TheChillyAcademic
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Shouldn't have gone with Revenge of the Jedi.
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Kotaku Rumor: BioShock Infinite is troubled, having issues reaching vision, cut modes
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Also, Stalker Shadows of Chernobyl. Although to be fair, that game took a few patches before it got really awesome.
As I recall Starcraft 2 was in dev hell a couple of years as well and that turned out great.
DanielJr82
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A little disheartened, but I remain optimistic. Push it back to fall 2013 if need be.
PixyJunket
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Final Fantasy: The Crystal Bearers was much delayed and completely amazing when it came out.
Um, but I might be on a small list of people that would say that.
They just spend money and time until they feel a product is either unsellable or great and then release it.
Though this strategy mostly earns them losses and shareholder rebellions.
Turn out great? Since BioShock I'd put Borderlands as the only really good game they've published.
They keep going on like they're Rockstar and they'll be crippled sooner or later.
Incendiary
Banned
I got the impression from the E3 2011 demo that, while it was awesome, it also rung slightly as too good to be true. The entire scenario they displayed seemed to be too heavily scripted, especially for a supposed "optional" event.
If they can manage to pull off the scope they intended to from the beginning, I'll be super impressed and Infinite will be one of my favorite games of all-time. However, I'm tailoring back my expectations with this news of them having trouble reaching their vision. I'm sure Infinite will be a great game in whatever form it comes together, but I'm not going to expect it to be a super visionary title.
If they can manage to pull off the scope they intended to from the beginning, I'll be super impressed and Infinite will be one of my favorite games of all-time. However, I'm tailoring back my expectations with this news of them having trouble reaching their vision. I'm sure Infinite will be a great game in whatever form it comes together, but I'm not going to expect it to be a super visionary title.
They are, as are 2K Games, who we're discussing no?Rockstar is a fully owned subsidiary of Take-Two.
old manatee
Banned
Sounds like a lot of effort for multiplayer that'll be dead in a couple of weeks.
They're the same company though. I mean, they even share resources across divisions like with Mafia and moving L.A. Noire from the 2K branding to the Rockstar branding.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Another perfectly good single player experience ruined by tacked on multiplayer.
Rockstar Games bought the LA Noire IP directly from SCE I believe. It was never a 2K game.
I'm sure there are some cross resources, but unlike Rockstar, 2K's protracted development doesn't have a history of significant returns, which was my point.
I remember it being on one of their 2K/Rockstar chart things, but I could be hallucinating.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Hope this turns out well. Game has looked fucking awesome the couple times we've seen anything of it.
Thanks.
The second half was quite impressive in terms of detail vs openworld.
Though i had already seen it during E3, i guess it didn't made quite the impact because after the Oblivion one from 2007, i've been burnt on these kind of demonstrations and now i just automatically assume they're mostly handcrafted bullshit.
Unless they go out of their way to prove otherwise (Dishonored).
PixyJunket
Member
Multi-player in BioShock 2 is still alive for the most part (been playing it this week).
Some modes are indeed dead, but standard deathmatch is always kind of healthy though.
Baron_Calamity
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At this point I rather play a Bioshock 3 from 2K Marin. If Bioshock Infinite isn't what that demo show, I kinda don't want it. :\
Poimandres
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If Bioshock Infinite isn't what the demo showed... then you have no idea what it will be!
Rapture is done and dusted. The only way a game set in Rapture would interest me in the slightest would be if it was set before/during the fall.
Lord_Byron28
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I'm not concerned about the multiplayer gets cut. It's unfortunate that so much time and money was wasted but I probably wouldn't play multiplayer anyway. Hopefully the single player is still amazing.
It seems to me they had the idea and roughly what they wanted to do with the setting, story and different gameplay ideas but they didn't actually grasp how it would actually work. The E3 2011 demo blew me away and I was pumped but I was very nervous how these large scale rail fights, Elizabeth's powers or these seemingly random/anytime scripted events would occur so perfectly in what was supposed to be an open world. Very exciting but possibly too ambitious.
It seems to me they had the idea and roughly what they wanted to do with the setting, story and different gameplay ideas but they didn't actually grasp how it would actually work. The E3 2011 demo blew me away and I was pumped but I was very nervous how these large scale rail fights, Elizabeth's powers or these seemingly random/anytime scripted events would occur so perfectly in what was supposed to be an open world. Very exciting but possibly too ambitious.
True but Valve is infinitely superior to any other dev that exists or has existed. It's the exception than validates the "rule".
Souless_PJ
Banned
I'd be fine with them pushing it to fall if they need to. Rather it be a swansong to the end of this gen than be rushed.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Hope Rod Fergusson leaving doesnt hinder the new Gears game at all. Real community oriented type of guy. Hope he does well with Bioshock.
