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Kotaku: Why PS4's higher resolution than Xbox One matters
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Facism
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of course they didn't. They wanted to string along the hopeful for as long as it took for them to buy their console.
I've been surprised how much the 'hardcore' base pushes perception, especially with how easy it is to share your views (twitter & facebook etc).
Also when people are buying a $500-600 piece of hardware they will do research and compare. Or at least do a google search and if they find the cheaper option will look better on their expensive full hd tv it will effect their choice.
Winterfang
Banned
Of course it matter, one game will look sharper than the other. What I don't understand is why 1080P is exclusive to Sony consoles on this new third party titles. Then again Microsoft itself didn't make themselves a great point by making their first party games also 1080P.
binarymelon
Member
They're losing money on each console. How is that not subsidised?
maverick40
Junior Member
Ice cold but very true
PS2 was already frames per second.
They've been rather quiet lately. I guess they're busy counting miles driven and zombies killed.
Sword Of Doom
Member
It's $400. How is it disappointing? You want something more powerful then spend $2000 on a PC
mitchman
Gold Member
True. When I got my Panasonic plasma, I lost interest in buying new TVs, something I've done every 2nd year for some time (Rear-projection, LCD, then the plasma). The problem is that the general public are wooed by the over saturated demo pictures in stores, and the plasma sales have been declining steadily for years, to the point where there wasn't enough sales to re-coup the resource cost. This is in a market that is already seeing some serious price pressure and where most manufacturers are losing money.
It's being abandoned? I thought the major problem was finding cheap enough manufacturing solutions due to the high error rates for the panels. At least we're at a point where you can buy a 55"+ OLED TV, although at a premium price. I would love to have a OLED TV, but with the current prices, I'm looking at some 4k TV to replace the panasonic some time next year. AFAIK, Panasonic moved their plasma people over on OLED R&D.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I agree with the article, for the cheaper console you are getting better performance.
What is irking me is to read people on this forum who spent a lot of money on inferior multiplatform performance last generation are now going on and on about it.
What is irking me is to read people on this forum who spent a lot of money on inferior multiplatform performance last generation are now going on and on about it.
The power difference the extra resolution requires is what matters, not the resolution itself. I think it's a shame devs have chosen to put the extra power in PS4 into resolution to be honest. I guess it's just the easiest thing to do.
If, for instance, they gave us 720p AC4 with no loading between sea and land, I'd be much happier than I am with native 1080p.
If, for instance, they gave us 720p AC4 with no loading between sea and land, I'd be much happier than I am with native 1080p.
Better staying quiet and counting those stats than doing things like deflecting questions about the resolution of ghosts with his You dont need to know explanation.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Well I would class myself as hardcore (maybe not as much as before) but I can see the difference and don't give a shit.
The Gaming Zen
Banned
I just woke up and I'm in a great mood so I wanted to bring some positivity to this debate. When I sat on my couch a few minutes ago I took a moment before turning on my TV to begin my morning game session to appreciate my brand new Xbox One and PS4, too think how awesome it is to have both of these great new systems. Then I started thinking of their future games and both of them got me excited! PS4 has inFamous Second Son, The Witness, The Order 1886, Deep Down, Uncharted 4, and Rime. While XB1 has Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Spark, Halo 5, and Below. I'm sure I missed some but the point is, is that I never once thought about resolution. Just about how exciting it is to be here for this new generation! So while it resolution may matter to a lot of us, I think we can all agree that both of these systems are offering some pretty exciting games to look forward to!
Infinite_Daremo
Member
Im getting a PS4 and own a 720p TV. Fuck ya'll!
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
1/10
Great points! Thanks for reminding me we got a whole new gen of great games and fun experiences to look forward to.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
I bought both as well. I feel the same way. When I am playing an Xbox game and enjoying all this fanboy shit here is so insignificant. Wished there was a forumn here for those who can prove they own both consoles and want to discuss games only.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
The Resolutiongate keeps on giving lol.
How is this even an argument ?
How is this even an argument ?
This has nothing to do with the topic. Resolution matters. Not everyone is getting both systems, and the people that are still need to decide which system to buy multiplats on. Consumers have the right to know which machine delivers better performance.
It's an important discussion, it isn't going away, and singing Kumbaya around the gaming campfire isn't going to change anything.
robertsan21
Member
I was playing on the PS4 yesterday, and had to change the setting on the PS4 from 1080p to 720p cause I was moving the PS4 to a new smaller tv in the main house, and that tv does not support 1080p.
as I changed the setting to 720p on my 50inch tv, I quickly noticed how ugly and out of focus it was compared to 1080p. and I was only watching the PS4 menu.
as I changed the setting to 720p on my 50inch tv, I quickly noticed how ugly and out of focus it was compared to 1080p. and I was only watching the PS4 menu.
because you're paying close to cost prices for aggressively walled in hardware. you pay extra to sony for their online services, you pay extra to sony for every game you purchase, you pay extra to sony for licensed peripherals rather than using whatever device you feel like and you can only install a small white-listed number of applications rather than the tens of thousands available to open platforms.
the good news for you is that you'd only have to spend a quarter of what you thought to beat PS4 performance on open hardware. you must be ecstatic.
