Dr. Zoidberg
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Are you sure that's not just the chromatic aberration effect in the game? I don't own it but a quick search reveals some complaints about that game's implementation of the effect.
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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Are you sure that's not just the chromatic aberration effect in the game? I don't own it but a quick search reveals some complaints about that game's implementation of the effect.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Yep. That was totally it. Thanks.
I've found that once I've got all my other settings correct I have no need for DC. I used to use it occasionally but now it doesn't help at all as the picture without it is so good, and with everything balanced right it doesn't look too dim.
Horizon doesn't have a separate HDR brightness setting, just an overall in-game brightness setting doesn't it?
Could you guys please have a look at the following video:
https://youtu.be/XiaopWHNSnQ
I have a weird discolored spot in the upper right and lower left part of the screen. It's only visible from the right side and it looks like there is some image retention going on. I still have warranty (the tv is 5 months old). It's the 60" KS7000 model.
Any ideas what this is? I have this issue regardless of input and frankly it looks like a busted panel. Will Samsung cover this in the warranty?
Edit: the issues aren't visible from the front as you can see. The issues are also not visible during 'normal viewing' from the sides, but are visible for example when you see a bright blue sky. From the front, nothing can be seen.
https://youtu.be/XiaopWHNSnQ
I have a weird discolored spot in the upper right and lower left part of the screen. It's only visible from the right side and it looks like there is some image retention going on. I still have warranty (the tv is 5 months old). It's the 60" KS7000 model.
Any ideas what this is? I have this issue regardless of input and frankly it looks like a busted panel. Will Samsung cover this in the warranty?
Edit: the issues aren't visible from the front as you can see. The issues are also not visible during 'normal viewing' from the sides, but are visible for example when you see a bright blue sky. From the front, nothing can be seen.
So I adjusted my settings and changed them to those settings - everything looks so much better and cleaner and brighter. I'm going to play some Horizon later, but even titles like Hitman look better with HDR enabled on the new settings.
I'm trying these settings right now but wrote down my old ones so I can compare them later. I think my set must have a higher base saturation because if I set the color to 49 everything starts to look unnatural in an almost cartoonish way.
You can always tweak the colour and white space settings. As someone pointed out, each screen is different to every other one, so there are no universal settings as such.
VincentMatts
Member
man all these updates and still, when i close netflix my youtube app is still open (frozen) in the background. Do they implement fixes or what...
Yeah set the colour to what looks right on your screen cos they will differ. Mine looks right at 52.
This 4k HDR calibration vid is useful if you open it up on the TV's youtube app and pause it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtUF7RT3pw
Mine at 52 is at the level where the red, green, and blue blocks all look the same level and don't look over saturated, they just look full. If I keep dropping below 52 the blue goes dull rapidly (as in there's a big drop off in blue just putting it down to 51), shortly followed by the red and green. If I turn it above 52 the 3 colours gradually become oversaturated at about the same rate, so I figure 52 must be the right level for me.
Have you tried resetting the smart hub? That worked for me when I had a similar issue with the Amazon app.
VincentMatts
Member
I didnt wanna have to reset everything...i guess i try that tonight.
You can reset just the smart hub from the settings menu. Might just have to redownload any extra apps and log in to apps again.
VincentMatts
Member
ill try that, thanks
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
There are so many settings and they interplay with each other, not to mention different viewing environments. There's no "one size fits all" solution to TV settings. You can get a good starting point from someone's calibrated settings online but you will always need to make adjustments for your situation. Even if the panel and environment were exactly the same, one man's "cartoonish and unnatural" is another man's "looks good!".
Anyone come across the issue where the WiFi doesn't always properly reconnect after the TV is shut off? Tried assigning manual IP, new DNS, alternate SSID and routers, etc. SmartHub icon says "Connected", but nothing works unless I re-select an SSID and re-enter the password. Router is only a few feet from the TV, so not a connection quality issue. Works great when it's actually connected.
Cheers for mansplaining for me.
Have you tried to fully close the app? It happens to me that youtube or spotify are frozen and the way to fix it is to hold the back button while on the app until it closes, then select it again and it will start normally.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
This is just untrue in every sense.
Most HDR blu rays and netflix and amazon DC is needed or shit has like a gray and dark filter.
