Patriotsbball5460
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I am no doubt more sympathetic towards animals than people. These kids deserve to get reprimanded, no excuse for animal cruelty in my mind.
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Kitten tortured by youngsters
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Kinitari said:Looks like they're doing the hugging.
Cause... cause your face is covered in them.
This one is mine, I recently trimmed a lot of his hair off cause of the ridiculous heat - he doesn't look fat anymore.
She's still this tiny.
dark_chris
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Kitten tortured? Yeah, lets torture the kids and see if they like it
CornBurrito
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Orayn said:
May I ask why?
Despera said:
Damn... that is all kinds of fucked up. So, did your parents ever find out and chastise you?
mysticwhip
Banned
Any pics?
Because I like birds a lot more than I like cats? I just try to keep things in perspective and consider the number of humans harmed by the what the kids actually did when I think of what should happen to them. It's definitely cause for concern, but kids can be messed up and impulsive when it comes to stuff like this.Obsessed said:
A friend of mine had an injured goose land in his yard when we were both 12 or 13 years old, and being a hunter, he gleefully put the thing out of its misery by beating it to death with a shovel. It disturbed me to see him do that, and I was pretty mad, but he's no sociopath. Bit of a jerk, sure, but not a murderer.
CornBurrito
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Orayn said:
Ah, ok. I just didn't know what you were basing it off of.
Oh a goose. Yeah, goose and ducks I can agree with. I personally love ducks. I was thinking you were talking about pigeons and those kinds of birds. I mean, torturing a pigeon isn't right either but as far as emotional responses go I'm inclined to rage harder at someone torturing a kitten than I am someone torturing a pigeon.
My point was that it's a disturbing thing to do, but the victims are ultimately non-human. Yes, I am a blatant speciesist. (A Humanist to be precise.)Obsessed said:
Therapy, counseling, and close supervision for what might be sociopathic behavior: Good. Punishing the kids as though they did this to a person: Bad.
I've loved parrots of all kinds since I was a little kid, but it kind of grew to include songbirds and such when I realized that a lot of them were almost as intelligent. Hell, the crows near my house probably display more humanlike reasoning than my family's pet cockatiel.Obsessed said:
I told my parents that I forgot to bring the rabbits back inside after I took them out, and that the heat definitely got to them eventually and killed them. They yelled a little and told me to bury the rabbits myself. What they didn't know is that I already threw the corpses in a dumpster.Obsessed said:
Boys will be boys
Everybody outgrows torturing innocent beings, we all know that
THey grow up to become productive, well adjusted, balanced individuals of society and contribute to overall betterment of the world
Get out all that sadistic urges early on so you can move onto other things when you get older
Everybody outgrows torturing innocent beings, we all know that
THey grow up to become productive, well adjusted, balanced individuals of society and contribute to overall betterment of the world
Get out all that sadistic urges early on so you can move onto other things when you get older
While instant incarceration as an adult would be too much, this kind of behavior definitely requires counseling. Although, it might be something the kid would get through easily if they were a true sociopath.
Although even if you didn't end up as a serial killer as an adult, if you tortured animals as a kid that makes you a shitty kid, deserving of shame
Although even if you didn't end up as a serial killer as an adult, if you tortured animals as a kid that makes you a shitty kid, deserving of shame
frankie_wilde
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What the hell kind of people are these 
you have to be heartless
you have to be heartless
GraveRobberX
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Medalion said:
rainking187
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Orayn said:
As far as I'm concerned so are the culprits.
water_wendi
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Poor kitty.
les papillons sexuels
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sfedai0 said:
I thought there were studies into this and that there was in fact a moral gene.
There may be some genetic factors in how empathetic we are, but that's not the only place empathy comes from, and it's certainly not a singular "moral gene." If I may upturn my nose at both tabula rasa and Lord of the Flies, I would say that morality has its basis in human nature, but it's also something we reinforce and enhance through our capacity for reason. Conversely, we can also foul up our inborn tendency toward empathy by training people not to exercise it in certain situations or toward certain people. It's interesting, and kind of spooky...les papillons sexuels said:
Regardless, it would be an unreasonable leap to assume that these kids are just bad to the bone and can't be helped. Again, we're in a huff because they did this to an animal that society anthropomorphizes, but would we be having the same thread if this were about a squirrel or a frog? Kids torturing one of those is really no less disturbing when you think about it, but I don't believe people would be calling for the kids to be locked up for life or killed in that scenario.
evil solrac v3.0
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goomba said:
Although cats themselves like to torture prey for fun too.. just saying.
it's not torture. a lot cats aren't raised to learn to hunt so they don't know how to apply the killing blow.
kswiston said:
It's true to some extent. Babies/toddlers will bite, scratch, and fight each other until they've been taught otherwise. But disfiguring a cat, stabbing it with a needle, and forcing it to eat oil and screws? To purposely do something so gruesome and violent is pretty fucked up. That's not normal.