Marvel
could never
All I can hope for as a primary Xbox One owner for a little while is this 720p business is rushed launch games shit that will go away when the console is a little more mature and devs have had more time with the tools.
We'll see, I'm not going to holdmy breath for multiplats though.
We'll see, I'm not going to holdmy breath for multiplats though.
But one would still get 1080p version of the game for PS4, if available (over the sub par Xbox One version?).
Leaving aside the console exclusive titles, PS4 resolution does matter.
It all comes down to this (even if you own both the consoles):
?Would one get Xbox One version of any game running at 720p, over a PS4 version running at 1080p
Riky
$MSFT
I've got Battlefield 4 on PS4 and XB1 and play on a Panny plasma 1080p set. If I switch between them then I can see the PS4 version looks sharper, but the difference isn't massive
and not obvious unless you knew about it beforehand.
I presume Ghosts is a lot more obvious because it is 720p to 1080p but I only have PS4 version.
and not obvious unless you knew about it beforehand.
I presume Ghosts is a lot more obvious because it is 720p to 1080p but I only have PS4 version.
ALL that matters with consoles, ALL the ONLY thing is games.
Games, games, games and games.
This has happened before, it will happen again.
I was around for it last time, bitching and whining about resolution, AA, frame rate, HDD-less 360's, BC removal from PS3s, controller layouts.
When it's all said and done, what matters? Games.
I don't remember the PS3 for a tiny miniscule handful of multiplatform games which were slightly worse, I remember it for Uncharted, Heavy Rain, Heavenly Sword, God of War, Pixel Junk Games, Okami HD - I couldn't give 2 fucking shits if it's 540p in GTA4 vs 542P on the 360. Ultimately, I got to play GTA4
Games, games, games.
AC4 is native 1080p on PS4...
plagiarize
Banned
it depends on the game too. Resolution is more important in a game like BF4, where being able to identify targets further in the distance (and separate friend and foe) is a tangible advantage over people that can't. a one on one fighting game? IQ is pure visual frosting.
I don't expect every to care about the difference, myself. As I've said many times, even the Xbox One seems to currently offer a step forwards in resolution over equivalent Xbox 360 titles, even if it's less of one.
It's frustrating when people insist there is no difference, because there is a tangible difference that can improve gameplay in certain games. But I understand that not everyone is going to care about IQ. I wouldn't expect someone like yourself, who I remember stating a preference for artificial sharpening in previous threads, to strongly care about such things, and that's fine.
Differences are usually more apparent in motion when it comes to resolution. Higher fidelity increases immersion.
720p isn't a brick wall between anyone and their enjoyment of a game, but personally I'd like to be able to feed my television it's native display, because my television cost thousands of dollars, and I've spent a good while calibrating it. I'm just tired of being treated like a pixel counting nit picker for wanting next gen games to display on my TV as the large majority of PS4 games (and all my PC games) do.
This is a false equivalency. If I didn't care about games, I wouldn't care about how they look. Some games play better at higher resolutions. All games play better at stable, higher frame rates. You can't stuff a wedge between IQ and gameplay, and claim those of us who care about the former obviously don't care about the latter. No one treats me like some pixel counting snob for wanting to make sure the blu-rays I buy have the best image quality possible. I buy blu-rays because I care about films, not because I care about resolutions instead.
Right and he said that. His point is this isn't resolution-gate. It's underpowered-gate. It's just right now devs are using the extra power to bump resolution.
Fuck positivity my friend. This is a war. You think Charlie and the Marines woke up next to each other and had a cup of joe? No, they woke up and shoved bayonets into each other's throats. This isn't about fond memories at the end of a generation, it's about post traumatic stress disorder and nightmares about jaggies and low resolution motherfucking textures. You love a morning gaming session? I love the smell of napalm in the morning. We want to see the Xbone impaled on a bed of spikes, preferably jaggy spikes caused by powerlines in Forza that lack AA. You want to compare rainbows and unicorns, we want to compare nose hair shaders in YouTube videos during different lighting conditions and under extreme compression. You want to congratulate people for successful launches, we want people burned at the stake and losing the jobs that feed their families. This. Is. Neogaf. Dude.
