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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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GetDigitized
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That's cuz KH1 doesn't hold up well past the start(which isn't that great imo) and end.
DukeLongfellow
Member
Which is why I usually recommend people play KH2 or BBS first to get a feel of what the series actually is at the moment. KH, as charming as it was for a 2001 game, is quite different in plot and content execution than any of the big games later on.
Starting with KH2 is like watching Empire Strikes Back as your first Star Wars.
It also doesn't help that people perpetuate the series with a stereotype of "lol the story is so convoluted and makes no sense" when the story isn't THAT complicated if you take in one step at a time. It was fairly straightforward until DDD and even then it isn't that bad IMO. I've seen 11 year olds discuss the themes of KH, so in my opinion adults complaining about not understanding it have just decided they don't like it. It's like reading book four of a seven book series going "I don't know what is going on" to everything because it assumes you read them in order.
Do people throw this same hissy fit over Voldemort as they do Xehanort? I'm not big into Harry Potter but he kinda seems to do the Xehanort thing of being really hard to kill off
Do people throw this same hissy fit over Voldemort as they do Xehanort? I'm not big into Harry Potter but he kinda seems to do the Xehanort thing of being really hard to kill off
Mediking
Member
I'm sure we heard it all.... KH is definitely a punching bag. It's funny how people say KH's story doesn't make sense and has annoying characters when in reality.... it's best to just look at the story like a puzzle that centers mostly on Sora.
I try to tell people that KH has some of the best animations during cutscenes and really good music too.
I try to tell people that KH has some of the best animations during cutscenes and really good music too.
Napalm_Frank
Member
You know what Kingdom Hearts needs after KH3? A non-canon game for consoles anyone can jump into without a worry in the world. Also would be a breath of fresh air from the current continuity. Would be nice to see a different take on the series. ''Versus Kingdom Hearts'' if you will. It could include more obscure stuff and characters that wouldn't have a spotlight in the main series like Gargoyles or some more obscure Marvel property.
Maybe even by a different developer to have something in between KH3 and 4. The handheld games have been outsourced before, why not console? Or hell, a different team inside SE if they have one.
In before platinum.
Maybe even by a different developer to have something in between KH3 and 4. The handheld games have been outsourced before, why not console? Or hell, a different team inside SE if they have one.
In before platinum.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Here are a few I made for 2.5 OT you can use if you want. I don't think any frequent poster is using these.
Even doe you called me ''NEO enthusiasts '' or something lol.
Mediking
Member
Here are a few I made for 2.5 OT you can use if you want. I don't think any frequent poster is using these.
Even doe you called me ''NEO enthusiasts '' or something lol.
!!!!! Wow!!! Thanks so much!!! Hahah and I was joking about the "NEO enthusiasts" thing
GetDigitized
Member
This was how I originally played it , KH1 was such a slog after KH2 as a child. The recommend the novel or manga over the game though.
Mediking
Member
Y.....you played KH2 BEFORE KH1.....?!?!?!? No wonder you thought KH1 was a slog!!!!
"Once you finish your cake, you can have some beets."
Seven Force
Banned
As tired as I am of the "Platinum should make ______" sentiments (And I say this as someone who considers Platinium to be their favorite developer), I unironically think they would be perfect for the type of entry you described. It goes without saying that their combat is second to none, at least when their top tier talent is on the job, and Metal Gear Rising in particular showed that they're pretty awesome at taking the piss out what's otherwise a pretty crazy series already. Hell, part of KHII's final boss sequence involved surfing on skyscrapers, cutting them in half and flinging the debris at a giant mechanical dragon to expose it's weak point. Tell me that doesn't already sound like a Platinum game.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Other companies worked on Chain of Memories, Days and Coded. I don't see why not. It's like many people working on the Marvel flicks are not Disney employees ect. It would still be supervised by Square of course.
Besides how protective can you be when you hand over your IP to a man like Nomura? Donald now has a recognizeable adaptation with a hat that has belt and zippers.
GetDigitized
Member
That's what I meant to imply from that post lol.
My dad bought me adn my siblings it thinking we'd already played the first one. I didn't understand the Roxas start, but the rest I got, at least enough for a 10 or 11 year old kid to understand the basics. Sora looking for "Riku"+Mickey, the game didn't do too bad catching you up on what happened in KH1.
KH1 still isn't a great game,Com/KH2 is when KH became great imo. There's like no story & the gameplay is bland, back in 2001 it would've been nice, but introducing people to KH via KH1 now is what's going to turn them off. I mean it's what's supposed to set the mood for what the other games are gonna be like, but it doesn't due to KH doing whatever it wants
.KH is one of my favourite game series, but looking at it unbiasedly , KH is pretty slow & childish. That said , my young cousin enjoyed watching me playthrough it when 1.5 came out.
DukeLongfellow
Member
Well, if I follow this analogy, it's better that than watching A New Hope and being turned away from the rest.
Mediking
Member
That's what I meant to imply from that post lol.
My dad bought me adn my siblings it thinking we'd already played the first one. I didn't understand the Roxas start, but the rest I got, at least enough for a 10 or 11 year old kid to understand the basics. Sora looking for "Riku"+Mickey, the game didn't do too bad catching you up on what happened in KH1.
KH1 still isn't a great game,Com/KH2 is when KH became great imo. There's like no story & the gameplay is bland, back in 2001 it would've been nice, but introducing people to KH via KH1 now is what's going to turn them off. I mean it's what's supposed to set the mood for what the other games are gonna be like, but it doesn't due to KH doing whatever it wants
KH is one of my favourite game series, but looking at it unbiasedly , KH is pretty slow & childish. That said , my young cousin enjoyed watching me playthrough it when 1.5 came out.
