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[Dragon]

Seriously. Explain the relevance of things that happened 7 or 8 years ago on these current machines. Or continue posting awesome Castle gifs. I dun care.

I would like to state that yes, resolution does make a difference and does matter. Does it matter enough though, for the average joe gamer, is the question and the answer will be revealed in the coming years.

I have played both systems, seen games like BF4 and COD Ghosts, and they do look crisper on the PS4. I have also played Ryse, which looks better than any other launch title to me.

Say what you want about Killzone's bizarre plot and its gameplay issues, when talking about graphics, I'm going to completely disagree with you in every way on Ryse.

 

[Foxyone]

Quite honestly, the only people that downplay 1080p and 60FPS are the people that do not have it.

Before these new consoles came out, wasn't there something about not being able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or it not being important?

 

[Maxy]

Intuitive with mandatory Kinect? That has to be tongue n cheek right? They had to release a gigantic list of commands it could interpret. How exactly is that intuitive?

This isn't an either-or proposition, this is simply pointing out that it does matter, and when talking about this specific subject, your other points just prove to be irrelevant.

I think that it's really cool and do believe that this is something that might be the standard in the future and among the other non gaming features is something that justifies the 100 dollars over the PS4 for me. Since it's mandatory it can be developed for more freely and might just get better and better over time.

How can something be point out as "it objectively does matter" when it clearly doesn't matter for some people in this thread?

 

[Whiteshirt]

Before these new consoles came out, wasn't there something about not being able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or it not being important?

Whoever was saying that is utterly insane. You can get away with 1600x900 with very, very, very good anti-aliasing (guess what Ryse has?) but 1280x720 vs. 1920x1080? You have to be absolutely blind if you can't tell the difference.

 

[wizzbang]

Seriously. Explain the relevance of things that happened 7 or 8 years ago on these current machines. Or continue posting awesome Castle gifs. I dun care.



Say what you want about Killzone's bizarre plot and its gameplay issues, when talking about graphics, I'm going to completely disagree with you in every way on Ryse.

I need not explain it, for someone to dismiss the fact this stupid shit (which is more graphically powerful) that's been debated for almost every console release in history is frankly, fucking madness. That gif couldn't be more applicable.

 

[CorporateClown]

So many One apologists, it's hilarious. Now, I agree that when it comes down to it it's the games that matter and I'd much rather play great games at 720p than mediocre games at 1080p. But come on, don't try to justify your purchase with because the One has Dead Rising 3 or Ryse. If last gen was anything to go by, then Sony will once again curb stomp in terms of exclusives so the games argument is weak as hell. Just say you bought the system for Halo/Forza and be done with it.

 

[Marleyman]

Because they're being hypocrites. "I don't care the slightest about this... but I'm going to comment anyway to show how much I don't care!".

I look forward to your follow up question of why hypocrites are so bad.

I take the "I don't care" as they don't really care about resolution like some others do.

 

[LoveCake]

If both games play the same & cost the same then if the PS4 version looks better than the X1 version, people will want the better looking version, it is obvious really.

 

[Whiteshirt]

I need not explain it, for someone to dismiss the fact this stupid shit (which is more graphically powerful) that's been debated for almost every console release in history is frankly, fucking madness. That gif couldn't be more applicable.

Except this is the first time where the consoles are already significantly outdated to current mid-range desktops ($600-800) and laptops with upper range GPUs. With one console with a GPU that is already destroyed by a GPU that costs a little bit more than $150 USD on Amazon.

If we're talking about longevity, guess which console will have more of it when developers try to start squeezing blood from a stone like this generation? Especially when one has the groundwork to actually harness the GPU to bolster the pathetic CPU for AI or whatever that can actually improve performance and gameplay?

 

[Maxy]

But most people compare.

I would with out any source to back it up say that most people don't compare. We easily forget that we who engage our self in comparisons like these are a minority.

I have about 10 childhood friends who play games on a regular basis and only one knows anything about the difference between the consoles this gen or last gen and even he says that he bases his console choice on features over graphics.

Plus, there's a bunch of families who buys the consoles based solely on the features.

