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Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix - help me find Riku

Yeah, that's Birth by Sleep. The side content in that game is awful.
Yup, it's my only hesitation with SE Osaka making KH3. DDD had lackluster side content as well IMO, though given how quickly that game seemed to have been developed, I wonder how many of that game's issues stem from insufficient time in the oven.
 
Yup, it's my only hesitation with SE Osaka making KH3. DDD had lackluster side content as well IMO, though given how quickly that game seemed to have been developed, I wonder how many of that game's issues stem from insufficient time in the oven.

I have mixed feelings about Osaka team being behind KH3. At least we should have a little better perspective next month when 0.2 hits.

As much shit as I give BBS it is actually really fun game for a portable system and a technical marvel to boot. For their first original game (not counting re:CoM) it was a damn fine one.

DDD kinda soured peoples opinions on the studio since it fixed none of the problems BBS had and removed pretty much all the best parts of it. But at the same time as you say DDD screams a rush job when they barely just had BBS finished with all the tweaks and bonus content for western and FM releases. For a game that had a ton of new systems made for it in such a short time it could have ended up being much, much worse.

With KH3 they certainly have more than enough time to iron out the base mechanics if they have the talent for it. And the fact that it is mostly based on KH2 (with MP charge ect. instead of just stacking multiple curagas and invisi frame heavy commands) I hope they can balance it much better.

But I swear if they screw this one up I'll just jump on the outsource everything to Platinum bandwagon.
 
I'm of the mindset that if you were not grabbed by KH or KHII when they first came out nothing will impress going back. The thing most people forget is that these games are old now. KHBBS is probably the best and that's because it's the newest (aside from Dream Drop Distance on the 3ds which I haven't played).

I love these games because they let you feel cool with all the flashy stuff sora and Co. do. That effect was true when I first played these games and it still lingers. A person going back to them nowadays may not experience these emotions.

The gameplay has gotten better with the progression of the series. Sadly it's so intertwined and up its own ass with the story (which I personally love with all my heart), that recommending these games for the gameplay alone is hard!

The Organization XIII final bosses in KHII FM capture what's so great about the gameplay in khii. They're the most unique thing about the game, and they all have their own motif and gimmick. Some are better than others, of course.

I was wondering if KH3 would try to make itself playable without knowing the rest of the games. But they've been re-releasing the older games and making a small cinematic in 2.8 we will most definitely get some more convoluted stories.
 
KH1 is the best in the series, the gameplay gets a bit better in sequels but it's pretty much all downhill from there. If you can't get into 1 then best just move on and forget the series.
Absolutely wrong. Couldn't have a worse opinion than this tbh. Gameplay is dramaticy better after CoM and the story ramps up. KH1 is vanilla disney friendship kumbaya and everything else is anime tripwire storyline crazy light vs dark shit. Love it or hate it, much better than KH1
 
I have mixed feelings about Osaka team being behind KH3. At least we should have a little better perspective next month when 0.2 hits.

As much shit as I give BBS it is actually really fun game for a portable system and a technical marvel to boot. For their first original game (not counting re:CoM) it was a damn fine one.

DDD kinda soured peoples opinions on the studio since it fixed none of the problems BBS had and removed pretty much all the best parts of it. But at the same time as you say DDD screams a rush job when they barely just had BBS finished with all the tweaks and bonus content for western and FM releases. For a game that had a ton of new systems made for it in such a short time it could have ended up being much, much worse.

With KH3 they certainly have more than enough time to iron out the base mechanics if they have the talent for it. And the fact that it is mostly based on KH2 (with MP charge ect. instead of just stacking multiple curagas and invisi frame heavy commands) I hope they can balance it much better.

But I swear if they screw this one up I'll just jump on the outsource everything to Platinum bandwagon.
I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole and get a little OT, but I think you can argue that a bulk of BBS' boss battle woes stem from the structure of the combat system. Designing bosses (secret endgame ones especially) around a fully customizable ability load-out must be an absolute nightmare, because the KH games aren't shy about giving the player overpowered tools (HP/MP refill w/ drive forms, Reflect spells, Duck Flare from KH2, Shootlocks, mines, command styles, and other crazy abilities in BBS, for example) if they make the player feel strong and feel fun to use.

