FalsettoVibe
Member
Question...when I am not online a lot of my money doesn't show up. What's up with that?
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Konami new patch for MGSV heavily pushes players toward microtransactions
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NoblesseOblige
Banned
I believe an update or two again relocates your offline resources to your FOB every time you connect online. So when you disconnect, it loses access to it.
Resources in this case include GMP.
FranXico
Member
Whenever you go online, a big part of your GMP and resources are "moved online", and the moment you go offline they are gone.
Great feature, isn't it? Please don't overreact. /s
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Why does this game sound more like an open world "Clash of Clans" the more I hear about it? Maybe I'll just replay Sons of Liberty instead of picking this up. I'll take roller-blading bombers and acrobatic vampires over this shit any day.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Already sold it.
Yeah, disappointing.
MGS was a genre-defining, system-selling game that I STILL replay constantly.
Thinking about that original game if it were handled like MGSV makes me almost nauseous.
The series deserved a better send-off than this.
FranXico
Member
Always decline the terms of service every time you launch the game, and the impact on your experience will be down to a bare minimum.
It's possible, but FOBs make it a lot easier to be able to develop equipment faster, which can make the last part of the game a lot easier to get through with the higher rank equipment. I can't even imagine taking on the likes of the Extreme version of the final boss without a rank 5 rocket launcher.
Haunted
Member
In terms of missing content, It's just one or two missions which tutorialise the whole base defence and infiltration thing and (as of this update) most endgame weapons and upgrades you won't have enough resources to access. In terms of your progression path, not having working FOBs will slow down your upgrades and resource acquisition, but certainly not completely halt your progress.
The game is still absolutely completable. Whether anyone would want to reward Konami with their money after all this is another question, of course.
EvilAlPacino
Banned
So is this only affecting the online portion, not the single player mode?
I havent kept up with any news with MGSV. Just saw this and I'm like WTF.
I havent purchased MGSV but want to, but only for the single campaign. I dont care for the online portion.
Someone clarify for me. Thanks.
I havent kept up with any news with MGSV. Just saw this and I'm like WTF.
I havent purchased MGSV but want to, but only for the single campaign. I dont care for the online portion.
Someone clarify for me. Thanks.
FranXico
Member
Fixed that for you. It's not an advantage at all.
why does it matter? if you say you're about to give up on the game over the fact that you have to pay to get a couple of guns that you said yourself, don't even matter. They are putting up a "paywall" for people that like to focus on FOB invasions. This doesn't change the fact that if you beef up your security and don't constantly invade others, the chances of you getting invaded or losing something becomes extremely low. Thus making this "paywall" something that is optional for the people that truly care about this dumb little mode.
I'm getting a bit annoyed at people jumping on the hate train for this and thus, the game in general, before fully understanding what these new patches do. I'm not saying thats you in particular, it's just something I've noticed in the last few threads like this. For example the fact that if you put a tiny bit of time in beefing up your security the chances of you losing stuff are low. Thus making all the extra stuff that costs money not matter as much anymore. Is it stupid there's insurance? Yes obviously it is. Is it worth getting worked up over now? Not really. New guns that are the same as the old versions, just minor invisible stat increases being locked away isn't as big of an issue as people are making it out to be.
The patch seems to have fixed an exploit in the single player that revolved around material containers respawning at full capacity without any real effort, but other than that, it sounds like they've left everything else alone. As a matter of fact, they actually did fix an aspect of the online integration for offline, as you're now able to sell your online resources that get shoved off onto the servers once you reach the offline limit. Felt good to sell all those tanks again.
You just poured a half-empty cup of water onto the same statement.
Neff
Member
It always seemed to me that Konami set out to make the FOB element as miserable an experience as possible from day one, and I never bothered with it as a result. It may as well not exist to me, and it hasn't impacted my fantastic experience with TPP in the least.
If they want to continue ruining the FOB aspect, then that's fine with me.
If they want to continue ruining the FOB aspect, then that's fine with me.
nephilimdj
Member
I dont even get how the new pf system works, guy has 100,000 points after 1 day and I have 260
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Boy, that grade 8 tranq requirement....I was like, nope.
Sucks that they nerf mission 12 exploit :/
Sucks that they nerf mission 12 exploit :/
I never really understood it in the first place. I've had losses on defense where I was clearly higher level in that regard over the other player's offense. That shit is using maths not intended for homo sapiens. At least it looks a lot nicer now!
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I don't know why you're on about FOB invasions. I never said I cared about them. I've never once been invaded, nor have I ever invaded someone. My issue was always with the quarantining of single-player content behind content that requires you to either pay or wait a long time. Content that is primarily multiplayer that I don't have much interest in. Why should I, as a single-player, have to pay more to unlock multi-player focused advancements in order to develop weapons to be used in my single-player experience. If you don't understand and find it annoying then that's your problem. I've defended most of Konami's decisions up this point because it hasn't affected me to this point. But now, here I am, unable to unlock something because I didn't want a second FOB (because of the cost and time requirement). And that personally is unacceptable.
