AHA-Lambda
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This, if reviewers do their job right, then come goty time this will be taken into account.
I doubt it.
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Konami new patch for MGSV heavily pushes players toward microtransactions
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This, if reviewers do their job right, then come goty time this will be taken into account.
I doubt it.
I ran through the story on my second fresh playthrough with zero grinding and had no problem finishing the main story missions (and getting S ranks left and right).
The game is very much balanced around being able to do well with minimal tools.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Thank god for cheat engine on the PC.
Please stop spreading lies. I fultoned containers earlier this day and just now fultoned them again and got equal amount of resources. Only thing I see this happening is the Hellbound mission if you keep restarting the mission.
Kev Kev
Member
You have got to be fucking kidding me. The amount of grinding it takes to fully upgrade MB and your FOB was already ridiculous, and now this?
This pisses me off to the the point where I do not want to 100% MGSV anymore. Great job Konami.
EDIT: is this statement true or not? Just read the above posts and I am now confused and seriously considering whether or not I will keep playing this game.
Haunted
Member
If the thing about the decrease in container value is true, it will generally slow down progression in the singleplayer. You won't be able to expand your base or research new weapons and upgrades as quickly as players who 1) played it at release when the economy was slightly more generous (but already pretty grindy) or 2) paid some additional bucks and heavily invest in the online portion.
I was already quite frustrated playing the game during the first couple weeks with the way the endgame economy was quite clearly balanced towards the paid FOB stuff, I imagine these frustrations would be amplified with these moves.
All that said, this doesn't make the singleplayer campaign unplayable or not completable by any means, but there it is.
Badmotorfinger
Member
Wow, that just sucks. Thanks for the info.
I'm just like you, so that killed the mood for me. I'll skip for now
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I don't think I've made it up to FOB's in my game yet. This sounds awful. Actually every single thing about FOB's sound terrible. I'm not an online gamer and forcing this online gaming into my experience is depressing. I don't want anything to do with this. I just want to play my game in my own isolated bubble.
This is a real shame the gameplay in MGS is very good but the FOB stuff is really killing any interest I have in continuing. The last thing I want to happen is build up my base only to have it decimated by other players when I'm not even playing it.
This is a real shame the gameplay in MGS is very good but the FOB stuff is really killing any interest I have in continuing. The last thing I want to happen is build up my base only to have it decimated by other players when I'm not even playing it.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I'm going to wait a little bit longer before getting upset over the reduction in crate resources, because I predict they will replenish like mission GMP, but it's still a pointless change that doesn't make much sense to me. Can you even buy the resources, or is that Konami's next addition?
MiamiWesker
Member
This shit again, do people not understand FOBs at all or something. Max your defense, YOU WILL NOT LOSE MUCH OF ANYTHING and most likely gain stuff from all the successful defenses.
Plus the OP is contradictory, he says these new upgrades make defending FOB even easier than it already is and now invaders can't use reflex as much as before, so now invading is already harder without any need for Microtransactions. Guns on a camera, I have played FOB for many many hours and maybe have been caught by a camera twice. Who cares about guns on a camera.
Stop freaking out, everything that is Microtransactions based is wasteful crap to trick uneducated players. The intention is disgusting, trash Konami all you want because they deserve it. But this does not ruin MGSV. Play it smart, don't ignore FOB! Use FOB to your advantage and everything will be fine.
EDIT: ok I see now that the container single player stuff is terrible. That is a problem for new players who don't want to invade others.
Plus the OP is contradictory, he says these new upgrades make defending FOB even easier than it already is and now invaders can't use reflex as much as before, so now invading is already harder without any need for Microtransactions. Guns on a camera, I have played FOB for many many hours and maybe have been caught by a camera twice. Who cares about guns on a camera.
Stop freaking out, everything that is Microtransactions based is wasteful crap to trick uneducated players. The intention is disgusting, trash Konami all you want because they deserve it. But this does not ruin MGSV. Play it smart, don't ignore FOB! Use FOB to your advantage and everything will be fine.
EDIT: ok I see now that the container single player stuff is terrible. That is a problem for new players who don't want to invade others.
Yep, it's absurd to punish people that supported your damn game. I would really like to see how the PR guys spin this into a positive for the players. Because right now it's pretty much a big fu for anyone that plays it.
I'll be happy when konami exits the gaming space. Everyone got quietly fucked
NoblesseOblige
Banned
How can I reasonably unlock the new weapons without buying MB? That's my issue. And no, wait the 3 months or whatever it'll take to get random daily free rewards isn't an acceptable answer.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Interesting. I want to see for myself if this thing ever downloads but it wouldn't surprise me if this was false.
Not the first time people have made up stuff.
Thanks for checking, hopefully this clears things for those who were worried about this.
Absoludacrous
Member
So glad I traded this into Target this weekend when they were offering $45 for it. I'm pretty content never playing this game ever again.