However, the break between KH1/2 and BBS/3D/whatever else is that encounters can be designed around a generally constant growth system in 1/2 (player capability only grows, and the core toolkit doesn't change) while two players could have wildly different loadouts in the latter two. While there can be variation from player to player in 1/2 - unlocked drive form abilities, for example - the consideration to be made for the strongest abilities is that either the player has it or they don't, whereas in BBS/3D you have to think about if the player is using X, Y, and Z, or using X instead of Y, or forgoing anything else and using three Xs instead. Further compounded by the crazy variety of abilities and what they can do. It seems they responded to that problem by going "Fuck it! We'll do it live!" and falling on the side of letting the OP skills be.

We'll see how they handle designing around a more consolidated toolkit.
 
Can Kev even beat
Roxas
without Second chance/one more?

I remember that fight being particularly annoying...... 🤧
 
But they're the best fights in the game, hell the entire series.

This. we are talking about some of the best bosses in gaming right here.

Terra and data
Roxas
are so fucking good.

KH1 is the best in the series, the gameplay gets a bit better in sequels but it's pretty much all downhill from there. If you can't get into 1 then best just move on and forget the series.

this is false. The different between low and high level combat is way more significant in 2 than 1. especially in FM version, because it adds even KH1 skills with that additional form I keep forgetting what it's called.

edit: yeah it's limit form.
 
I wish 1.5+2.5 released before 2.8
2.8 has a movie that takes place very far before the prequel game, a game that sits directly between 2 and 3, and what I'm assuming is an opening chapter for 3 that's probably similar to the roxas chapter for 2 (except intense)

That's not a good jumping off point for anyone.

Honestly to fully "get" kingdom hearts on playthrough number 1, I'd highly recommend playing them in chronological order.

Part of the fun of the series has been trying to figure out the mythology as the games release, but we're nine games in and most all of them use kh2's combat system (except 2.8, which has the vastly improved DDD mechanics) there aren't a lot of games that I'd recommend playing out of release order but

KHuX prequel movie
Birth by Sleep
KH1
KHCoM(or watching the cutscenes)
KH358/2 movie
KH2
KHDDD
KH0.2

Is the order that will let you fully comprehend what the fuck is happening in this convoluted series the very first time you play it, and not 90 hours in. Coded literally doesn't matter at all. The gameplay is consistently pretty good and I don't feel like you lose anything by playing in the series' chronological order. You'll lose some "mystery" but gain a complete understanding of the game


Edit: I also played through the whole god of war series before ascension and didn't mind jumping between console versions or release dates for the games, if saying "oh this game is clunkier than the prequel" will bother you than you do you kids
 
Attempted to play through Kingdom Hearts back when the PS3 launched, as I never owned a PS2. Didn't play for more than 30 minutes, got distracted and never went back to it.

Would you all recommend me grabbing the PS4 releases? I haven't done much research, but at what point will I be able to play through all of them to catch up on the series?

Currently playing through my first Final Fantasy game (XV), and enjoying it.
 
Attempted to play through Kingdom Hearts back when the PS3 launched, as I never owned a PS2. Didn't play for more than 30 minutes, got distracted and never went back to it.

Would you all recommend me grabbing the PS4 releases? I haven't done much research, but at what point will I be able to play through all of them to catch up on the series?

Currently playing through my first Final Fantasy game (XV), and enjoying it.

By March 28th, you will be able to enjoy all the KH games before 3 on PS4.
 
By March 28th, you will be able to enjoy all the KH games before 3 on PS4.

Nice. Will probably wait for price drops, because we all know Kingdom Hearts 3 is miles away, but looking forward to diving in. Wife and daughter a Disney fanatics, so these games should be a hit with them.
 
Attempted to play through Kingdom Hearts back when the PS3 launched, as I never owned a PS2. Didn't play for more than 30 minutes, got distracted and never went back to it.

Would you all recommend me grabbing the PS4 releases? I haven't done much research, but at what point will I be able to play through all of them to catch up on the series?

Currently playing through my first Final Fantasy game (XV), and enjoying it.
The PS4 collection comes out in March. It contains 1.5 and 2.5 which contain the following games


KH 1
KH: ReCom
Cutscenes from the DS game 358/2


KH 2
KH Birth By Sleep
Cutscenes from the DS game Coded


In January, KH 2.8 is released which contains Dream Drop Distance which was originally released on 3DS

0.2 is something new. The best way to put it is sort of like how Ground Zeroes was to MGSV.

