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Koizumi / Hayashida interview: No Mario 3D World DLC, will reveal next project soon
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PlanetSmasher
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Some people like their levels to be actual worlds instead of loosely-defined collections of platforms floating in an endless void. Crazy, I know!
Woops, sorry to tell you bud but suppaspicasm did in fact write "proper" not "real"
But ya, 3D World is "proper" 3D Mario anywhos
Eh, proper still diminishes the fact that this is a 3D mario game. I mean, what does 'proper mean' exactly in this sentence.
But yeh, although it lacks some of the originality of previous games, it still is a 3D mario game.
I hope it's a Waluigi platformer. it's time to shine my man.
Keep digging!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
But SMG2 was SO GOOD, tho
Haha. At this point, there's no evidence that this is more true for 3D World than it was for Galaxy. I know this is a bit beside the point, but the bulk of Galaxy was literally collections of platforms floating in an endless void, tightly focused and utterly disconnected from an actual "sense of place," if you will. (Of course, I'm guessing the Mushroom Kingdom exists in an endless void somewhere, too.)
Shouldn't they at least make an appearance at TGS or are they going the same route as they did with E3?
PlanetSmasher
Banned
At least in Galaxy's case, the planets were the point. You weren't just jumping around on giant flat ? blocks. I don't think we're ever going to come to a consensus here, so I think I'll just let the argument drop. No point in fighting over a clear difference in philosophy.
StreetsAhead
Member
Star Fox would surely come under EAD No. 5 with Takaya Imamura's supervision?
They could be working on more stuff for the little AR Photo app they made for all we know, though.
I'm working on my job for you, I got distracted by E3/sickness. I will be done by tongiht. My apologies
KillerTravis
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You just described Mario Galaxy. And THAT'S a proper 3D mario.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Takaya Imamura is this real important guy who created the Star Fox and F-Zero universe. I'm curious to see as what he is going to do after directing Steel Diver. I just don't see Kyoto having resources left for F-Zero HD or Star Fox HD right now. I would love to be wrong though. Right now Nintendo has been heavy on Mario related IPs. Very heavy!
StreetsAhead
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I imagine they'd outsource it, no? He did coordinate/supervise Q-Games on the SF64 remake. He has been quiet for 2 years or so, though, but then EAD5 has been dealing with Wii Fit U for goodness knows how long. I have a slightly terrible feeling whatever he's working on would be for 3DS, though. Or a Wii U eshop version of Steel Diver. Vitei has been quiet for a while.
Nintendo's track record at the TGS is rather thin.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
The point I'm trying to make is that I remember Gusty Garden Galaxy, Good Egg Galaxy or Dreadnaught Galaxy a hell of a lot better than I remember anything from SM3DL. SM3DL has no distinct identity, as far as I'm concerned. It's just blobs of Mario tropes thrown into a blender and stuffed into a cartridge. It's the epitome of "safe" game design - completely innocuous and completely free of any risk-taking.
And yes, 3D World might end up being different than that, but the trailer they showed at E3 gave me absolutely no reason to believe that is indeed the case. It literally looks like they took the level editor they used to make the stages for SM3DL and just ported it to Wii U.
So yeah, for people who loved 3D Land, I guess that's great. Clearly, a lot of people were expecting a little bit more effort and innovation out of the first 3D Mario on Nintendo's first HD console though.
fuzzy.dunlop
Banned
So you're just saying that you want Nintendo to cater to you and others like you who aren't necessarily fans of other Mario styles?
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Did I say that? I would rather everyone get appealed to instead of Nintendo just cheaping out and making this their only HD Mario game. You guys can have this one. But those of us who like a bit more substance to our world design deserve a Mario game too.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Yeah well they also outsourced Ocarina of Time 3D and now both Zelda titles are in-house. Vitei is way too small for anything outside of e-shop! Maybe Imamura can do F-Zero on 3DS in-house. It would be good timing and smaller on development resources. That is a possibility!
fuzzy.dunlop
Banned
fuzzy.dunlop
Banned
He's already in the game. And can jump higher than mario. And peach can float. I don't see the point.
Thats... completely irrelevant to what I said/meant. I just mean an expansion pack rather than per-level dlc would be great.
StreetsAhead
Member
Three Zelda titles, if you believe what Miyamoto says about development progressing quickly. Before we had confirmation I thought that Tokyo EAD 1 might be involved in Wind Waker HD after their involvement with Ocarina 3D, but it seems to not be the case.
Yeah, Vitei is like 12 people right? Maybe Steel Diver 2 or something else on the eshop, certainly nothing retail.
As for Imamura, I'd like to imagine he's working on Star Fox or F-Zero. He's worked on every game in both series in some capacity as far as I can tell.