Edit: And now I'm starting to see why so many people found me annoying when I was trying to defend previous changes.
Shift Breaker
Member
I loved this game when it came out, but with all the stuff they patch in I've gone from "must get the plat" to "just fuck everything"
hydrophilic attack
Member
Weren't all these super-hard to develop items added in a patch? You can still get all the stuff that you paid for at launch without buying microtransactions.
Palette Swap
Member
I'm kind of there too. I S ranked every mission and developed a shitload of stuff but I don't think I'll ever finish doing these story mission tasks or finish all the side missions.
Last I checked, my nuke was 15 hours from completion.
*sigh* And Konami strikes again.
I have a list with every game I will buy once I acquire a PS4. Needless to say, MGSV was removed from that list quickly, and this kind of news don't give me any reason to put it back.
I also have a list of companies I don't buy anything from anymore. Konami skyrocketed to first place.
I have a list with every game I will buy once I acquire a PS4. Needless to say, MGSV was removed from that list quickly, and this kind of news don't give me any reason to put it back.
I also have a list of companies I don't buy anything from anymore. Konami skyrocketed to first place.
You can't even use MB coins on any of the previously released items, since they're not tied to your online resources for development.
hydrophilic attack
Member
The patches don't affect side objectives and side-ops. Also, the side objectives are often really fun. They're worth doing.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I got all the stuff pre-patch. Literally everything you can get without spending money. Even every single stupid word you can add to your emblem. My point is single-player content is now being locked behind multiplayer content that you have to pay for (or wait months as Konami 'graciously' gives you pathetic 30 MP daily rewards). If it was just a $5 weapon pack you buy, and get all the garbage, then this wouldn't be an issue. But it's not that. It's pay $10. Develop a 2nd FOB. Invest hours into farming resources to upgrade that FOB. Wait days as it upgrades. Invest more hours into filling the FOB. Then wait 3+ days to finally get to develop a couple guns that I just want to screw around with in the single-player game. You think that's an okay model?
hydrophilic attack
Member
Since it was stuff added for free? Sure.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Define free. How is me having to pay for a second FOB free? Or do you honestly find it reasonable to expect a player to log into the game every single day to get a daily bonus for 2-3 months until they can buy it themselves. Rewards that Konami can yank at any moment, mind you. They know it's an annoyance, and do it purely to encourage people to pay to circumvent their nonsense.
Please tell me you're not this much of a fanboy. This blind acceptance is what is going to drive me to that 'bandwagon' of hate for this game people keep talking about.
You don't "have" to pay for jack shit though.
Everything you could have obtained from the game you bought at release is still obtainable now, no content that you bought is being removed.
If you want to use these new items that have been added since then, you're either going to have to either pay to own the new content or grind for it and get it for free.
I don't like MGSV and was amazingly disappointed by it, but this is silly.
nephilimdj
Member
With two FOB, even if you did the weekly online deployments, would take you 2-3 months to grind the 100 odd S rank engineers to get 87 (plus would lose 100+ other S soldiers in that time). Its a hugeee grind
skLaFarebear
Member
You'll see it around the menus, but you should never feel compelled to spend a dime. The only thing all this stuff does is help you get things faster, but you never get them slow enough that you'll feel stuck because your gear is shit. They're annoying, but they're certainly not progression blockers for the story.
Just make sure you build all kinds of weapons like tranqs/assault rifles/snipers/rockets/c4's./etc. as you play and you'll be good.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Ok, so maybe it wasn't the smartest way to do it. It sounds like a bit of a pain in the ass so it will probably scare some people away and in the end it may make them less money than if they had just put them into a weapon pack you could buy for $15 or whatever.
Main point is, the microtransactions aren't locking me out of any of the stuff I paid for when I bought the game so I can't be angry about it. If Konami is making less money than they could have done by choosing a more traditional DLC system, then that's their problem, not mine.
And maybe even some people like it this way. It may not be for a semi-casual fan like me, but for the people who are really into the FOB stuff, role-playing as philanthropists and patriots with regards to the nuke meta-game, this adds something to work towards. It's maybe not for me and you, but a lot of people enjoy that skinner-box design. It's why games like CoD and Grand Turismo are popular.
Only in that it removed a farming exploit. Other than that, no.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Yeah. I think I'm not gonna finish it ever... Konami is evil.
Right, and that's a ridiculous amount of time and only the most committed will ever get it without paying.
But. This is a free content update. You can still get everything before this update in exactly the same way as always. You haven't been "ripped off", it's just these new items are fantastically difficult to get without paying for them.
I wonder if this level of outrage would exist if you couldn't obtain the equipment by grinding, and "had" to spend cash to buy them as a DLC pack.
Spring-Loaded
Member
People would probably still frown upon it, but it wouldn't be as bad as having to pay for the coins, use those to get the FOB, expand the FOB, fill it with people, collect/mine the resources need, research the stuff for however long, then get to use the weapons. In your scenario, you would pay, then get the weapons, or at most have to wait out the research/development time.
RevolverRoden
Member
More overreacting I see.
Cool.
Cool.