So I'd say no, but who knows? If anyone knows of any statistics on this matter; please post.

 

[Marleyman]

KZ SF is the best indicator have you played that? It is bonkers. Having played through both the PQ edges KZ past Ryse for me

I think KZ looks amazing, especially the city. I just think Ryse edges it for me due to Crytek's ability to get what they got out of the system at launch. Makes me look forward to seeing what other devs can do.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I take the "I don't care" as they don't really care about resolution like some others do.

Then they wouldn't be in the thread.

 

[Marleyman]

Say what you want about Killzone's bizarre plot and its gameplay issues, when talking about graphics, I'm going to completely disagree with you in every way on Ryse.

They are the best two looking launch titles, no doubt about it. We will just have to agree to disagree about which one is more impressive graphically.

 

[Damian.]

Ryse looks good in screenshots, but in motion, the low framerate absolutely kills it. Crytek should be ashamed of themselves trying to pass this off as a game, even without taking the 0% gameplay into account.

 

[Marleyman]

Then they wouldn't be in the thread.

Why can't they voice that it doesn't matter to be a counter point to those saying it does?

 

[wizzbang]

So many One apologists, it's hilarious. Now, I agree that when it comes down to it it's the games that matter and I'd much rather play great games at 720p than mediocre games at 1080p. But come on, don't try to justify your purchase with because the One has Dead Rising 3 or Ryse. If last gen was anything to go by, then Sony will once again curb stomp in terms of exclusives so the games argument is weak as hell. Just say you bought the system for Halo/Forza and be done with it.

I've been the primary rebuker of this thread for at least 2 pages, so I assume you're calling me an apologist? I have literally ZERO interest in an Xbox One. My PS4 KZ Bundle should arrive in a week or two.

I know all about silly whining over irrelevant stuff, seeing as I was a big PS3 fan early on, I too had to endure endless hours of Xbox 360 fans berating my console of choice, mocking it, whining, laughing and generally trolling PS3 discussions regarding graphical fidelity. As much as I'd love to rub it back in, now that Sony has the upper hand, I'd rather apply what I learnt the last 7 years console gaming to my forum posts and not "get my revenge"

Xbox One fans, who actually like the exclusives, good for you! party hard, enjoy your system. Hope you enjoy the exclusives and the graphics don't bug you. Have fun guys and girls and good luck,

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especially with that fucking UI,.... now THAT is an actual important topic!, you poor bastards.

<3

 

[SeanR1221]

If you don't have a problem with resolution then fine bail out of the thread but it's a ridiculous notion that it isn't a big deal. Most of you are used to gaming on your PS3 and 360 where the IQ was almost always sacrificed for in order to achieve great effects so your carrying this conditioned POV into next gen which is ridiculous. We finally have consoles capable of achieving fantastic clarity with all the fx. Anyone that says otherwise isn't playing KZSF or NBA2K or Resogun. You can have it all people! One console right now is delivering it all and at a cheaper cost. THAT IS A BIG DEAL.

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

 

[la flama blanca]

I think KZ looks amazing, especially the city. I just think Ryse edges it for me due to Crytek's ability to get what they got out of the system at launch. Makes me look forward to seeing what other devs can do.

Crytek can't hold a candle to what GG has done with Killzone. The graphics are good, but considering the crappy canned animations with weird transitions between them and a much smaller scale than Killzone, I'd say Killzone definitely takes the cake and shouldn't even be on the same level.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Is there anything on Bone that sucks as bad as Killzone?

KZ doesn't suck. It's good at being a shooter with big environments and mixes up the gameplay in certain parts. Perhaps for people who play FPS a lot it will suck, but someone like me for whom it is my first KZ and that doesn't play FPS often it seems fine. It's not a super amazing, "I will be attached to this franchise from now on" kind of thing. I'll openly admit I would never have jumped into this game if it had been released in the rush of titles in the years to come.

However just because it isn't a stellar, memorable, 10/10, I will remember and replay this for life kind of game, doesn't mean it sucks. And to be honest, none of the launch games are that kind of game anyway. Perhaps apart from Resogun, which is in its own category in the indie-sphere anyway.

