The difference between a $500 system with ~720p and and a $400 system with ~1080p is a huge issue to people who want the best visuals/price.
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Kotaku: Why PS4's higher resolution than Xbox One matters
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The difference between a $500 system with ~720p and and a $400 system with ~1080p is a huge issue to people who want the best visuals/price.
You should see an optometrist. Not a joke. If you seriously can't tell the difference than you should get corrective eyewear.
I can't tell the difference between 720P and 1080P without my glasses. With them, it's crystal clear.
Again, his post is certainly implying they are, or makes no sense. There's a difference between saying:
I don't care about resolution, what matters to me is loading times.
vs
I'd rather have a 720p game with no loading times than a 1080p game.
So if it's really got nothing to do with resolution, it's completely OT in a topic discussing the differences in native res for multiplat games on the two new consoles. Might as well say that you'd rather have a 720p game while eating pizza than a 1080p game while eating a bowl of plain rice.
Crimson_Fate
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Thats not the point.. I have fond memories of the Zork trilogies and Planet Fall but they were all text based , Still great Games . A great game does not need superior graphics or hardware to be great but the gaming experience will always be better if it has better graphics or a better framerate. There is a reason that people upgraded to nextgen consoles and it wasn't for the "Games" it was for the added gaming experience that the hardware could provide. So 900P 17-35FPS does not make Ryse a bad game it just makes the experience less enjoyable then it could have been if the hardware was better.
phosphor112
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Just an FYI, people have been banned for derailing tech threads into threads about "fun."
Tech != Fun
Fun != Tech
!= equals does not equal.
Also, the guy sounds like a giant man baby.
Here we go.
BruceLeeRoy
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Are you one of those people that can't tell the difference between a DVD or Blu Ray? Man I envy you people. I could save so much money if I had that blessing
plagiarize
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If you're going to keep saying things like the above, please stop saying things like the below:
because wanting to see graphical improvements at lower resolutions like more polygons and better lighting could be characterized in the exact same hyperbolic way. I could go on about 'Oh I guess you were too busy counting polygons and looking at pretty lights to actually enjoy THE GAMEPLAY'.
but I'm not going to, because I understand that gameplay, polycounts, lighting, image quality, etc are all related.
resolution isn't EVERYTHING to me. full disclosure, Alan Wake is one of my favorite games from last gen, and it has horrible image quality on Xbox 360 where I first fell in love with it. that said, I was over the moon when the PC version came out and I could play it with good image quality.
gameplay wise, you're never really required to identify things at long distances in that game, so it doesn't stop the game being fun to have bad IQ, but I found it much more immersive on PC when the bad IQ was left behind.
the best comparison I can draw is that on Xbox 360 it was like watching a film at the cinema where the film was slightly out of focus, or misframed. You can still enjoy the film, but you will regularly notice the issue, and get taken out of the film more often than if the issue wasn't there. It's an extra thing you have to deal with to suspend your disbelief, and the less of those, the better.
I dont know. I cant even play GTAV because of the framerate. Its not a slideshow, but it definitely looks and feels muddy, and I dont think I can stomach that for the entirety of the playthrough. If there's one thing PC has spoiled me on, its not resolution, but the ability to play everything at 60fps.
phosphor112
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Honestly, the IQ was "good enough" for me, but the frame rate really killed it for me. I get motion sickness when frame rates tanked. GTAV and FC3 were two games I couldn't play in long stints on console.
I ended up replaying FC3 on PC after I purchased my GTX770 and My god. Made it so much more fun.
Key words right here. Why should we care? Just because something is better in one aspect doesn't mean that the other is automatically bad.
When I was playing my N64 I was never checking on the PS1 and trying to figure out if it had better graphics or stuff like that. I was to busy playing countless hours of Goldeneye and OOT. Pure gameplay fun at its finest.
The PS4 goes for superior hardware for gaming as top priority. They think a reasonable price for that is 399.
The Xbox One goes for other priorities with multimedia, being intuitive and stuff with mandatory Kinect etc. They think a reasonable price for that is 499.
Choose one or the other if your interested, deal with it and spare us this nonsense which has been going on far to long.
Excellent post and the same goes for all the sympathy circle threads as of late.
We should care because when the masses don't care, quality suffers overall. I am tired of subpar quality shit being thrown to us day after day. Games should NOT play with similar frames to games from 1997. Games should be displayed at the refresh rates of our fucking televisions plain and simple.
Oh yeah let's live in a world without information where kids choose their console just based on allegiance and have zero demands! You're basically asking for anything that would benefit PS4 to be ignored for the sake of fairness fight lol.. Some people are fan of a console and will buy this one. But most people compare..
Yeah me either. No exclusives I care for on PS4 and OS was a heap of shit that made the PS4 crash so much. Glad I went the Xbone route.
Whiteshirt
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And when the same games run and look like Dead Rising 3?
Yes the game is probably fun. It would be more fun if it actually ran at a sensible frame rate and didn't look like shit.