Rising_Hei
Member
Only that PS4's performance will keep improve every year wherewas a PC with similar specs will only get worse 
Even a PC which is 20-50 % more potent than PS4 will be eventually be dated im comparision
Oh, and that talk about that PS4 games might be 720p in the future is bullshit, PS3's resolution didn't get worse later on.
Even a PC which is 20-50 % more potent than PS4 will be eventually be dated im comparision
Oh, and that talk about that PS4 games might be 720p in the future is bullshit, PS3's resolution didn't get worse later on.
I sit 8' from my 65" plasma. (eyeball to screen surface, not my feet on the floor) I've got 20/20 vision now thanks to my glasses - and yeah sure 1080p is probably crisper.
I'm not even a frame rate whiner, the 60fps kids drive me insane, yet even I would prefer an absoloute, 100% solid 30 at ALL times than 1080p (if I had to choose)
I wouldn't say no to 1080p, I just don't think it's the big thing that is URGENT, there's other more pressing shit for me which I find far far more important. At least you don't come across like one of the pixel nitpickers in your post, some people are "OMG ANYTHING LESS THAN 1080P IS DISGUSTING" sigh.
It takes TWICE the fillrate of 720p. I'd rather 1.5x the world objects and 900p than a bland empty environment and 1080.
Aww fuck man I think you just made me realize I made a mistake. I shoulda got a PC instead damn it.
A lower native res wouldn't lead to better load times.
You're deliberately (?) missing his very straightforward point.
There are other things, more important to him than 1080p gaming, for him - he hates load times, in his hypothetical scenario that's what he'd choose.
I'd choose exceptional audio quality, more map objects / polygons / characters on screen / lighting effects and 900p over less of those and 1080p.
Would I accept a game with an immense amount of world objects, incredible ray trace lighting, amazing sound, 0 load times and 320p? Probably not.
JustinJ004
Banned
Couldn't agree more with anything that's ever been posted, a lot of my faith in the gaming press has been lost. Fanboys on both sides are expected but the pros should be all over this shit.
On the plus side it feels great to finally have a 1080p console under the TV so I don't have to lug the PC about so much.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It is pretty awesome finally seeing console games running at my TV's native resolution, after a generation of mostly 720p. Everything just looks so much cleaner pixel-mapped 1:1 to the display. I really hope 1080p remains the standard on PS4, and that BF4 (which I don't own) is just an unoptimized cross-gen anomaly.
Load times have nothing to do with resolution, those two things depend on entirely different system resources. Resolution is all GPU (ok, also a bit of memory), and lowering it would basically just allow them to perform more shader operations per pixel per frame. Making the world stream in seamlessly is all about reading data from the HDD into RAM, it's not like it takes longer to load something just because the output resolution is higher. They probably could have made the game entirely seamless on the PS4 (and XBO), but the engine is clearly made to allow the game to run on PS360 with their puny amounts of RAM.
But maybe your point was just that you would rather see fancier shading, etc, than higher resolutions. Your example just wasn't very relevant.
Load times have nothing to do with resolution, those two things depend on entirely different system resources. Resolution is all GPU (ok, also a bit of memory), and lowering it would basically just allow them to perform more shader operations per pixel per frame. Making the world stream in seamlessly is all about reading data from the HDD into RAM, it's not like it takes longer to load something just because the output resolution is higher. They probably could have made the game entirely seamless on the PS4 (and XBO), but the engine is clearly made to allow the game to run on PS360 with their puny amounts of RAM.
But maybe your point was just that you would rather see fancier shading, etc, than higher resolutions. Your example just wasn't very relevant.
You forgot Guilty Gear Xrd, but yeah, you're right.
Why do both of you have to take things so literally?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92344489&postcount=408
I don't think anyone is saying "there is absolutely unequivocally no difference between 720p and 1080p" NO ONE is saying that, anyone who IS saying precisely that, is pretty dense.
Saying "I don't see a major difference for me to give a serious fuck" - that's something completely different.
Why mention a lower res then? In a topic about resolution anyway?
I mean he did say "I'd rather have a 720p game with no load times". If your only concern is load times, then you might as well have a 1080p native game too. The two aren't related.
It'd be like saying. "I don't care that much about resolution but I care about environmental issues. I'd rather have a 720p game in a case using less plastic than a 1080p game".
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ryse is pretty. 900p for life, son.
CadetMahoney
Member
stable framerates will always triumph for me over resolution.
JustinJ004
Banned
I guess it's because from personal experience (which is all I can speak from) the difference between 720p and 1080p is pretty fucking big.
Anyone who doesn't care is fine by me. More power to them.
Anyone who states the difference is minor it is either not looking right, can't see properly or possibly even a stubborn asshat that refuses to acknowledge simple, established facts to justify their opinion.
The press have on several occasions stated they can barely see any difference. How much less literally do you want me to take that?
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