 

[wizzbang]

Except this is the first time where the consoles are already significantly outdated to current mid-range desktops ($600-800) and laptops with upper range GPUs. With one console with a GPU that is already destroyed by a GPU that costs a little bit more than $150 USD on Amazon.

If we're talking about longevity, guess which console will have more of it when developers try to start squeezing blood from a stone like this generation? Especially when one has the groundwork to actually harness the GPU to bolster the pathetic CPU for AI or whatever that can actually improve performance and gameplay?

Hint:
PC's have also hit the wall of diminishing returns too....

 

[Marleyman]

Crytek can't hold a candle to what GG has done with Killzone. The graphics are good, but considering the crappy canned animations with weird transitions between them and a much smaller scale than Killzone, I'd say Killzone definitely takes the cake and shouldn't even be on the same level.

Comparing the animations of a 3rd person action game to an FPS is the wrong road to go down. What Crytek did w/ Ryse, as a launch title, is impressive as hell to me.

This quote from Digital Foundry sums it up well

That said, if you really want a taste of what we can expect from the next generation of consoles, Ryse towers over the rest.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ryse-son-of-rome

 

[Damian.]

That said, if you really want a taste of what we can expect from the next generation of consoles, Ryse towers over the rest.

It's going to be a long shitty gen if unacceptable framerates and subpar gameplay is a taste of what's to come. WTF.

 

[Marleyman]

KZ doesn't suck. It's good at being a shooter with big environments and mixes up the gameplay in certain parts. Perhaps for people who play FPS a lot it will suck, but someone like me for whom it is my first KZ and that doesn't play FPS often it seems fine. It's not a super amazing, "I will be attached to this franchise from now on" kind of thing. I'll openly admit I would never have jumped into this game if it had been released in the rush of titles in the years to come.

However just because it isn't a stellar, memorable, 10/10, I will remember and replay this for life kind of game, doesn't mean it sucks. And to be honest, none of the launch games are that kind of game anyway. Perhaps apart from Resogun, which is in its own category in the indie-sphere anyway.

One thing that killed KZ SF for me was the fetching they had you do, with little direction on what you were looking for. That is OT though, so back to resolution talk.

 

[la flama blanca]

Comparing the animations of a 3rd person action game to an FPS is the wrong road to go down. What Crytek did w/ Ryse, as a launch title, is impressive as hell to me.

This quote from Digital Foundry sums it up well



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ryse-son-of-rome

You'd expect a third person action game to have better animations though, no?

 

[WinFonda]

I would with out any source to back it up say that most people don't compare. We easily forget that we who engage our self in comparisons like these are a minority.

I have about 10 childhood friends who play games on a regular basis and only one knows anything about the difference between the consoles this gen or last gen and even he says that he bases his console choice on features over graphics.

Plus, there's a bunch of families who buys the consoles based solely on the features.

So I'd say no, but who knows? If anyone knows of any statistics on this matter; please post.

Huh? so you're saying people do compare, they just compare on features... which is... pretty much everything. but if you're buying a tv, game console, camcorder, something with optics involved, etc. isn't the resolution - the quality of what you're seeing - a fairly relevant feature?

 

[ZealousMonkey]

He meant saving money, not being unable to tell the difference between 480p and 1080p, lol.

I know but.... I wouldn't call it a blessing because not being able to see that detail would be a curse to me.

 

[Marleyman]

It's going to be a long shitty gen if unacceptable framerates and subpar gameplay is a taste of what's to come. WTF.

Gameplay isn't what they are referring to and the framerates aren't dreadful; they do dip below 30 fps, which was promised. How much of Ryse have you played? I went in with a negative outlook on the game due to reviews and left feeling like the reviewers were off base with some of their criticisms.

 

[Whiteshirt]

Hint:
PC's have also hit the wall of diminishing returns too....

Yeah, that's not really right. The CPU has reached a point that constant upgrades are not required (since you just overclock Intel processors like mad) but GPU upgrades every few years are required if you don't want to bump down on ingame quality settings or accept fairly large and unstable FPS drops.