That's why PS4's high resolution matters. Because of the spec difference, everything generally runs better and because everything runs better, the hobby where you input controls becomes more responsive and the visuals you see on the screen that are created via your inputs look better.
To say SPECS DONT MATTER, I CARE ABOUT GAMES is the dumbest argument in the world. Its like saying I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PRESENTATION AND QUALITY OF THE FOOD, THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE TASTE. Yes, caring about the taste is fine but only if you have really low standards and don't give a shit about what your food tastes like or consists of.
Yes the game is probably fun. It would be more fun if it actually ran at a sensible frame rate and didn't look like shit.
That's why PS4's high resolution matters. Because of the spec difference, everything generally runs better and because everything runs better, the hobby where you input controls becomes more responsive and the visuals you see on the screen that are created via your inputs look better.
To say SPECS DONT MATTER, I CARE ABOUT GAMES is the dumbest argument in the world. Its like saying I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PRESENTATION AND QUALITY OF THE FOOD, THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE TASTE. Yes, caring about the taste is fine but only if you have really low standards and don't give a shit about what your food tastes like or consists of.
I guess if I had a side by side comparison with me while I was gaming I could tell the difference, but its not a big deal to me.
Im loving battlefield 4 at the moment , i think the graphics are great and it doesn't bother me the slightest that its 720.
Im more interesting in playing games. Forza, Ryse, dead rising are so so good and I cant wait for titanfall & quantum break
Well, the title of the article says: Why PS4's higher resolution than Xbox One matters.
When the purpose of a video game console is to entertain people (may I call that "having fun"?) and the writer tries to explain why the tech matters for the consoles success (the creation of entertainment or/and fun) how can the opinions expressed in the video be derailing this thread?
If it was an all out TECH thread the article would be called something like;"The PS4 has better hardware/graphics than Xbox One" and in that case I wouldn't post that video.
RedNumberFive
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Marry me, seriously, do it.
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So.on.the.money.
We get that, honest - we do but they've been comparing SOLID AND HARD for 12 goddamn weeks, compare all you like but jesu fucking christo enough already.
My suggestion to NeoGaf mods at least? Time to mandate ONE thread for 720 vs 1080 Xbox comparisons, no more new posts / threads / articles on it - keep them within the one thread, please spare the rest of the internet.
This post wraps up my thoughts. While it's sad to see plasma go, it's also an imperfect technology. Having to sweat over IR is no fun, especially for gamers. I'm a Panasonic 2013 plasma owner so not trying to perpetuate the IR boogieman. IR is as much a concern for OLED as it is plasma plus OLED suffers from worse issues such as inconsistent sub-pixel aging.
LCD/LED is a horrible technology. It's good for computer monitors where the entire display should be lit uniformly and that's about it. Having to come up with hacks such as local dimming to compensate for not having self-illuminated pixels is lame. You're right about most advancements in LCD technology being band aids, that's what they are.
BruceLeeRoy
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If you don't have a problem with resolution then fine bail out of the thread but it's a ridiculous notion that it isn't a big deal. Most of you are used to gaming on your PS3 and 360 where the IQ was almost always sacrificed for in order to achieve great effects so your carrying this conditioned POV into next gen which is ridiculous. We finally have consoles capable of achieving fantastic clarity with all the fx. Anyone that says otherwise isn't playing KZSF or NBA2K or Resogun. You can have it all people! One console right now is delivering it all and at a cheaper cost. THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
Crimson_Fate
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Kind of funny how most people buy 1080P TV's over their cheaper 720P counterparts but somehow resolution ceases to matter when their console is incapable of taking advantage of it.
We're talking about the SAME games here. Why do people constantly miss this point?
Intuitive with mandatory Kinect? That has to be tongue n cheek right? They had to release a gigantic list of commands it could interpret. How exactly is that intuitive?
This isn't an either-or proposition, this is simply pointing out that it does matter, and when talking about this specific subject, your other points just prove to be irrelevant.
deputyspade
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hehe! my condolences
....and when the games are equal in quality the 1080P 60FPS game wins quite handily. For example, FPS games with upscaled jaggies causing a mess when looking for people in foliage or city environments makes the resolution matter.
I am jealous though, since buying a 720P TV/monitor, as I assume people that don't care about resolution have done, must be much, much cheaper.
Rewind the clock 8 years ago,... guess what? "We finally had consoles which were capable of achieving fantastic clarity with all the fx"
8 years later, all we remember those 2 consoles for, was whatever amazing games were specific to the platforms. This has occurred before, it fizzled into nothing, it will again this time, we're just trying to speed up the process.
deputyspade
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Yes, that is quite interesting indeed!
Arguing from history is not relevant.
Why is that so bad?
Omotesando
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People are stupid.
Yea stupid people, I'm talking to you. Some people still watch dvd's while they have 1080p tv and a PS3 in their living room.
phosphor112
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I don't know how you can spin this based on the semantics of an article title. The article mentions specifically that games looked sharper and clearer on the PS4. Those are completely objective with no room for subjectivity. Even IF you wanted to go the "fun" route, you can bring up the fact that it was mentioned that it's much more difficult to shoot people in an FPS game at long distances because they just look like a blob of pixels. I guess you can argue that the increased artificial difficulty, or frustration of the low resolution may even "reduce fun."
