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Killzone 2 Public Beta email recieved
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makingmusic476 said:
Assuming it will be a low-point of all Sony-released titles is crazy IMO. You're hand-picking specific titles that may, or may not look better ... but there will be a lot of Sony titles released next year, many of which will obviously be below KZ2
Two things, first there's art. Part of the reason KZ2 looks as good as it does is based on its art design, which is not only very good, but very consistent. Secondly, many of the effects they've put into their engine were made specifically for what the art team wanted. There is no way to know if those other games will necessarily best KZ2 in art direction, and we also have no idea if they will have as many effects, etc. built custom for what their art team is trying to accomplish.
Second, you are assuming that technical prowess on one system guarantees technical prowess on another. That is not true, not only in terms of code efficiency, but as well as with resource utilization (that latter is a bit of a mixture of art and prowess). Example, Tekken Tag Tournament used something like 10,000+ polys per model. Later fighting games had models that looked as good utilizing far less. Similar obvious examples exist for car models.
While there may be examples of teams making the jump (ND has been quite consistent), there are in fact more that do not in one or the other areas, if not both. And even more that don't do it on their first few iterations.
Specifically regarding one of the titles you cite, GoW II was their second in the series, and was utilizing an engine they were perfecting for years (Kinetica).
makingmusic476
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Well, we were talking about Uncharted, but in regards to Killzone 2, I thought they hadn't really begun development until well after the target render was released?Clinton514 said:
Hell, wasn't Liberation announced after Killzone 2?
I mean, KZ2 was announced at E305, and KZL came out at the end of 2006, with the DLC hitting like six months later. At best, they had a team working on concepts throughout 2005 and early 2006, which would explain things like why the Corinth River stage from the original trailer is so vastly different from the one in the final game.
I seem to recall GG mentioning a three year development cycle in an interview back at E3, which would fit right in with this timeline.
makingmusic476
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Meh. I believe Uncharted 2 and God of War III will look spectacular at the end of next year. You can disagree if you want, lol.Onix said:
And I'm sure Sony's other internal titles will look great as well. We already know GT looks great. Then there's Trico, etc.
makingmusic476
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Best new IP this gen after LBP!Kittonwy said:Did someone mention UNCHARTED 2!!!222!!!???
makingmusic476 said:
Did I say they won't look spectacular? I'll be more than happy if they do best KZ2, but that isn't what I've been arguing.
Your statement does seem to indicate an all-or-nothing viewpoint. Does a game have to best KZ2 to be considered spectacular now? That's setting the bar a bit high. Might as well say everything sucks unless its the best
I'm sure they'll look fine. Will they look better? Who knows. That doesn't change the fact Sony has several other titles coming out, including ones we may not even know about.
I just don't know how you can state you think KZ2 will be the graphical 'low-point' of all Sony releases next year with anything approaching sincerity. If that's how you feel, then fine, we probably shouldn't be derailing this thread any further anyway. It just seems (insanely to be honest) hyperbolic to me.
makingmusic476
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. My main point was that things should only get better from here on out.
I see the word Sony/Internal Title's.....
But seriously, sorry to de-rail the thread again, but what company affiliated with sony haven't we heard from yet, despite the obvious Team ICO and R* Exclusive.
I've been thinking very hard who could of made that BBC game. *insert Kittonwy's frown*
But seriously, sorry to de-rail the thread again, but what company affiliated with sony haven't we heard from yet, despite the obvious Team ICO and R* Exclusive.
I've been thinking very hard who could of made that BBC game. *insert Kittonwy's frown*
Clinton514
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Something like that but...I specifically remember fans on the PlayStation forums getting pissy about Liberation because it wasn't a PS2 sequel.makingmusic476 said:
So KZ2 was announced shortly after in `05. I can't remember the exact date, but Liberation was announced around the time Sony acquired GG.
makingmusic476
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@fizzle:
As far as internal studios are concerned, I'm sure Sony Liverpool has been working on something aside from WipEout HD since F1:CE was released way back in 2006 (could be that rumored third person action game "The Protector"). And I'm sure SCEJ is working on something besides firmware and Trico. And we have to actually SEE Trico at some point. And Sony London might still be working on a hardcore title for us, though who knows what it could be. And then there's Evolution's subsidiary, BigBig Studios, that hasn't announced a thing in quite some time.
As far as Sony's second parties are concerned, we still haven't seen Eat Sleep Play's ps3 project (though it's basically confirmed to be a new Twisted Metal).
@onix:
Agreed.
As far as internal studios are concerned, I'm sure Sony Liverpool has been working on something aside from WipEout HD since F1:CE was released way back in 2006 (could be that rumored third person action game "The Protector"). And I'm sure SCEJ is working on something besides firmware and Trico. And we have to actually SEE Trico at some point. And Sony London might still be working on a hardcore title for us, though who knows what it could be. And then there's Evolution's subsidiary, BigBig Studios, that hasn't announced a thing in quite some time.
As far as Sony's second parties are concerned, we still haven't seen Eat Sleep Play's ps3 project (though it's basically confirmed to be a new Twisted Metal).
@onix:
Agreed.
makingmusic476 said:@fizzle:
As far as internal studios are concerned, I'm sure Sony Liverpool has been working on something aside from WipEout HD since F1:CE was released way back in 2006 (could be that rumored third person action game "The Protector"). And I'm sure SCEJ is working on something besides firmware and Trico. And we have to actually SEE Trico at some point. And Sony London might still be working on a hardcore title for us, though who knows what it could be. And then there's Evolution's subsidiary, BigBig Studios, that hasn't announced a thing in quite some time.