Diminishing returns have always existed with PC hardware. Mid range parts have always been the most economical this has no changed. Only difference now is that it's just the GPU that has to be replaced fairly regularly now Intel has stopped going mad with performance improvements so there is no reason to upgrade it.

 

[Marleyman]

You'd expect a third person action game to have better animations though, no?

I think the animations are solid; not spectacular. It is more difficult to pull off smooth animations for a 3rd person action title like this than an FPS like KZ.

 

[Maxy]

Huh? so you're saying people do compare, they just compare on features... which is... pretty much everything. but if you're buying a tv, game console, camcorder, something with optics involved, etc. isn't the resolution - the quality of what you're seeing - a fairly relevant feature?

Of course we do compare. Check out the full post I quoted since it was about the graphics. My point is that I don't think that people compare graphics exclusively which was stated in the post I quoted and that the value of a console isn't based solely on the GPU for a lot of people.

 

[pushBAK]

Kotaku does what Ars Technican't?

Well done, sir.

Anywho, resolution will be a huge problem for the X1. I started playing AC4 when it was 900p, and I thought it looked amazing. When the 1080p patch hit, I was blown away by the detail. Haystacks looked particularly amazing. It would be difficult at this point to go back to a lower resolution version of this game.

One particularly bothersome aspect of how the Xbone handles it's scaler...

Original for reference..

I honestly never want to play AC4 on Xbox after seeing differences like this. Probly something I'd never would've noticed had I not seen these images side by side. My multiplats will be bought on PS4 and it's because of differences like this.

 

[wizzbang]

Yeah, that's not really right. The CPU has reached a point that constant upgrades are not required (since you just overclock Intel processors like mad) but GPU upgrades every few years are required if you don't want to bump down on ingame quality settings or accept fairly large and unstable FPS drops.

Except it is.
The 7970 is still an exceptionally good video card and it's over 2 full years old.
Dimishing returns are in effect, on ALL mature platforms.

 

[ZealousMonkey]

I think KZ looks amazing, especially the city. I just think Ryse edges it for me due to Crytek's ability to get what they got out of the system at launch. Makes me look forward to seeing what other devs can do.

Ryse doesn't hold a candle to KZ in terms of real time tech. Not even close. Ryse looks great for what it is but let's be serious here: it still has a crap framerate and is 900p. A LOT of concessions can be made when you are running at those numbers. And I still think Ryse looks worse campaign vs campaign. I see Ryse on a friend's plasma so I don't own it but....

 

[Damian.]

Gameplay isn't what they are referring to and the framerates aren't dreadful; they do dip below 30 fps, which was promised. How much of Ryse have you played? I went in with a negative outlook on the game due to reviews and left feeling like the reviewers were off base with some of their criticisms.

I watched the game on Youtube with disconnected 360 controller in hand following the button prompts, so I experienced virtually all of what the game had to offer. Not impressed.

 

[Marleyman]

I watched the game on Youtube, so I experienced virtually all of what the game had to offer. Not impressed.

I am going to use your method in the future when deciding on if a game is impressive or not...youtube.

 

[stryke]

Hint:
PC's have also hit the wall of diminishing returns too....

I still haven't seen anything close to the Infiltrator.

 

[Damian.]

That was my exact reaction when I learned they Crytek passed Ryse off as a "game". Do you have a hidden camera in my room?!

 

[Marleyman]

That was my exact reaction when I learned they Crytek passed Ryse off as a "game". Do you have a hidden camera in my room?!

Go watch more youtube videos.

 

[ZealousMonkey]

I still haven't seen anything close to the Infiltrator.

Diminishing returns are hardware based. Has nothing to do with PC. We haven't even hit close to photo realism real time 60fps. There will be no diminishing returns until we do IMO.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I am going to use your method in the future when deciding on if a game is impressive or not...youtube.

He was making a joke about the fact that Ryse is a non-game. It was actually pretty funny.

 

[Damian.]

Go watch more youtube videos.

You can only do that for games that have 0 real gameplay. Ryse is one of those games.

