A Twisty Fluken said:Anyway, the realization that the 4 year old Wiimote is still top of the heap has made this thread worth visiting.
A Twisty Fluken said:Anyway, the realization that the 4 year old Wiimote is still top of the heap has made this thread worth visiting.
freddy said:So 2 players only for a game like Joyride is pretty limiting. Do any of these Kinect games support online multiplayer?
I can't think of anything so blatantly misleading as the Kinect marketing campaign, though. There are really two Kinects--the one that exists in the promotional videos and the one that exists in reality. People who buy the latter are going to realize the discrepancy and it won't be pretty.MegaKungFuRadio said:I honestly have trouble believing that most people will care when it comes down to it. People buy games based on CG trailers all the time. Falling for marketing fakery is nothing new.
the 360 controller doesn't work standing up?WasteLand Soldier said:dude thats not the point. the point is playing on the couch with a wii controller is not much different than playing with a 360 controller. kinect is just giving 360 the motion part for standing up that it didnt have.
wii
sitting? wii control
standing? full control
360
sitting? 360 control
standing? nothing
kinect+reg control
sitting? reg control
standing? kinect.
MS is selling something that puts it on par with wii. its really simple.
Magnus said:Man, even if all these stories turn out to be debunked, this negative press can't be good for the damned thing. :lol
MegaKungFuRadio said:I honestly have trouble believing that most people will care when it comes down to it. People buy games based on CG trailers all the time. Falling for marketing fakery is nothing new.
WasteLand Soldier said:i like that an explaination is a meltdown :lol its not my fault most of you here just dont want to get it. more funny than anything else to me.
Red Ring of Death my friend.jamesinclair said:Im starting to feel bad for MS. Thats pretty amazing isnt it, feeling bad for a multibillion dollar corporation?
Did nobody think for a second "hm, maybe it would be best to delay this for one year, get all the issues worked out, and launch it as standard for the xbox 720?"
yeah, this is eerily reminiscent of the PS3 that had Dual HDMI and a 3 Port Gigabit Ethernet hub... and then it came out overpriced and under-featured...we know how long it took for Sony to rebuild from that... Kinect has it's work cut out for it...Ignis Fatuus said:I can't think of anything so blatantly misleading as the Kinect marketing campaign, though. There are really two Kinects--the one that exists in the promotional videos and the one that exists in reality. People who buy the latter are going to realize the discrepancy and it won't be pretty.
WasteLand Soldier said:yes i've seen a wii. 4 players in my home playing a wii has never happened tho and mario kart may as well not count either. its a different experience. so ok besides something like wii tennis where all 4 players are truly up and active, name something else as thats the only fair comparison.
The sitting issue is a software problem so it will be patched eventually, though none of the games currently out there are being designed to support sitting (that sounds rather silly now that I type it out). The 2 player only issue seems to be a straight up technical limitation so don't expect that to be fixed ever.spiderman123 said:i'm one of those sad sons of a bitches unfortunately. Just wondering about the future patches for Kinect. If any can someone mention this or point me to the right direction.?!
It's just processor intensive. If they gimp the game enough they could probably implement it somehow. Let the Kinect hog all the CPU resources. :lolIgnis Fatuus said:The sitting issue is a software problem so it will be patched eventually, though none of the games currently out there are being designed with sitting in mind. The 2 player only issue seems to be a straight up technical limitation so don't expect that to be fixed ever.
Ignis Fatuus said:The sitting issue is a software problem so it will be patched eventually, though none of the games currently out there are being designed with sitting in mind. The 2 player only issue seems to be a straight up technical limitation so don't expect that to be fixed ever.
Hype gets you the initial sales. What turned the Wii and its biggest hits into the juggernaut that MS is clearly going for was the word of mouth that comes after. Nintendo got me to bite on day 1, but it was taking it home at Thanksgiving and exposing my family and friends to the glory that really got them going.MegaKungFuRadio said:I honestly have trouble believing that most people will care when it comes down to it. People buy games based on CG trailers all the time. Falling for marketing fakery is nothing new.
