 

[BeOnEdge]

since the code is obviously partially ported, maybe we'll see a home port as part of a compilation one day. unless EA still has the porsche liscence. bastards.

 

[Shompola]

Looks very good.

 

[BeOnEdge]

anyone whe hasnt seen this yet, please DL asap as i will be taking it down tonight. KTHXBYE!

http://home.pacbell.net/devar79/scud_race.zip