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[Campster]

But is this really the case of corporate greed and agrogance or a struggling corporation that realizes they have to cut losses as much as possible? I'm sure they'd love to price it at even $399 but I believe that they just can't afford to do that.

Then they shouldn't have designed a system that does everything short of making you your morning coffee.

 

[gamergirly]

Thank you. People defending Sony's pricing need to read what you posted. Sony might've gotten away with it last gen, when they were the ones with a 12 month head-start. But 360 is going to have a wave of second generation games out, with a price $200 lower, or lower than that with a pricecut. Nintendo has said the Wii will be under $300, so even at $250 it is half the price of Sony's tard pack, and they're going to have Mario + Zelda and who knows what else.

Of course Sony will sell out the first few initial shipments. Supply is going to be low, and there are plenty of Sony fanatics who will pay whatever it takes. But can they keep it up for eight, ten, twelve months at this price, given the competition that is out there? I don't think so.

Nintendo is going to market the hell out of Mario & Zelda. And let's face it, Zelda is a system seller. It's well known and people dig it. And Mario is the most widely known videogame character globally. As for PS3? Yes, it has some great games(a few that is), but the price is the killer.

You cant seriously sit here and think that nobody is going to consider a PS3 BEFORE Wii and 360. There are alot of PS2 buyers out there(like me). But that price is going to turn them to another console. If enough people get content with alternatives, PS3 is going to end up the "alternative" in the end.

 

[cheekymunky]

Thank you. People defending Sony's pricing need to read what you posted. Sony might've gotten away with this move last gen, when they were the ones with a 12 month head-start. But 360 is going to have a wave of second generation games out, with a price $200 lower, or lower than that with a pricecut. Nintendo has said the Wii will be under $300, so even at $250 it is half the price of Sony's tard pack, and they're going to have Mario + Zelda and who knows what else.

Of course Sony will sell out the first few initial shipments. Supply is going to be low, and there are plenty of Sony fanatics who will pay whatever it takes. But can they keep it up for eight, ten, twelve months at this price, given the competition that is out there? I don't think so.

That is a very valid point. I will buy a PS3 at launch....and so will will alot of other people on this board. But Sony is in trouble when it comes to competing with the price and games of 360 and Wii...for the general gaming public. I love the feature set of the PS3...but I have serious doubts that the general puclic will.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

that will of course not change the fact that this holiday season the PS3 wont be found under christmas trees of poor families, but under those of wealthy 'I dont care about the price' gaming and movie freaks. the only question might be if there are enough of them to sell some 6 million units.

:lol

It'll just be more than "poor families" that reject the PS3's intial price. What a black and white world view. Maybe there are people out there that are a bit more responsible with their money, ya know, not rich but not poor either?

 

[Lord Helmet]

I feel an urge to shit on this mans face.

 

[Sabaku Ika]

It is cheap considering what's in it and overpriced considering what really should be in it.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

But is this really the case of corporate greed and agrogance or a struggling corporation that realizes they have to cut losses as much as possible? I'm sure they'd love to price it at even $399 but I believe that they just can't afford to do that.

Perhaps they've gone overboard on their feature set then. Who knows. Not my problem. People don't give a shit either. They spend their money where they think they get the most bang for their buck usually.

 

[Drek]

I wonder how Kojima feels about the price.

Didn't he use roughly the same analogy as Kutaragi (fine resteraunt dining) like a year ago? I have the feeling he's known for quite some time what the price was going to be like.

 

[GashPrex]

Shipping costs are very important to factor in too

using a recent thread , 360 shipping costs $70
prorating that to a heavier ps3 - $100

OMG $700++

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Then they shouldn't have designed a system that does everything short of making you your morning coffee.

But then how would they make us buy Blu Ray?

 

[robot]

^ :lol GashPrex beat me.

 

[quetz67]

and all the while the lexus keeps outselling the mercedes because it's cheaper and there are more people who can afford it... then mercedes says, ok it's time for us to lower our price, but by then the lexus costs about as much as a honda, and everybody says "Uhh..we already have a lexus.."

and that's how 360 wins. Sony has to compete, they don't exist in a vaccum. their US competitor already has a few AAA games and their japanese competitor just mauled them in a handheld war and are preparing to do the same on the console front with the same strategy.

yeah, and the xbox with all its power at the same pricepoint as the PS2 was expected to do the same. dont underestimate the power of brand.