WasteLand Soldier said:OMG i cant believe none of you are understanding this. or are you all just playing blind just to have a reason to bash kinect? lets say kinect didnt even exist. take that 4 player list that was posted and probably 80-90% of those 4 player games are played sitting on the couch like the gamecube, the n64, the snes and the nes that came before it. doesnt take much advantage of wii's control scheme besides tilt funtion and MAYBE some waggle. again something that can be replaced by the press of a button.
now take the fact that again, acting like kinect doesnt exist, the whole wii scheme and motion controls were ment to make play easier by getting people OFF the couch to make play easier. less buttons, more motion. now which of those 4 player games allow 4 people to get up and have an experience that you COULDNT have on the gamecube, 64, snes or nes? Tennis and what else now? oh thats right. eveything else makes you take turns or play 2 players.
expy said:It's just processor intensive. If they gimp the game enough they could probably implement it somehow. Let the Kinect hog all the CPU resources. :lol
MegaKungFuRadio said:I honestly have trouble believing that most people will care when it comes down to it. People buy games based on CG trailers all the time. Falling for marketing fakery is nothing new.
spiderman123 said:but the reality is some of us is still going to buy it........yes it sucks and i don't know if even most of these issues are going to be resolved but i can say for myself that imma prob still going to buy one, and the ps3 motion
WasteLand Soldier said:i like that an explaination is a meltdown :lol its not my fault most of you here just dont want to get it. more funny than anything else to me.
spiderman123 said:i'm one of those sad sons of a bitches unfortunately. Just wondering about the future patches for Kinect. If any can someone mention this or point me to the right direction.?!
A Twisty Fluken said:Hype gets you the initial sales. What turned the Wii and its biggest hits into a juggernaut that MS is clearly going for was the word of mouth that comes after. Nintendo got me to bite on day 1, but it was taking it home at Thanksgiving and exposing my family and friends to the glory that really got them going.
If Kinect gives people that level of joy, then hey, more power to them.
Nuclear Winter said:
WasteLand Soldier said:and wii only has a handful of 4 player games where everyone is up and playing at the same time anyway so big whoop to the what .5% of games that kinect cant do?
is it really a software problem though? maybe the 3D Camera hardware just isn't good enough to read enough information from the scene so there is insufficient data to determine that your legs are right in front of the sofa...Ignis Fatuus said:The sitting issue is a software problem so it will be patched eventually, though none of the games currently out there are being designed to support sitting (that sounds rather silly now that I type it out). The 2 player only issue seems to be a straight up technical limitation so don't expect that to be fixed ever.
MegaKungFuRadio said:I honestly have trouble believing that most people will care when it comes down to it. People buy games based on CG trailers all the time. Falling for marketing fakery is nothing new.
Haha. Fantastic try. But we both know the real deal as people got their hands on it during the show.Nuclear Winter said:http://i50.tinypic.com/2dq907.gif]
spiderman123 said:but the reality is some of us is still going to buy it........yes it sucks and i don't know if even most of these issues are going to be resolved but i can say for myself that imma prob still going to buy one, and the ps3 motion
I highly doubt it but that'd be a wonderful question to ask Microsoft.spiderman123 said:will they make a patch for older games?
Skiesofwonder said:I get the point you are trying to make and theoretically Kinect could have people switch in and out 2 at a time and it won't be too big of a deal, but I suggest you stop with this argument of "no 4-player active wii games" right now because obviously you are uninformed when it comes to this subject.
Off the top of my head:
Wii Sports (Tennis)
Wii Sports Resort (Rowboat, bicycling)
Wii Music
Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games
Raving Rabbid Party Games
Carnival Games
Just Dance
We Ski (and Snowboard)
Deca Sports
Rock Band
Grand Slam Tennis
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
EA Playground
This are all popular titles with 4-player simultaneous play and are very active games.... and trust me, their are a TON more titles that I can't think of or don't even know about (god so much junk is released for Wii lately...).
By the way people, Wii PLAY IS 2 PLAYERS ONLY. Have no idea what has you people under the impression that you could play 4 players on that game (i wish you could though).
Hero said:If this is priced 99 dollars or higher there aren't going to be that many people going out to buy this thing just to play games that can only support 2 players.