We don't know how big Tokyo EAd is now, do we? Or how much they've expanded?
Who's working on Flipnote Studio for the 3DS?
BishopLamont
Banned
SM3DW is a mix of both worlds, you can't get anymore "proper" than that, but their next game will be in the vein of SMG, I'm not sure when it'll be released but its gonna be epic as hell.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
A lot of people seemed to like to FLUDDless levels in Sunshine much more than the normal game. And those levels are literally what you just described.
chertipros
Member
You just described every 3D Mario except for the first two
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Amen! No more tired, direct sequels for the love of god.
And even then, the most loved parts of Sunshine and a not insignificant amount of 64's levels were also, as he said, "platforms in a void". Mario isn't for you I you can't handle that.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But Mario 64 was like that too.
The only mario that wasn't like that was Sunshine. 64 has that "floating in voids" in most stages save for a few.
Freezie KO
Banned
Oh no... I'm not going to get hyped again. The trend of unique, console-defining 3D Marios has already been broken.
Now I'll just look forward to the next Mario game like I look forward to the next Kirby game. It'll be fun, but no longer a once-in-a-generation experience.
Now I'll just look forward to the next Mario game like I look forward to the next Kirby game. It'll be fun, but no longer a once-in-a-generation experience.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Please let it be a 3D Mario game like Galaxy 1&2, Sunshine, and 64.
StreetsAhead
Member
HD Mario Galaxy 1&2 with Soundtrack included.
abstract alien
Member
Would they really announce another Mario so soon for the same console their current Mario is releasing on? And so soon? I mean, this one isn't even going to hit until December. Wouldn't they be stepping on their own toes?
Those games have few elements in common, honestly, and 3D world could easily be grouped with them.
M64 and Sunshine were free roaming with a lot of exploration. Both Galaxy were way more streamlined. And World is easily similar to those in terms of gameplay. Also if the presentation is different (what GAF teached me: Bees are more loved than Cats)
Romars202129
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They gave Koizumi back zelda! Or at least they're letting him supervise the writing and whisper into Aunoma's ear "don't completely lame it out on the side missions and world design for once' and 'stop recycling the plot to Link to the Past, you putz'.
Yeah.... no that's not happening.
Yeah.... no that's not happening.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Ok:
1. I'm not bashing 3D World, I'm as hyped for it just as much as anyone else.
2. Mario 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxies shared: Stars (Shines are basically the same), a hub world, At least some story bar 64, and a theme for each game except SMG2.
3. 3D Land: lacks a hub world, replaces stars with flagpoles, has a timer, has certain levels that were basically 2D, doesn't have a theme, didn't have much of a story at all, and has a formula that worked for the 3DS that I don't want as a substitute to the console Marios.
4. 3D World has: a timer, flagpoles instead of stars, appears to borrow the same design style as 3D Land, offers the same clunky NSMB multiplayer but in 3D, brings peach back (which I like), and a cat powerup which is awesome.
Really, I don't understand why people get so gung-ho and offended when others say 3D World is disappointing, even it's name is disappointing and confusing:
NES: Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 2 (NA/JP), Super Mario Bros. 3
Gameboy: Super Mario Land
SNES: Super Mario World
N64: Super Mario 64
Gamecube: Super Mario Sunchine
Wii: Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2
3DS: Super Mario 3D Land
Wii U: Super Mario 3D World
I'm not saying 3D World will be a bad game, it's a Mario game it'll be fun by default, but I wanted something that had the same elements as the other 3D Mario games. It's entirely possible I'm jumping the gun, as I've yet to play 3D World, however I wanted something that would look epic upon my first glimpse of it, instead I got a game that "looks like a Mario game."
Holy Order Sol
Member
This is just as stupid as that "Proper Iori" crap.
Thankfully this never happened. Even OoT that bears similarities to ALttP's plot is different. There's more to the plot than what you collect at the end of a dungeon,
Do you know how many people work at EAD Tokyo? Are the individual development groups big enough to develop two full-blown projects at the same time? I'm kinda doubtful that Group No. 2 is really able to make another retail game alongside 3D World, especially when they've also been doing Flipnote in the meantime (though, considering how long that one took, I wonder if that's one more or less a hobby project they worked on by the side...).
StreetsAhead
Member
I hope it's a new Mario game for the 3ds. Of course that is terribly unlikely seeing as how the 3ds already has 3D Land and NSMB2 but I would love to see a return to a 2d sprite based mario game. That would be amazing.
Now that the 3ds already has 2 mainline Mario games why not experiment a little Nintendo?
Now that the 3ds already has 2 mainline Mario games why not experiment a little Nintendo?