I give you that xbox 360 will sell better now that the PS3 price is known (and if MS is able to deliver) but the war isnt over. Either the PS3 will sell or the PS3 price will drop, but Sony sure just hands it over to MS

 

[Musashi Wins!]

:lol

It'll just be more than "poor families" that reject the PS3's intial price. What a black and white world view. Maybe there are people out there that are a bit more responsible with their money, ya know, not rich but not poor either?

There's plenty of us fools on here who have disposable gaming income. That's a large part of being a niche hobbyist. The question about the PS3 isn't having the money, it's being stupid enough to buy this huge ass brick at anywhere near this price.

 

[llTll]

Look, I know you're trying real hard and all, but you're just not very intelligent.

Folks like you are the reason we are getting damn expensive consoles and games, because you just convince yourself its good value. Value is not the reason people are pissed, they don't want to spend $600 on a bloody gaming machine.

with all respect to you ofcourse, let me say this.


i know what you are saying. 600$ is too much. when i heard of the price i was swearing at Sony and i was pissed.

but honestly. for what i am getting [ again, not just video game console ] is good deal for me.


i am as person was planing to buy next gen media player whatever its hd dvd or blue ray. so to get a combo with playstation 3 isnt that bad idea for me.


i understand where you coming from. 600$ is too much for video game console only.

but i dont see the playstation 3 as video game console only.

 

[aoi tsuki]

i forsee a lot of people trying to get a free a PS3.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

It is cheap considering what's in it and overpriced considering what really should be in it.

I didn't think this whole thing could be summed up in one sentence, but you got it. Amen.

 

[Phoenix]

All SOny executives just need to not say anything else about the price so people can forget what it is. If not that, at least stop insulting people - telling them they are getting a bargain deal on a CONSOLE. They are getting a bargain deal on a BRD/CONSOLE pair.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

yeah, and the xbox with all its power at the same pricepoint as the PS2 was expected to do the same. dont underestimate the power of brand.

Brand only goes so far. Seriously.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

yeah, and the xbox with all its power at the same pricepoint as the PS2 was expected to do the same. dont underestimate the power of brand.

Power of brand means fucking diddly squat. Believe it. Remember PSX and Nintendo 64? Yeah, power of brand my ass is what I say.

 

[llTll]

... "at least" 400 for 360? It's "at least" $300, which is perfectly appropriate for a console. I'd expect the Premium pack to be $350 or so this Xmas, and if it's not I'll just wait a year. I'll be waiting 3 years for Sony to hit that price level.

I find it funny that you used 360's most expensive price, but PS3's least expensive price, to talk about how much money I'd be spending at minimum. I wonder what that says about you?


Edit: btw, I've been ripping on 360 for a while now. It's not like 360 is my dream console.

no. 360 doesnt cost 300$. you have to buy memory card at least.

and its 40$ i think. and on top of that. you wont be able to download the updates on your 360.

so no. 360 isnt 300$ console. even 340$ does have a big question mark beside it if its good deal or not

 

[travisbickle]

If you just want a game machine, buy they tard pack. Or, dont buy a PS3 at all. The rest of us will be playing the hell out of some next gen glory on PS3 come November.

I agree with this. Sony has made a machine using a new cpu and a new disk media, that is the decision they've made to power their next gen console. There's no ifs and buts about them using a DVD drive or a more conventional CPU, Sony has made the machine with the components that are in it.

If you don't want to watch bluray, or have a big harddrive, or have wireless internet, or use SD cards (or a silver trim) buy the cheaper one, notice these don't have an effect on playing games (except I'm not sure about HDMI, hopefully not) but don't bloody complain when a hardware manufacturer has made a decision on what hardware it feels is necessary for their console.

The games you've seen are made for the PS3 using it's spec, and with that spec comes a high price, don't like the look of the games, don't buy the system, don't like the price of either SKU, don't buy the system but you can't change the price without changing the system and inturn changing the quality of the games.