C4Lukins said:All of these games require 4 controllers though. The 360 can recognize 4 controllers at will, Kinect itself though cannot distinguish 4 different humans not using controllers. Neither can the Wii or PS3 for that matter.
And I do get how that is a problem, specifically because they are focusing so much on the whole no controller aspect of the system. But games like Rock Band are not played with Wii Motes to begin with, so lets be fair when debating this.
MegaKungFuRadio said:I respectfully disagree. For one, they're not going to advertise "Only supports 2 players," so it's up to the press to point that out. The gaming press didn't catch this until after E3 because they didn't think to ask or whatever. I just don't see the mainstream press covering this and saying, "Buyer beware: This only supports 2 players at a time." Maybe I'm wrong and mainstream will catch it because that's what they care about, but that's not what I believe will happen.
C4Lukins said:All of these games require 4 controllers though. The 360 can recognize 4 controllers at will, Kinect itself though cannot distinguish 4 different humans not using controllers. Neither can the Wii or PS3 for that matter.
And I do get how that is a problem, specifically because they are focusing so much on the whole no controller aspect of the system. But games like Rock Band are not played with Wii Motes to begin with, so lets be fair when debating this.
.WasteLand Soldier said:maybe i amexplaining itwrong.
Redbeard said:You have to seriously wonder about the software dryspell of Kinect as well.
They'll launch with their 15 casual games or whatever.
Then what?
What third party in their right mind would develop something exclusively for this -- because that's almost exactly what you have to do in order to develop for this thing at all.
WasteLand Soldier said:there's no damage to control because there's no damage done. nevermind. you guys dont have to understand. maybe i am explaining it wrong. all that matters is price. ms launches at 99 or less it'll be able to compete fine with wii and move even with its "limitations" as you guys put it, launch at 150 and MS deserves to have it flop. and it wouldnt be because of these so called limitations but because of price.
WasteLand Soldier said:fuck. thank you.
whats the most played game in wii sports? what basically sold the thing to elderly people world wide and launched the wii into the heavens? not smash, not rabbids, not anything that requires 4 players sitting down OR playing at the same time but BOWLING. where you take turns.
You are truly clueless.WasteLand Soldier said:whats the most played game in wii sports? what basically sold the thing to elderly people world wide and launched the wii into the heavens? not smash, not rabbids, not anything that requires 4 players sitting down OR playing at the same time but BOWLING. where you take turns.
DeathNote said:Nintendo... the leaders in casual gaming...
Wii sports & Resort... 4
Super Mario Bros Wii... 4
Mario Super Sluggers... 4
Mario Kart Wii.... 4
Mario Part 8... 4
Super Mario Galaxy... 2
Legend Of Zelda...1
List ranges from Hardcore to Casual.
The ability to have at least 4 players on non-narrative pro-multiplayer games has been a 100% standard for a long time. Until now apparently.
MegaKungFuRadio said:I respectfully disagree. For one, they're not going to advertise "Only supports 2 players," so it's up to the press to point that out. The gaming press didn't catch this until after E3 because they didn't think to ask or whatever. I just don't see the mainstream press covering this and saying, "Buyer beware: This only supports 2 players at a time." Maybe I'm wrong and mainstream will catch it because that's what they care about, but that's not what I believe will happen.
Magnus said:Man, even if all these stories turn out to be debunked, this negative press can't be good for the damned thing. :lol
i can't see how you get that the Kinect *is* a controller. It's been shown in (obviously staged now) videos to support 4 people playing.C4Lukins said:All of these games require 4 controllers though. The 360 can recognize 4 controllers at will, Kinect itself though cannot distinguish 4 different humans not using controllers. Neither can the Wii or PS3 for that matter.
And I do get how that is a problem, specifically because they are focusing so much on the whole no controller aspect of the system. But games like Rock Band are not played with Wii Motes to begin with, so lets be fair when debating this.
You care too much what other people thinkTheOddOne said:It amazes me that people people now are finding out info that was known a year ago :lol Shows you how many people are jumping on the hate train, cho cho