Exclamation-One
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A few years back, a small kitten chewed/clawed at the wire from my computer while I was typing a paper and I lost power. I flew into a rage, picked it up and yelled in it's face.
I've felt guilty about it ever since.
I can't imagine the type of human being these kids are, or will become.
I've felt guilty about it ever since.
I can't imagine the type of human being these kids are, or will become.
ComputerMKII
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I'm not 100% sure but this may be the refuge where Gloria is being taken care of: http://pruneau.free.fr/pages/page_chats.htm
Edit: This is the association mentioned in the article: http://chatssanstoidelomois.e-monsite.com/accueil.html (Warning: contains another post-surgery picture of Gloria, and a couple graphic pictures of another abused cat)
Edit 2: 4chan is already aware of what happened.
Edit 3: Comments on the original article are now closed due to shitstorm.
Edit: This is the association mentioned in the article: http://chatssanstoidelomois.e-monsite.com/accueil.html (Warning: contains another post-surgery picture of Gloria, and a couple graphic pictures of another abused cat)
Edit 2: 4chan is already aware of what happened.
Edit 3: Comments on the original article are now closed due to shitstorm.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Despera said:
This is still incredibly sick, man.
I'm outta here.
SolidusDave
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For me, this equals to someone kicking a human baby around.
Three reasons this makes me rage even more than if it was e.g. an adult human (well, kinda hard to play football with him):
It cannot defend itself + it cannot understand what the fuck is going on + it did not do anything wrong/to provoke such actions (and even if, it could not understand it).
While on the other hand you have people clearly understanding what they are doing and they don't do it for food/protection/research/revenge etc. but for fun, fun to induce pain&death. This is evil = something is wired wrong in your brain, you should get labeled dangerous for society due to a neurological disease.
I would do terribly things to them if I saw something like this. Well, not too terrible because the law would label me the aggressor.
Three reasons this makes me rage even more than if it was e.g. an adult human (well, kinda hard to play football with him):
It cannot defend itself + it cannot understand what the fuck is going on + it did not do anything wrong/to provoke such actions (and even if, it could not understand it).
While on the other hand you have people clearly understanding what they are doing and they don't do it for food/protection/research/revenge etc. but for fun, fun to induce pain&death. This is evil = something is wired wrong in your brain, you should get labeled dangerous for society due to a neurological disease.
I would do terribly things to them if I saw something like this. Well, not too terrible because the law would label me the aggressor.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Here's an update:
http://www.lunion.presse.fr/article/aisne/gloria-reprend-du-poil-de-la-beteGloria is getting better!
The fate of Gloria, the kitten tormented at Vaucrises, moved and shocked many of our readers, who asked for news. We saw her yesterday morning.
How is Gloria doing now? The cat was tormented at Vaucrises and taken care of by the association 'Chats sans toi' a week ago. Lots of readers, moved and shocked by her ordeal (see our article from the 11th of August) asked us for news. Well, after seeing her again yesterday in the morning, I can tell you she's in a much better state than eight days ago. 'She's getting curves and now weighs 1.550 kgs/3.4 lbs. She still eats in small quantities, starts eating cat food, but gets tired quickly.' Nathalie -her 'nanny'- says, while flooding her with hugs. The vet took off the thread from the right side of her face on tuesday. 'It's healing up well', he said. On the other hand, the practicioner detected a problem in the other eye. Its pupil won't dilate, which prevents her from seeing at night. 'We've been advised to see an ophtalmologist to figure out what's wrong' Nathalie said. She has also spotted two scabs on her left side. The vet shaved off the hair right there and two old holes have appeared. Had the flesh been pierced with the nails found in her stomach? No way to be sure. But the holes are suspiscious.
Complaint filed
Meanwhile, the association has filed a complaint at the police station for ill-treatment. 'We have been received very well, I think the situation is going to evolve fast' Marguette Ledeuil (president of the association) said. As for the police, they've taken the matters seriously, even though no one has been taken in for questioning yet. 'I've put someone in charge of the investigation, a woman who's devoted to the animal cause. If she finds the slightest thing, I can tell you she will exploit it and make it so the people who did it will be held accountable.' Commanding officer Louis Vitone said.
The president of 'Chats sans toi' saw several names being mentioned on Facebook. She informed the agent in charge of the investigation about that. The appeal to witnesses is still valid, of course. The town council was 'flooded with phone calls' and is outraged by the acts: 'The perpetrators deserve to be severly punished', the mayor, Jacques Krabal, said. He also claimed to 'support' the associations which help animals (the town council gives €1,150 ($1,645/£998) of subsidies to the animal cause each year) and mentions that 'it was an isolated act, nevertheless.'
However, he asked agents in charge of surveillance of the public highway, who patrol in the whole town, to gather information on this sordid affair.
Let's hope now that the mobilization will produce results.
Seraphinianus
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you people are nuts. just because you torture an animal once, doesn't mean you're going to grow up to be John Wayne Gacy.