It also contains a movie as well based on the mobile game.

If you're not interested in the story and don't mind being confused buy 2.8 in January and then the collection in March to catch up but if are interested wait till March and then play 2.8.

Remember to play the games in release order to have the best understanding of the story.
 
Running+Form abilities (the movement abilities)+reflect make it pretty tame. It might take a while to learn the patterns though.

Oh god, that fight...

That one took me a while to beat trying to learn his patterns.

The first part of the fight isn't too bad in terms of what to do, but when he gets below a certain HP threshold, he goes batshit and starts spamming his Ultimate attack and some other stuff.

Felt SO GOOD once I beat him though.

Can Kev even beat
Roxas
without Second chance/one more?

I remember that fight being particularly annoying...... 🤧

It's possible, though it may require a bit of luck.

I remember when I did it, I managed to luck out and kill him quickly.

Otherwise, it can be an annoying fight.

Basically, if you can get the Reaction Command to go off in your favor and nab it early, you can burst him down really quick. Or die quickly.
Most of the fight is mostly just Blocking/Evading his attacks, while trying not to do too many combos on him or he Counters with nasty stuff.
 
KH1 is the best overall package in the series and I shed a tear for all who don't see it.
It's definitely got the best postgame. KH2's Data Organization and Mushroom XIII have their virtues, as does the Mirage Arena, but to me the KH1 Olympus Coliseum is still the best stuff we've seen in the series.
 
It's definitely got the best postgame. KH2's Data Organization and Mushroom XIII have their virtues, as does the Mirage Arena, but to me the KH1 Olympus Coliseum is still the best stuff we've seen in the series.

Is it because of Ice Titan and Sephiroth? I don't remember much of it tbh.
 
I loved KH2FM's postgame. It had so many amazing boss battles and Cavern of Remembrance was really good dungeon. I hope KH3 has more dungeons like that.
 
I guess I'll be the weird guy and say I like KH1's combat. I thought the sequels became too spammy and removes strategy and replaces it with press triangle. It's flashier but less fun imo.

Beating
Sephiroth
[Last optional boss] without getting hit at a low level is so much fun. That said I have not played any of the final mixes. I'm waiting for PS4 versions to play through all of them again.
 
I guess I'll be the weird guy and say I like KH1's combat. I thought the sequels became too spammy and removes strategy and replaces it with press triangle. It's flashier but less fun imo.

Beating
Sephiroth
[Last optional boss] without getting hit at a low level is so much fun. That said I have not played any of the final mixes. I'm waiting for PS4 versions to play through all of them again.

yea play final mix version of KH2. It's really a lot better than the original version and isn't really press triangle to win anymore.
 
KH1 is the best overall package in the series and I shed a tear for all who don't see it.
I really liked KH1 one too.
I'm more into Disney than anime so I loved that the Disney characters got more screen time and that they were more involved in the plot.
I also like that you could use magic to get items/chests or to solve puzzles.
Also if you went to the different Disney world's out of order or if you win/lose in certain battles the cutscenes would slightly change to reflect that.
KH1 also has the most fun Olympus Coliseum with lots of optional bosses and cups without feeling the need to shoehorn in gimmicks like in KH2.
The optional bosses outside of Olympus Coliseum were also pretty fun and had some great designs.
The interaction and development between SDG was also pretty good.
 
I really liked KH1 one too.
I'm more into Disney than anime so I loved that the Disney characters got more screen time and that they were more involved in the plot.
I also like that you could use magic to get items/chests or to solve puzzles.
Also if you went to the different Disney world's out of order or if you win/lose in certain battles the cutscenes would slightly change to reflect that.
KH1 also has the most fun Olympus Coliseum with lots of optional bosses and cups without feeling the need to shoehorn in gimmicks like in KH2.
The optional bosses outside of Olympus Coliseum were also pretty fun and had some great designs.
The interaction and development between SDG was also pretty good.
Fully agree with this. Loved the more interactive environment in the world. With that I mean the gravity magic chests. Opening the door with fire magic, the trinity marks. Which also gave the worlds more exploration purposes.