 

[JayDubya]

But is this really the case of corporate greed and agrogance or a struggling corporation that realizes they have to cut losses as much as possible? I'm sure they'd love to price it at even $399 but I believe that they just can't afford to do that.

"... a struggling corporation ..."

I'm sorry, but there is no way you can say either SONY or MICROSOFT are poor, struggling corporations concerned with bankruptcy or even going in the red in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

You can't trump up sympathy for the corporation that just gave a middle finger to the majority of it's customers by trying to screw them out of more cash to save costs... the games sell the console and make the money, it's the simple razor blade theory, and they lose money on the console. That's the name of the game - it was very profitable for them on PS1, it was very profitable for them on PS2, and now they think they're rock stars and they've bought their own hype.

If the American consumer in general has any sense whatsoever, cause: pride, effect : fall.

 

[Funky Papa]

I just want to say that this thread is mythical.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

with all respect to you ofcourse, let me say this.


i know what you are saying. 600$ is too much. when i heard of the price i was swearing at Sony and i was pissed.

but honestly. for what i am getting [ again, not just video game console ] is good deal for me.


i am as person was planing to buy next gen media player whatever its hd dvd or blue ray. so to get a combo with playstation 3 isnt that bad idea for me.


i understand where you coming from. 600$ is too much for video game console only.

but i dont see the playstation 3 as video game console only.

I love how people will bitch and crow about Nintendo ignoring the gamers to chase nongamers, but we're supposed to bend over and take it when Sony ignores us to push its fucking BR standard.

I'm not saying you're doing that, but this post just shows how Sony has truly broken from their mainstream audience, waay more than Nintendo has.

 

[gamergirly]

yeah, and the xbox with all its power at the same pricepoint as the PS2 was expected to do the same. dont underestimate the power of brand.

I give you that xbox 360 will sell better now that the PS3 price is known (and if MS is able to deliver) but the war isnt over. Either the PS3 will sell or the PS3 price will drop, but Sony sure just hands it over to MS

$300 is a monumental difference than $500($600 if you're not an idiot....well /comment/). $300 is AFFORDABLE. It's also common to people who've bought a new game system for the last 12 years. $500 is when the ball starts beating. Let's face it, how many people have even bought a TV for that kind of price? Who's going to look at PS3 and think they should buy it when they have an old, outdated TV to play it on?

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

I feel an urge to shit on this mans face.

QFT. I was going to say the exact same thing.

Considering how big the console is in size & weight it's going to be a bitch to ship overseas especially to the UK. UK am cry with additional £50 on top of the price, no doubt.

 

[Skilotonn]

going by your say, MS is giving you a choice and sony isnt?


MS isnt giving you choice here. they are forcing you to buy addons. not choices. wifi is an addon.
hddvd is an addon.

true you dont have to buy both of them. but you also dont have to buy the 600$ console. 500$ would be fine for you if you dont want wifi.

Please.

Stop.

Now.

No choice? Comprehension isn't one of your strong points I take it...

Although I have wireless and a very fast connection (20 MB), I refrain from using it - I like using cables... I also don't watch DVDs/movies at home, so I would have no use for HD-DVD...

Now, in the near future, for whatever reason, if I DO decide to get either one of these, I can simply go to the nearest gaming store and hook it up to my existing 360... I didn't want these things before, and didn't have to get them... if I want to, I can get them later on...

That is called choice.

Now, if I had to buy the "cheaper" PS3 (hypothetically speaking, I'm not buying it ever) without planning for the future, I would literally be fucked if I decided sometime in the future that I was going to get a 1080p HDTV, or make my whole network wireless, because, there is no choice for me but to spend an additional 600 freaking euros for the "true" PS3...

That is called not having choice.

The core 360 actually gives you the option to upgrade fully - there is literally no difference... the "cheap" PS3 is the f'ing crippled and disabled little brother of the "true" PS3 - there is no way to make the crippled version "okay"...

Now, if you didn't get that, may God help you in life, because you'll need it...

 

[Kolgar]

Power of brand means fucking diddly squat. Believe it. Remember PSX and Nintendo 64? Yeah, power of brand my ass is what I say.

"PlayStation" might have been unknown, but it was backed by "Sony" so that made it OK.

That said, I still see this price point as Sony driving its loyal followers into the waiting arms of Microsoft and Nintendo.