 

[WinFonda]

Of course we do compare. Check out the full post I quoted since it was about the graphics. My point is that I don't think that people compare graphics exclusively which was stated in the post I quoted and that the value of a console isn't based solely on the GPU for a lot of people.

Oh no, I don't think people compare graphics exclusively either. But if one machine is cheaper and is also more capable at rendering - which is a rather prominent role of a game console - I think it's an important point of comparison.

 

[Whiteshirt]

Except it is.
The 7970 is still an exceptionally good video card and it's over 2 full years old.
Dimishing returns are in effect, on ALL mature platforms.

No shit it's still good, it was AMD's flagship card that used to cost over $500. Who knew flagship parts are still good after two years on the market?

Contrary to belief, high end PC parts generally stay relevant for a while even way back when (unless they were fucking around with types of RAM or whatever).

Now neither the PS4 or Xbox One are using half decent parts unlike the HD7970 you decided to bring up. The Ps4 is at least geared to have enough graphical and GPGPU grunt to deal with next gen requirements; the Xbox One has none of that and the whole resolution hubbub shows this.

 

[Dragon]

I think that it's really cool and do believe that this is something that might be the standard in the future and among the other non gaming features is something that justifies the 100 dollars over the PS4 for me. Since it's mandatory it can be developed for more freely and might just get better and better over time.

How can something be point out as "it objectively does matter" when it clearly doesn't matter for some people in this thread?

1080p vs. 720p matters for image quality period. Whether or not you care about it, is not relevant to whether it matters. Kotaku pointed out WHY it matters as well, and nothing anyone's said to try to contradict that has succeeded. You can choose to cross your arms and move your couch three feet farther back if you want. I can't stop you. But I'm going to disagree with people who say it doesn't matter.

 

[Marleyman]

He was making a joke about the fact that Ryse is a non-game. It was actually pretty funny.

This is a thread about resolution and we were talking about Ryse in terms of look, animations, frame rate etc. It was a lame attempt at a joke and a ton of people actually enjoy Ryse..shocking, I guess.

 

[Damian.]

My living room can't be expanded at the current time, so it does matter.

 

[Lord Error]

I can't believe they used a scaled-down GIF animation to prove their point. Do they really have no clue about anything when it comes to any sort of graphics or graphic formats?

GIF uses dithering to simulate more than 256 colors that it normally support. If you scale a dithered image you end up with something that looks like total garbage which is what theirs is like.

 

[Marleyman]

You can only do that for games that have 0 real gameplay. Ryse is one of those games.

We were talking about the look of the game and you started going on about gameplay and watching youtube videos of it; spare me. I look forward to your next review of a game that you didn't play and watched on youtube.

 

[Maxy]

Oh no, I don't think people compare graphics exclusively either. But if one machine is cheaper and is also more capable at rendering - which is a rather prominent role of a game console - I think it's an important point of comparison.

Sure absolutely I'm with you, but what I was debating was the idea that the Xbox One isn't worth it's price solely because of it's inferior hardware ("solely" since features and other stuff like the controller is very subjective). Something I can't for the life of me can't figure out why I'm getting bashed for. It appears very logical for me that the idea of value is subjective.

1080p vs. 720p matters for image quality period. Whether or not you care about it, is not relevant to whether it matters. Kotaku pointed out WHY it matters as well, and nothing anyone's said to try to contradict that has succeeded. You can choose to cross your arms and move your couch three feet farther back if you want. I can't stop you. But I'm going to disagree with people who say it doesn't matter.

Again, discussing the value of a console since a few pages back. Not the fact that it's harder to play some games with lower resolution.

 

[Damian.]

This is a thread about resolution and we were talking about Ryse in terms of look, animations, frame rate etc. It was a lame attempt at a joke and a ton of people actually enjoy Ryse..shocking, I guess.

They are making an excuse for wasting $60. I would enjoy it too if I made that mistake.

We were talking about the look of the game and you started going on about gameplay and watching youtube videos of it; spare me. I look forward to your next review of a game that you didn't play and watched on youtube.

It's a game with no real gameplay besides hitting the correct buttons when you are prompted. You can experience the entire game by watching it on Youtube with a random controller in hand. Are you delusional?