You think KH1 is a bad game......
Are we gonna hafta fight among a circle of Heartless to settle this?
KH1 is special and unique
GetDigitized
Member
I agree.That doesn't mean it's not bad,[Insert bad guy from history] was special and unique.Especially if you compare it to other ps2 games, the story/characters are great but most of them are cameos & the themes are pretty childish(It's Disney so you shouldn't go into it expecting anything else) the story only actually becomes good at the end(again my opinion). The reason I'd even say Com is better is because, A) It has a unique, but at times clunky battle system and B) It's not all about visiting worlds, there's death & the characters aren't bland af. With KH2 Sqenix had some more space I think to add onto the worlds, I mean ikn KH1 Sora is mainly doing stuff in the background & the world moves on. Also, the heartless are pretty bland in KH1 until the end world.
Srsly though, unless you're trying to convince me, we don't have to fight =D.
I played KHII first as well, hahaha. My parents must have gotten me the wrong one for Christmas, but I just shrugged and played it anyway. I don't remember being too confused about the plot, actually, and I don't feel it hindered my enjoyment of KH (except for the awful L/R camera control).
Know how I know you don't watch many Disney movies?
GetDigitized
Member
But I do =o, at least I've seen all the kh world ones besides the new tron. I haven't watched anything new in the past 2-3 years but that's due to not having time & other reasons. Having child friendly themes wasn't the issue, it was that it was almost exclusively that with sora ushered in and there was only a sense of urgency/threat until the last world.
The rest of the games have that throughout.
Also watching movies vs playing games are two very different things, I dunno how you can make an assumption like that.
All I can say about the topic is that, since I've been playing KH1 for the platinum right after getting it for KH2, the battle system for 1 feels clunkier in comparison. KH2's is a lot more fast-paced and fun imo. But I think KH1 handled the disney worlds a bit better than 2 (helps that you didn't have to go back to all of the afterwards like you did in 2)
Disney is way darker than Kingdom Hearts. Like, it's not remotely close.
*sigh*
People always trot out this "Disney can't be dark" argument
Clayton was hung from a tree.
The Horned King literally had his face and skin melt off of his body.
Mulan killed thousands of soldier in one fell swoop...
...before blowing up their leader.
Scar was ripped to pieces by hyenas.
Now, you might be thinking, "well none of those are recent"
Mother Gothel aged decades if not centuries in seconds, fell out a window, and shattered on the ground as a pile of dust.
I would like to point out that Kingdom Hearts softened the deaths of Scar, Clayton, and Shan Yu. You can argue Frollo was the same. And there's plenty more, like Ursula, The Evil Queen, Gaston, Syndrome, Doctor Facilier, but I think you get the point.
Disney movies are only aesthetically "childish," and tend to have very mature themes and plot lines. Now these aren't Quentin Tarrintino flicks, but It makes sense if you know the source material for most Disney films.
If Kingdom Hearts comes off as really childish, it's because of Square Enix. Luckily we have some mature, thought provoking games in the series (days) to balance out the Barney and friends stuff like in DDD/BBS
Side note: Disney released the majority of the films Tarantino has made under the Miramax label.
Eh, details. Who needs em
Mediking
Member
Hahaha you're fine, you're fine.
I'm trying to imagine if I played KH2 before KH1 and how I would feel.... lol
It's pretty obvious when they have to censor the source material lol.
RellyRell28
Banned
It's funny I saw this post because when KH first came out I never did anything for me I saw someone play it one time and just wasn't into it. Then my little brother who played the first one I watche play KH2 and I got hooked into that game and been hooked into the series ever since. I even went back and played one. KH2 is as a matter of fact the game I beat the most.
I have no problems with MP cure and that system for the main console games
I'm not too worried about it. This is the Osaka team that did both Birth By Sleep and Dream Drop Distance and is their first attempt at a numbered title in the series on a console.
Besides that i'm already noticing some elements of Birth By Sleep in 3, like attractionflow mostly requiring you to aim at enough targets similar to shotlock. I think we'll see more handheld title influence put into 3, while still aiming for more of a feel of a mainline Kingdom Hearts in terms of gameplay.
With that said though there's always a possible Final Mix if everything goes downhill. It worked wonders for 2 so I wouldn't say no to one for fixing up 3.
Kingdom Warriors/Musou, Theatrythm Kingdom Hearts or Dissidia Kingdom Hearts. (or some form of Kingdom Hearts fighting game) I'd be happy with any of these spin-offs personally.
Non-canon? Check.
Anyone can jump in? Check.
Breaks from normal continuity? Check.
A different take on the series? Double Check.
Makes you appreciate the daily small things we do with our friends/loved ones, since you never know how long you will have with them.
Yeah but that's 90% of the cutscenes. From a KH fan perspective it's fine because I know how much it means to Roxas but I can see someone having this be their first exposure to Kingdom Hearts and being like "Why the fuck are they eating ice cream in every single scene?"
Days is in such a where place in the timeline that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone as their first exposure to KH.
Mediking
Member
Non-canon? Check.
Anyone can jump in? Check.
Breaks from normal continuity? Check.
A different take on the series? Double Check.
Needs to be developed by Nintendo in some form too.
shit's depressing
i legit cried at the end
Mediking
Member
Did anybody else cry at the end of Dream Drop Distance?
yeah but for different reasons lol
Mediking
Member
Hahahha that's what I meant. Story took a drastic turn towards the end, didn't it?
Napalm_Frank
Member
I used to get a bit emotional at the end of KH1, not ashamed to admit it!
Vector to the Heavens is my favorite musical score in the game
By the way, you guys know about the Kingdom Hearts orchestra world tour coming up, right? They're playing in LA at some point and I'd love to go.