HDR Video games though DC is optional but some need it if it darkens too much
SDR content does not need DC but games are optional again
VincentMatts
Member
I normally press 'back' then do exit via the app and it closes. Then ill open netflix watch a movie, close netflix when im done by doing back and exit, and when it closes instead of going to the TV, the youtube will be open but not responsive as if it was never closed even though i did. So i have to select the app to open youtube again then close it and it will go away.
every fucking time
When you press back or turn off the tv, the app remains suspended, so when you "re open" it you can continue where you left it. The only way to close any app is to hold the back button until it closes. That way, when you close netflix it should start on tv or the last source you used.
VincentMatts
Member
Ahhhhhh well thats not clear at all. I thought exit was a full close.
DanWensing
Banned
I don't know how you guys can use the Movie Mode. It makes it look like my old CRT tv. :/
I think you have it set up wrong.
DanWensing
Banned
No, I didn't.
michaelius
Banned
Right now HDR movies across the board also have an issue with being dim, in order to preserve the detail in the brightest of scenes. When dynamic HDR like Dolby Vision and HDR10+ get in use it won't be an issue anymore.
So until then you can use DC like a poor man's DVIt works very well up to medium anyways.
I always assumed that this is by design - normal medium is designed to be watched with lights on while HDR is designed to be watched like in cinema in darkness.
Then you have a faulty panel.
DanWensing
Banned
Well, I think I exaggerated when comparing to CRT.
I think Movie Mode loses too much colors and looks too dark.
vpance
Member
It's only designed to be that way now because all HDR content is made with one static setting for the entire movie, episode, game, or whatever, so they use cinema viewing light levels as a reference, rather than Joe Schmos daytime vivid settings. But even then some HDR content is still made too dimly.
Eventually all content will be HDR including cable TV and we certainly won't be forced to watch in the dark all time. Dynamic HDR will help bring up brightness in "normal" scenes, and TV settings will get smarter at adjusting brightness for people that need it or are watching in the daytime, without killing dark or highlight details.
Actually there are UHD players out that already that have a work around for HDR dimness, so manufactures know about this problem.
Wishmaster92
Member
Good news, i got the hdr isf calibration for the set. B_rad4 over at avs was kind enough to share his settings with me a couple days ago. The main difference between these correct hdr settings vs the modification i was using is color gamut. The hdr mode is displaying in bt 2020 vs rec 709 sdr was probably calibrated for, the colors certainly look more vivid in hdr now. Here are the settings:
Now he did mention that the hdr calibration isn't perfectly dialed in as the sdr settings but that is understandable considering hdr calibration is still in its infancy and a major pain. The hdr looks absolutely amazing now with the correct color saturation. Recently i have been using movie mode for both sdr/hdr gaming, i don't really notice the input lag that much and it allows me to enable blur reduction to reduce the motion blur in scenes.
Here are my hdr settings using the above as the base for color and white balance:
SDR:
Video 1
Video 2 Death Stranding 4k teaser (loaded with micro detail).
HDR:
Video
I might post my modified movie sdr settings later today.
Hey what a cool coincidence you are also on neogaf. Thanks for the settings again, they look spectacular!
Now he did mention that the hdr calibration isn't perfectly dialed in as the sdr settings but that is understandable considering hdr calibration is still in its infancy and a major pain. The hdr looks absolutely amazing now with the correct color saturation. Recently i have been using movie mode for both sdr/hdr gaming, i don't really notice the input lag that much and it allows me to enable blur reduction to reduce the motion blur in scenes.
Here are my hdr settings using the above as the base for color and white balance:
The modification made the blacks look better on my set, also the overall picture looks brighter now which really helps movie mode not look as dim. If you want some reference material to test the new settings here are a couple of examples:
SDR:
Video 1
Video 2 Death Stranding 4k teaser (loaded with micro detail).
HDR:
Video
I might post my modified movie sdr settings later today.
That would be me over at AVS
Glad they are working out well for you.
Hey what a cool coincidence you are also on neogaf. Thanks for the settings again, they look spectacular!
I hadn't heard of this before. It could be that, but the confusing thing is that I've never seen it before in that context, or at least noticed it.
Maybe they're related somehow; the short sharp separation of colours from the TV and the persistent probelsm generated by the game.