But because people got lost they dumbed down kh2 and made them just large flat boring spaces without any exploration. (How people got lost in kh1 is beyond me)

And while the camera in kh1 wasn't perfect the gameplay was great. Especially loved the coliseum. The first time fighting cloud and Leon.. damn... and it was very repayable. Up to today I still don't fully understand the coliseum in kh2. The gimmicky coins and stuff. I like the simple brawls of kh1 better.
 
In Tron now. Combat difficulty feels just right. I guess I'm usually 1-2 levels below recommended battle level.
 
When the PS4 remaster collection comes out, there should be a thread for everyone playing through the series for the first time.
Like me.
 
lol Y2Kev our experience has been the same for KH1

It's too boring for me to play.

But KH:BBS is awesome!!! Despite being a PSP game it has a gripping story, well made cutscenes, fab gameplay and the best minigame ever (a board game that I may have played more than the main story)

Worth gettin KH 2.5 just for this game!

I still haven't played any other KH game but KH 1 and BBS.

Will buy 2.5 to play KH2 then will get 2.8.

I can never play KH1 again though *shudders*
 
Just popping into this thread to remind people that anyone suggesting that newcomers should play the series in "chronological order" is your enemy and is not to be trusted.
 
Out of curiosity why do you guys hate KH1 so much? Exploration and immersion in that game was top notch. KH2 may have improved the battle system but the worlds had more meat to me in the first game. This is kinda why I really liked moving around in KH DDD, because they brought back the huge worlds and decently hidden secrets to encourage the use of the new flowmotion mechanic. The only thing KH DDD needed in world design was more background pedestrians/wildlife so the areas didnt feel so empty after finding all the treasures IMO.
 
The battles have no flow and the level designs are too frustrating. Alice in Wonderland, Agrabah, Tarzan...it's like a one two three punch of shit just flowing directly into your mouth early in the game.
 
KH1 has the best level desing of the series. Dat verticality :3

Not that I think it's perfect or anything, there is a lot they could have improved. But they kinda just scrapped everything and had just big empthy areas for all the games after that.
 
Kingdom Hearts is better than the second game in every way outside of the combat. That said, the combat is a pretty big fuckin' deal in these games so that alone is enough to put KH2 above the first game in quality.
 
The tone of the original Kingdom Hearts is what makes it my favourite. I don't even know how to explain it, but stuff like the heavy use of silent, blurred fades during cutscenes etc all felt weirdly experimental and sombre.

The original CoM felt like this too, whereas KH2 on the games are way more cheery / anime. Sora becomes an idiot goofball too, which is fun, but less interesting.
 
When the original KH was released, I loved it to death. Even if it was a bit clunky. Playing the FM version on the PS3 just didn't do it for me. It aged horribly in the gameplay department. I'll probably end up playing it again on the PS4,

I still loved playing KH II, the FM version is also tons of fun.
 
Absolutely wrong. Couldn't have a worse opinion than this tbh. Gameplay is dramaticy better after CoM and the story ramps up. KH1 is vanilla disney friendship kumbaya and everything else is anime tripwire storyline crazy light vs dark shit. Love it or hate it, much better than KH1

Well, I think you're the one with the wrong opinion. Kingdom Hearts 1 is the best in the series. I already said the gameplay gets better in sequels, but KH1 is still the best game overall as a complete package. The sequels have better gameplay but pale in everything else.
 
When the original KH was released, I loved it to death. Even if it was a bit clunky. Playing the FM version on the PS3 just didn't do it for me. It aged horribly in the gameplay department. I'll probably end up playing it again on the PS4,

I still loved playing KH II, the FM version is also tons of fun.

Yea KH1 hasn't aged well at all. I really noticed that when I played 1.5 on PS3.

I am going to buy 1.5+2.5 but I won't be playing KH1 again.
 
Yea KH1 hasn't aged well at all. I really noticed that when I played 1.5 on PS3.

I am going to buy 1.5+2.5 but I won't be playing KH1 again.

I'm interested to see if 60fps will help it. Maybe I just didn't like the Final Mix version of KH. It felt so much more difficult, but not in a challenging way, more of a frustrating way. Then again I was playing at Critical or whatever, not fun at all.

KHII:FM at 60fps will be glorious. Hopefully the lag when changing forms will be fixed, even if it didn't affect me since I never used Forms outside of obtaining their Growth Skill or when needed for specific battles.
 
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