As far as Sony's second parties are concerned, we still haven't seen Eat Sleep Play's ps3 project (though it's basically confirmed to be a new Twisted Metal).
@onix:
Agreed.
Ohhh.
It's BigBig Studio's maybe.
makingmusic476 said:@fizzle:
As far as internal studios are concerned, I'm sure Sony Liverpool has been working on something aside from WipEout HD since F1:CE was released way back in 2006 (could be that rumored third person action game "The Protector"). And I'm sure SCEJ is working on something besides firmware and Trico. And we have to actually SEE Trico at some point. And Sony London might still be working on a hardcore title for us, though who knows what it could be. And then there's Evolution's subsidiary, BigBig Studios, that hasn't announced a thing in quite some time.
As far as Sony's second parties are concerned, we still haven't seen Eat Sleep Play's ps3 project (though it's basically confirmed to be a new Twisted Metal).
@onix:
Agreed.
After reading this post does anyone get the feeling that this gen is going to last a lot longer than a lot of people expect?
iceatcs
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What I have seen all the videos, there are some delayed, few really bad but some fine.AzerPhire said:
I suspect it is not really dead yet but dying for while over medic purpose that you can do Medic class to heal the dying.
But I hoping they will fix tweak it to less delay when falling.
Anyway nice gifs
fizzelopeguss
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I can't get over how good the image quality is, this wouldn't look out of place on the highest end PC's
You think we'll see a KZ3 for the PS4?
Bang on 2 years i think, it had a modest budget as well IIRC. (as far as these hd console games go atleast)
You think we'll see a KZ3 for the PS4?
mr_nothin said:
Bang on 2 years i think, it had a modest budget as well IIRC. (as far as these hd console games go atleast)
fizzelopeguss
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Halvie said:
Nope, not with the way PS3 has bled money and with the wii printing it, i have a feeling the ps4 will come around pretty quickly. Revised cell, more efficient GPU, small form factor and "cheap". And they'll prolly try to get it out before MS's new console to regain market share.
Private Hoffman
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Onix said:
With the success of the Wii as basically a repackaged gamecube, I think the market has clearly spoken...
Rapping Granny
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.................read the last 3 pages.........................................ok that's it.......I am out...
Private Hoffman
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I hope GG immediately starts work on a Killzone 3, or a game that takes place in the Killzone universe but applies an open world RPG setting to a FPS with great cinematics.
So bleeding money means they will bleed more by releasing a PS4? Doesn't work that way.
Sony isn't that stupid. They're not going to repackage the PS4 as a PS3; they'll just relaunch the PS3 in a slimmer form.
It makes zero sense to do what you just said. Not everyone could emulate the Wii's success.
fizzelopeguss said:
So bleeding money means they will bleed more by releasing a PS4? Doesn't work that way.
Sony isn't that stupid. They're not going to repackage the PS4 as a PS3; they'll just relaunch the PS3 in a slimmer form.
It makes zero sense to do what you just said. Not everyone could emulate the Wii's success.
DCharlie
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i think the market (casual) gamers spoke and said they liked the new way of interaction.
It may end up that MS/Sony have to decide whether they will aim for the power angle or for the controller angle (or a little of both)
Would Sony/MS rather duke it out with each other again, or try and get in on Nintendo's new market? I'm not sure it's any easier for Sony/MS. God only knows what fruity idea N will do next!
Killzone: :O the graphics - yeah, i'm definitely saying the TGS demo was EARLY because these vids look light years ahead of what was on show.
I think GG will do another PS3 game so that they can reuse their work and expertise gained specifically from KZ2. They will spend 1-2 years instead of 4 for the next one. I think they would do another Killzone game instead of a new franchise when they do that.fizzelopeguss said:
fizzelopeguss
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Private Hoffman said:
Judging by the xbox avatars and sony's break apart controller, they're certaintly gonna try. :lol
Sony's still a hardware company at it's heart, the ps4 will be powerfull, i just don't expect it to be filled with cutting edge bizarre tech like the ps3 is.
Rapping Granny
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We are definitely not going to see KZ3 on PS4, you really think they are just going to let that engine go to waste?
Like I said, I want a proper Socom sequel by Sony Bend or Zipper using this engine.
Like I said, I want a proper Socom sequel by Sony Bend or Zipper using this engine.
nelsonroyale
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TaKeRx said:
GoW is great, but I prefer uncharted somewhat...mainly because of the far superior storytelling
liquidspeed
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well with me; I always get killed because Im distracted looking at all the awesome... and sometimes analyzing which tv settings make it look the best.ChryZ said:
rollingstart
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DCharlie said:
I have a feeling that Nintendo is going to go too far and mess up like they did with Wii Music. The Wii, and Wii Sports for comparison sake, are the traditional game systems, only with new inputs for them. Wii Music went too far into being a toy, and worst of all, they seemed proud of it. Maybe that is the direciton they want to go -- an electronic toy box.
nelsonroyale
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those vids show the fantastic art direction in this game
:lolChryZ said:
I know what you mean.
And the way the walls look, when they're lit up by the gunfire, is like :O
The way the bump mapping looks on the ground and walls and everything, when you see somebody firing their gun, is amazing. There's some type of paralax mapping on the ground also, the way the rocks on the ground look..it doesnt seem like regular ole bump mapping.
Also, it seems like just about every surface has some type of shader effect on it. Well at least on the courtyard map. I love the way the shaders look