Mammoth Jones
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As human beings, who claim to be intellectually superior to other animals on the planet...I think it's incumbent upon us to preserve, respect and attempt to care for other creatures.
Reading that there are so called sentient beings that would willingly subject another living, breathing, feeling creature to such torment...breaks my heart.
It's not like accidentally stepping on a grub or something. This is intentional torture.
Torturing animals is indicative of some very disturbing mental thought processes that should be looked at by a professional.
Reading that there are so called sentient beings that would willingly subject another living, breathing, feeling creature to such torment...breaks my heart.
It's not like accidentally stepping on a grub or something. This is intentional torture.
Torturing animals is indicative of some very disturbing mental thought processes that should be looked at by a professional.
Seraphinianus
Banned
So, anyone here ever burn ants with a magnifying glass while growing up? Ever purposely step on a bug? Ever smash a spider? YOU FUCKING PSYCHOPATH YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP!!
of course, I'm just kidding. it's not the same thing.
of course, I'm just kidding. it's not the same thing.
Cats are cute, insects are not, am i right?
There's a big difference between killing something like an ant and killing something like a cat that has nothing to do with "cuteness." Have you ever had a pet the size of a cat that's died? The body has a real weight that you can feel. You can sense that it was something that was once alive and now is not. There's an emotional disconnect between burning an ant with a magnifying glass that doesn't exist with a large animal.Smision said:
It's not fair, sure, but it's the way the brain works. We cling to things that we can relate to and personify.
dinazimmerman
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I once fed a parakeet a small hot pepper out of mischief/curiosity. It started "coughing." I felt so bad afterwards.
They are kids. Although the act is deplorable, a certain amount of leeway has to be given because of their age.
That being said, with cases like this these kids do have to be watched very closely.
Not everyone who tortures animals grows up to be a sociopath, but the potential is certainly there.
I'm of the stance however that these kids should never be allowed to have pets.
That being said, with cases like this these kids do have to be watched very closely.
Not everyone who tortures animals grows up to be a sociopath, but the potential is certainly there.
I'm of the stance however that these kids should never be allowed to have pets.
CornBurrito
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Smision said:
Actually it is different. Cats can physically display pain, insects can not. To be able to torture something defenseless would suggest that something is off with your ability to feel empathy. I'd also imagine that it is easier to empathize with something that has a recognizable face. Though that bit is pure speculation on my part.
Also the fact that it is a cat does make it a bigger deal. Our society tends to anthropomorphize certain animals. Cats happen to be one of those animals. Unless these kids live under a rock they should be able to tell the difference in value society places on a cat vs an ant. Is this difference in value fair? Perhaps not, but it exists. If these children aren't able to pick up on this unwritten rule of society that would suggest that something may be wrong with them. If these children are aware of this unwritten rule and choose to ignore it may be that something is wrong with them.
Either way, these children should be watched closely. Animal cruelty at young ages is a red flag.
Smision said:
Cats have personalities. Killing a mosquito is actually doing a service, they carry disease and offer nothing of substance. Killing and torturing a cat and stepping on an insect are not the same thing. Especially when you consider the intent in the act that took place. Why am I killing a cockroach? Because it's in a house. Why are they torturing a cat? Because they're fucking bored and sadistic.
ComputerMKII
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Isn't there a difference in the size of the brain, too? I heard that an animal needed to have a big enough brain to be sentient or sensitive to pain, which may or may not be the case for ants (correct me if I'm wrong)?Stet said:
Steve Youngblood
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I understand the implication, but I nevertheless often times find myself scratching my head as to whether or not people present these kinds of comparisons thinking that they have really presented a conundrum, as I personally believe there's little merit to your suggestion of hypocrisy. I believe that there's room in the discourse for suggestions that we draw our arbitrary line in the sand at an incorrect location. For instance, some question why we place cats and dogs in such high esteem, but show little regard for pigs, for instance. And I think that's valid. I don't necessarily agree with the suggestion, but it's food for thought nevertheless.Smision said:
However, comparisons to insects? It's a suggestion that, to me, is so devoid of insight that I wonder whether you've really applied any critical thought to the issue at all. Not that I'm endorsing killing spiders, but if you can't see the difference in the act of killing a cat vs. stomping on a spider, then I don't really understand how to proceed in this conversation.
Kids can grow to be sadistic if not taught morality and such. I remember kids torturing all kinds of animals when I was a kid too. I guess it's something about the human curiosity.
I too went "hunting" with my air-rifle and shot a lot of birds just for the fun of it. I always regretted it after I actually hit something though. The first kill made me just run home and cry for the whole day...
I too went "hunting" with my air-rifle and shot a lot of birds just for the fun of it. I always regretted it after I actually hit something though. The first kill made me just run home and cry for the whole day...
Seraphinianus
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Computer said:
keep justifying, Mr. Future Jeffrey Dahmer.
ComputerMKII
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...what? I never questioned the fact that cats do not feel pain, I just wondered whether or not ants do.Smision said:
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