Spring-Loaded
Member
They're drastically lowering amounts of resources you get from crates (when farming in a mission) which is the biggest source, iirc. If you wanted to develop some higher level stuff, then you'll feel the effects even when avoiding microtransactions and staying in single player, especially if you haven't started the game yet.
It's a grind no matter what though, so I guess it's a wash.
Yeah fultoned containers right after I got Quiet back and just now fultoned them again and got equal amounts.
InsaneTiger
Member
You can avoid the whole FOB thing right?
MiamiWesker
Member
Oh I have no clue about the new weapons. I maxed most stuff out a month ago and stopped played except for the occasional MGO and FOB events. Are these new weapons that great? I have all the weapons in the original campaign, the game was a blast with them.
See my edit. I had not read that part.
I tried fultoning mission 12 container and it gave me 75 fuel, didn't try other containers. I edited the first post for clarification anyway.
I'm suddenly much less concerned.
ThatsMytrunks
Member
"Really nice base you have here. It would be an awful shame if someone were to come and steal all of your nice things."
hydrophilic attack
Member
That's good to hear. I wasn't planning on doing the Hellbound exploit, just going to get the fuel I need naturally by fultoning containers whenever I come across them. Guess I can go back to loving the game then.
Pilgrimzero
Member
All you have to do is build the first one and never touch it again.
People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I just beat the game last weekend and had it since launch. I was never invaded. Yes you MIGHT get invaded but it's a minor thing unless someone picks on you I guess...?
In fact, I had so much extra crap I pretty much stopped looking for it. The only time I messed with the FOB was to add more soldier slots because it was cheaper to do so than expanding the main base.
And surprise you don't need rank 8 weapons or whatever most of my gear was rank 3-4 by the time I beat it. most of my upgrades took 30 minutes.
And yes im not a completionist. Im there for the story and the game play. I beat the game and now Im done. Let them ransack my FOB cause who cares now? (until they release DLC maybe?)
If anything needs to be complained about it the garbage second chapter.
People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I just beat the game last weekend and had it since launch. I was never invaded. Yes you MIGHT get invaded but it's a minor thing unless someone picks on you I guess...?
In fact, I had so much extra crap I pretty much stopped looking for it. The only time I messed with the FOB was to add more soldier slots because it was cheaper to do so than expanding the main base.
And surprise you don't need rank 8 weapons or whatever most of my gear was rank 3-4 by the time I beat it. most of my upgrades took 30 minutes.
And yes im not a completionist. Im there for the story and the game play. I beat the game and now Im done. Let them ransack my FOB cause who cares now? (until they release DLC maybe?)
If anything needs to be complained about it the garbage second chapter.
MiamiWesker
Member
Here we go again. So now that might not be true. I kept reading about people mysteriously losing money for not playing a while back, I never lost money. Honestly who knows what is going on with this stuff.
I played the majority of the game before these patches hit, never once had an issue with progression and unlocking new items. I think if you play the game normally even with these changes you can still greatly enjoy the game and not feel like things are locked away. Despite Konami being assholes and trying their best to ruin things MGSV is still a masterpiece that should be played.
If you plan to avoid Fob, good luck on aquiring fuel, it's the worse thing to grind. And you need to grind it.
That's all nice but it's not about the invasions this time, it's about how you're now getting less resources in single player so you're motivated to play more multiplayer.
KainXVIII
Member
This, overreacting in this thread is very baffling.
Punished_Snake
Member
So many dumb comments. But yeah I noticed that too, my motherbase teams lvl range from 72 - 75 and the new toys require lvls in the 80s to develop, stupid move konami.
Pilgrimzero
Member
No you aren't. There are resources EVERYWHERE. By the time it might become an issue you should be about done with the game.
I was upgrading stuff just because I could.
It's not a barren wasteland there are supplies everywhere. Do a side op or 3 and steal everything not nailed down.
Send out combat Ops to bring back supplies and cash.
Its not a big deal.
Read above, it's not true.
They just fixed the exploit people were using on Mission 12 it seems.
FranXico
Member
Decline the terms of service at startup. Always.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I will build an FOB and focus on tightening security first so I don't lose much/anything. Then focus on upgrading base development in FOB. That should get me plenty of fuel I'd think. From what I've heard, if you bolster security and don't invade other people your stuff will be fine. I have also focused heavily on base development platform in mother base. I am up to mission 17 and already have base development and command centre at max expansion. I think I will be ok this way.
I'm also doing a lot of combat deployment missions, which give me a lot of resources over time.
poppos2097
Member
Is it still possible to farm the mission 30/Skull Face containers at full value? Can't try until I get home.
The point of the thread is Konami basically introduced another layer of microtransations tied to Fob. If until now all players were on the same level, now people need to pay in order to access better equipment to protect their Fobs, making them almost impossibile to invade. It's like the insurance, only much subtle.