 

[Eel O'Brian]

Well if the PS3 is too expensive for the majority of GAF, you boys have several options

Get a Wii
Get a 360 without HD or memory cards - start over every time you play
Get one or both of the handhelds

Everything else is outside your budget apparently

Or, for the price of the gimped PS3:

Get a 360, an extra wireless controller, and a game
Get a 360 and two games
Get a 360, a subscription to Xbox Live gold, and a game
Get a 360, a subscription to Xbox Live gold, and an extra wireless controller
Get a 360, a game, and enough Marketplace points for a year or more
Get a Wii and (I'd guess) about 5 games

Or, for the price of the actual PS3:

Get a 360, an extra wireless controller, and 3 games
Get a 360 and four games
Get a 360, a subscription to Xbox Live gold, an extra wireless controller, and 2 games
Get a 360, a subscription to Xbox Live gold, 2 extra wireless controllers, and a game
Get a 360, a game, an extra wireless controller, a subscription to Xbox Live Gold, a play and charge kit, an extra battery pack, and a 1600 point Marketplace card
Get a Wii and (I'd guess) about 7 games

etc...

Wow, it's really easy to play this game you've invented!

 

[AzureRonin]

I'm sorry but complaining about the 360 add-ons is retarded when the PSiii dumb-pack isn't even upgradeable!

 

[AdmiralViscen]

no. 360 doesnt cost 300$. you have to buy memory card at least.

and its 40$ i think. and on top of that. you wont be able to download the updates on your 360.

so no. 360 isnt 300$ console. even 340$ does have a big question mark beside it if its good deal or not

PS3 as a whole has a big fucking question mark beside it about its value for a gamer, so let's not get into that. And I'd say the PS3 tard pack is way more retarded than 360's. You sacrifice way more in Sony's SKU setup.

The fucking fact is I can get a 360 in my living room for almost half the price of a PS3, if I just want to sit down and play Madden.

 

[Eel O'Brian]

that will of course not change the fact that this holiday season the PS3 wont be found under christmas trees of poor families

It won't be found under there for several christmases, I'm guessing.

 

[Zaptruder]

Um, the Sonybots aren't altering their opinions. They're still pushing the "flawless Sony" angle. The inconsistency comes when they call the same "facts" bullshit 4 months ago that they are now using as counterpoints in debate.

Unless I'm misreading your post, and you were in fact labeling the Sonybots as fundamentalists.

Ok I flubbed that one.

Ignoring facts to keep the opinion is what a fundamentalist does.

accepting changes to keep the attitude is just normal.

 

[MrSardonic]

Sony have fucked me off what that price point. Now I want MS to have a great conference with some great titles. Sony need to be kicked in the balls for their arrogance.

And this is becoming a legendary thread.

 

[krypt0nian]

This is what happens when a company gets too big for it's britches. It's happened time and again in many different sectors. They think they are all that, that everyone is just going to follow them no matter what they do. They are going to be in for a big surprise I believe.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Shipping costs are very important to factor in too

using a recent thread , 360 shipping costs $70
prorating that to a heavier ps3 - $100

OMG $700++

Go Amazon Prime!

 

[8bit]

 

[AdmiralViscen]

$300 is a monumental difference than $500($600 if you're not an idiot....well /comment/). $300 is AFFORDABLE. It's also common to people who've bought a new game system for the last 12 years. $500 is when the ball starts beating. Let's face it, how many people have even bought a TV for that kind of price? Who's going to look at PS3 and think they should buy it when they have an old, outdated TV to play it on?

Please.

Stop.

Now.

No choice? Comprehension isn't one of your strong points I take it...

Although I have wireless and a very fast connection (20 MB), I refrain from using it - I like using cables... I also don't watch DVDs/movies at home, so I would have no use for HD-DVD...

Now, in the near future, for whatever reason, if I DO decide to get either one of these, I can simply go to the nearest gaming store and hook it up to my existing 360... I didn't want these things before, and didn't have to get them... if I want to, I can get them later on...

That is called choice.