Poimandres
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There was a rumour that it had been cancelled, but the publisher came out to say it's still in development. When it does resurface, it's probably going to be quite different to how it was when announced. Maybe even a total change of developers.
At least it's not cancelled like STALKER 2
I guess that depends precisely on how 'late' in the development cycle the game really is.
ThisWreckage
Banned
So they spent time and money on a multiplayer component, only to cut it out later? That is exactly why all games do NOT need multiplayer modes. The original game didn't have multiplayer and I didn't miss such a thing either.
A new producer is a good sign isn't it? It implies the project is being dogged by productivity not a lack of direction. In which case, it's just a requirement of pairing down and pushing to the end.
A director's role is making sure all horse are pulling in the same direction, and the producer's role is to whip them to a certain speed, so at least they're heading where they should seemingly.
A director's role is making sure all horse are pulling in the same direction, and the producer's role is to whip them to a certain speed, so at least they're heading where they should seemingly.
DanielJr82
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As of right now all we know is that certain multiplayer modes have been cut, we're not sure if it's the whole multiplayer suite.
Infinite will be great and you all know it. If the internet went this crazy over every project in turmoil, we'd have nothing else to talk about. Huge projects like this, be it film, games or TV almost always hit some major bumps. Most of the time the public just doesn't know about it.
They probably backed up a truck of money to his front door.
The core concept never really made that much sense to me. From what I understand you happen upon different scenes / temporal rifts and can activate them - for example you can warp in a set of weapons or a wall or something.
It sounded extremely canned and scripted. They made it sound like you could approach encounters in different ways but in reality the ways were all pre-programmed. Really did not sound exciting to me.
Also their hiring seems messed up, well beyond that 85 metacritic stuff. Talking to some people I know who have applied and reading their job postings they are probably missing a lot of good hires.
That is sad to hear, but given how ambitious they were being, I don't find it terribly surprising. If greatness was easy to achieve, it wouldn't be great. At the very least, the boldness of their vision was impressive. I hope they can pull it together and produce the game they want to.
Castor Krieg
Banned
I don't understand what was so ambitious about it. The concept of Columbia was very solid, everything was coming along nicely, Bioshock Infinite was a clear improvement over Bioshock 1 & 2. What is the problem?
TheVampire
Banned
-BLITZ-
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After Bioshock was released, few interviews where made with Levin and his team telling the entire history process of the game, the first concepts to the lastest ideas and cutting content on the final version nearly close to its release, to get in what they really wanted to give to us.
This is what they are facing right now.
Brother Sport
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I truly hope this is the kind of game we are going to look back on like Half-Life 2 or something, a masterpiece despite all the problems within development.
So sad to hear that Irrationals ambition may bite them in the ass.
So sad to hear that Irrationals ambition may bite them in the ass.
One thing that surprised me in both of the longer demos they showed was just how open it was. It seemed like you could literally hop around the city with the rail system as you please. And not just to go into different "islands" with buildings and houses, but there was shit like the blimp flying around in the second demo that had a full environment inside that. It all looked like an open-world game basically.
Though open-world games have been around for ages at this point so...I don't know. Just something about the demo felt off. Like what they were showing couldn't be translated into a sustainable 8-10 hour experience or however long they're planning.
Even more so than BioShock, it seems to be taking several design elements from HL2. In-game 'cutscenes' which the first game didn't really do, plenty of non-hostile people in the environment, a female companion AI. Ultimately what went someway to define HL2 was the exceptional illusion of freedom that game offers. It's as tightly scripted as anything, but it gives you the impression you choose from a number of possible roots, where in reality, they know which direction you'll head, so they only have to build that one. It's done in a number ways, primarily lighting, but it's a very cool trick they pull.
If BioShock is attempting something similar, for example if that second gameplay demo plays out in the only effective way it could, it could be virtually impossible to convince players to actually choose that specific root. It's so quick, and complex, and everything looks inviting unlike HL2's oppressive atmosphere. Watching that video, all I want to do is get off the rails and slowly explore the town.
Yes. You articulated my thoughts much better than I could. It just seems like it'd be hard to work in all the scripted stuff between Booker and Elizabeth, or the stuff with Elizabeth's powers (the bit with the horse and Revenge of the Jedi), the Songbird encounters and other story bits like those in such a massive and seemingly wide open environment.
I really hope they find that balance, though. Somehow. Loved Irrational's past work and this has had me super interested ever since the reveal trailer.
More Fun To Compute
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Am I the only one who looked at the environments and gameplay and thought that they couldn't achieve this on current generation consoles? That's before you go into the stupid amount of work needed to have a character like Elizabeth following you through the whole game not acting like a broken robot.