DanWensing
Banned
I found out why I didn't like in Movie Mode. It was the sharpness. I added a bit and is much better.
What colour temperature are you supposed to use with these settings? I'm used to playing on Warm 2, but I don't know if there's any point in that with all these tweaks.
Wishmaster92
Member
Without detailed calibrations warm 2 can be anything like 5800k, 6000k...etc, it's supposed to get close to the industry standard D6500k but if you don't do fine grain calibrations to the white balance it won't be a flat 6500k. For example my gt50 plasma was calibrated years ago and it even has a 2 point white balance, this tv has a 2 point and 10 point white balance control with individual color dialing.
I have both side by side and the difference is immediately noticeable. The ks8000 absolutely dominates my plasma all while no dithering, flickering and having amazing colors. Maybe the black level is a little worse but it's a worthy tradeoff considering how bright this set can get.
EDIT - ignore this. Sorry, I had a brain fart and missed the warm 2 recommendation in your second list of calibrations.
Thanks for the reply.
Well, now I'm really confused...
I've been using HDMI Black Level on Normal for almost two months, played inFAMOUS Second Son with HDR activated and seemed fine, all was ok... until I tried Uncharted 4.
When HDR is enabled, Uncharted 4, looks way too dim. Even with the settings posted a few pages ago. The only way to feel comfortable with the game is switching to "Auto" or "Low"the HDMI Black Level, and I don't know if that's the right thing to do.
What level of HDMI Black do you usually use, pals? I'm also thinking in buying a new HDMI cable... :\
I've been using HDMI Black Level on Normal for almost two months, played inFAMOUS Second Son with HDR activated and seemed fine, all was ok... until I tried Uncharted 4.
When HDR is enabled, Uncharted 4, looks way too dim. Even with the settings posted a few pages ago. The only way to feel comfortable with the game is switching to "Auto" or "Low"the HDMI Black Level, and I don't know if that's the right thing to do.
What level of HDMI Black do you usually use, pals? I'm also thinking in buying a new HDMI cable... :\
Had my ks8000 for 3 months now and one morning i wake up to a bunch of small brownish looking bubble stains on the screen. So i unplugged and gently wiped down screen with lightly damped cloths. A week later it shows up again but fewer than usual. My room is pretty clean so i cant figure where these air bubble stains are coming from. Anyone with such issues?
The HDMI Black level should be greyed out when HDR is running as it's not applicable.
For non-HDR the PS4 RGB level should tie in with the TV's HDMI Black Level. So is the PS4's RBG is on full, the TV needs to be set to Normal, if the PS4 RBL is set to limited the HDMI black level whould be set to low. There's not much difference which of the two combinations you use, but I still with FULL/NORMAL.
Like I was saying a few posts back, games seem to approach HDR in different ways. For games that dim the screen when HDR is activated, try setting Dynamic Contrast to Low or Medium and see if this gives you the result you are looking for.
Does the screen go black for a second then pop up with a message saying "A HDR Video Is Playing" when you load up a HDR game? It should on this TV.
Also check the video output information section in the PS4 settings whilst a HDR game is playing, it should tell you there that it has HDR running.
Did you switch UHD Colour on for the HDMI port in the expert video settings on the TV?
Yes, the message pop ups and when I press the "i" button on the remote the HDR info is listed... I also switched de UHD Colour... But I'm still able to change tha HDMI black level.
Strange, isn't it?
Are you in PC Mode?
Nope, Game Mode :\
Confused. Is it the original PS4 or the Pro? Does the PS4 say it's outputting HDR and does it say YUV or RGB on the video output info?
It's the original PS4, not Pro.
The PS4 is saying RGB(HDR) and HDR compatible.
I have the TV running the 1165 firmware.
Ahh okay, must work a bit different on the original PS4. On the Pro it only outputs HDR in YUV, so that's why it doesn't give the option of the HDMI Black Level.
I'm guessing the original must only output at 8-bit if it's in RGB as it wouldn't have enough bandwidth to do 10-bit. Might need someone else to weigh in on that though.
Are there any YUV options under resolution on the original PS4?
Only the usual: 480p, 720p, 1080i/p. No sign of YUV options :\
Let's see if somebody can confirm what kind of HDR does the original PS4 displays.