Either way this whole spinning thing is just getting out of hand.
Sure, you might have me on this one. Sorry for posting the video.
Kind of missing my point. The value is in the eye of the beholder. Since this is a video game entusiast forum with a lot of people who value graphics very high I clearly understand how the majority of the members would say that for them the PS4 reigns supreme.
But many value other things. The controller, innovation (very subjective mind you), different aspects of the OS, Kinect etc.
I'm not buying the PS4 or the Xbox One right now because at the time neither seems to be worth 399 or 499 for me right now. But I can clearly understand people who are paying 399 or 499 for their consoles based on other stuff than the graphics.
This is inevitable. It will go on until everyone is used to the difference. I mean i know the whole "it's gaming it's fun it's all love" thing, but let's face it this is a pretty solid economic war here and it has ALWAYS been like that between consoles. So much pressure, so much anticipation after a 7 years generation. And we're there, and the difference is more massive than everyone was imagining. Of course it's in the interest of some to pretend we should just not care about those differences, but Microsoft has to deal with its choices to.. And those are expensive consoles. It's normal people want to know what they have for their money.
But anyway it seems the resolution chats happen in "hardware" discussion thread it seems, like this one, or the ign colofgate one, so it doesn't stop people from discussing the games in other threads.
BruceLeeRoy
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It's not bad it's just odd. I don't make it a practice to engage in conversations that I feel don't apply to me or contain none of my interests.
Because we have never had 2 consoles so close in terms of what they are offering a consumer before but with large differences in visuals. Neither ever hit 1080p with any large title so your talking about the difference between COD running at 880x720 on PS3 and 900x720 on 360 it wasn't that big a deal even though I still always noticed the 360 looking better. Visual disparity mattered last gen and was reflected in sales of a 3rd party title on both platforms only now were dealing with a larger gulf. History if anything is a precedent that it does matter.
ZealousMonkey
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It's not a blessing.
Quite honestly, the only people that downplay 1080p and 60FPS are the people that do not have it.
In KZ for instance the 24 player Warzones just get tedious because of how low the FPS goes. Back to 7v7 and it reminds me of my PC in many ways. It really is hard to go back.
I would like to state that yes, resolution does make a difference and does matter. Does it matter enough though, for the average joe gamer, is the question and the answer will be revealed in the coming years.
I have played both systems, seen games like BF4 and COD Ghosts, and they do look crisper on the PS4. I have also played Ryse, which looks better than any other launch title to me.
I have played both systems, seen games like BF4 and COD Ghosts, and they do look crisper on the PS4. I have also played Ryse, which looks better than any other launch title to me.
He meant saving money, not being unable to tell the difference between 480p and 1080p, lol.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Great software at 1080p 60fps > Great software 720p 60fps every day.
I don't believe anyone who says they can't tell the difference. My eye sight is laughably poor and I can tell the difference.
What happens in this hypothetical situation that some people are asking for, where the power spared from going to a lower resolution goes into making the world denser/more detailed impacts the gameplay due to the lower resolution? Spotting enemies from a distance would get ridiculously hard without definition, "is that a guy? no it's a tree, fuck it is a guy" *dead*
If gameplay>graphics then shouldn't resolution fall into both graphics and gameplay? Resolution and fps make more difference to gameplay than world detail.
If gameplay>graphics then shouldn't resolution fall into both graphics and gameplay? Resolution and fps make more difference to gameplay than world detail.
ZealousMonkey
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A lot of people tend to downplay resolutions on glance as simply more crisp and what not. Some of my sports gamer buds do this. When you start gaming on a large screen though these differences soon become massive when you see the game on a daily basis or whatever. 720p vs 1080p is a massive difference able to be seen by just about anyone with eyes. The COD comparison pics are justified here. You can't see shit in the background at 720p. It is basically a bunch of blobs.
Because they're being hypocrites. "I don't care the slightest about this... but I'm going to comment anyway to show how much I don't care!".
I look forward to your follow up question of why hypocrites are so bad.
I'm with you on that. But I think I get why the xbox guys can't seem to tell or care right now. I think in a few years for the xbox guys, especially with the push VR will give towards higher frame rates being standard, its going to become unbearable unless you some how hide all exposure to every other platform
Depends on the game. Even in a shooter, which you base your example on, increase resolution can let you see better at distance, but increased detail, such as more foliage, can improve gameplay by allowing camouflage, hiding and so forth. So both can improve or detract from gameplay.
Man, can't imagine a more heinous gaming world than what some are espousing... don't compare! everyone buy everything! focus on each console's positives only! give them all equal time! just have good times and think happy thoughts! That isn't reality dudes. And unless you're tryin to sell me an Ouya, I don't know why you'd hold any of these pinions.
BruceLeeRoy
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KZ SF is the best indicator have you played that? It is bonkers. Having played through both the PQ edges KZ past Ryse for me
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