Now, if I had to buy the "cheaper" PS3 (hypothetically speaking, I'm not buying it ever) without planning for the future, I would literally be fucked if I decided sometime in the future that I was going to get a 1080p HDTV, or make my whole network wireless, because, there is no choice for me but to spend an additional 600 freaking euros for the "true" PS3...

That is called not having choice.

The core 360 actually gives you the option to upgrade fully - there is literally no difference... the "cheap" PS3 is the f'ing crippled and disabled little brother of the "true" PS3 - there is no way to make the crippled version "okay"...

Now, if you didn't get that, may God help you in life, because you'll need it...

These are the things I am trying to say.

Although it should be noted that MS isn't trying to give us a choice, they were trying to hose us. It just turns out that it comes closer to free choice than Sony's hosing.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[cheekymunky]

the "cheap" PS3 is the f'ing crippled and disabled little brother of the "true" PS3 - there is no way to make the crippled version "okay"...

I really hope, for the Sony brand name's sake, that you are wrong about this...but I have a sinking feeling about it. The difference between the core and premium 360 and the full and tard PS3 are huge IMO.

 

[McValdemar]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html

There are no words....

He can't be serious.

 

[Deg]

The tard Ps3 isnt crippled in game functionality like Xbox 360 however. Its perfectly acceptable for what it is. Game wise you arent affected.

Power of brand means fucking diddly squat. Believe it. Remember PSX and Nintendo 64? Yeah, power of brand my ass is what I say.

N64 got the whole thing wrong. PS3 isnt getting anything wrong. Its going to be an awesome games console and Blu Ray player. N64 didnt have anything going for it save for maybe 3-4 games.

 

[PolyGone]

I wonder how many virtual console games for the Wii I could buy for $600.

 

[trmas]

Seriously the only affordable console here is the Wii, unless MS drops price (not likely; I'm an investor in MS and they have made it clear this box will MAKE money). I can appreciate that.

I honestly believe MS is going to win the US now, and Nintendo will win in Japan. Sony will be second/third in both territories. I have no idea what will happen in the UK.

 

[Saoh]

How else are you going to watch Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle in High Definition?

do you think we´ll get a free blu-ray copy of HITCH with our PS3?

 

[Zaptruder]

I really hope, for the Sony brand name's sake, that you are wrong about this...but I have a sinking feeling about it. The difference between the core and premium 360 and the full and tard PS3 are huge IMO.

Yeah. It's like the difference between the PS3 tard pack and the X360 proper.

 

[FnordChan]

I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but there is at least one major historical precedent for a popular video game console launching at $600. The Atari 2600 launched in 1977 for $199, which adjusted for inflation is about $650. Obviously the market was very different then, but there it is. I suppose you could equate the two on a "high-end consumer electronics" level.

Also, my guess is that Sony is banking on an increasing number of HD adopters in the near future. Theoretically, said HD adopter decides that their old TV isn't cutting it, walks into Best Buy, scopes out $1,500 sets, and tells the clerk they want to get the best picture quality possible. Said clerk says, "Okay, you can buy an HD-DVD or a Blu-Ray player. They're both about the same, depending on what movies you want for it. However, the PlayStation 3 has Blu-Ray built in. Oh, and you need to buy a nice sound system while you're at it." Said consumer says "fuck it, time to upgrade", drops $2500, and walks out of the store with a HD television, a surround stereo system, and a PS3.

This strikes me as wildly optamistic, but that's my guess behind the thinking. That said:

Best Case Scenario - Credit happy Americans decide en masse to start moving towards HD televisions starting this Christmas season. By 2007 HD TVs are selling briskly at a $1000 price point and the PS3 has a price drop to $500 for the deluxe pack. Blu-Ray overtakes HD-DVD and begins to entrench itself as the HD medium of choice, with an increasing shift away from regular DVD. Ken is pimp smooth.

Worst Case Scenario - Americans look at the looming devaluation of the American dollar and decide they don't need to upgrade just yet. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both sell to a niche market of early adopters and not much beyond that. Video game players opt for the Wii (low-end) or the 360 (high-end) and the PS3 has difficulty ramping up in sales to the point where price drops happen. Ken curses bitterly.

I'm guessing it'll be somewhere in the middle: Thanks to the PS3, Blu-Ray overtakes HD-DVD but it still can't quite hit the level of mass market sautation. Hardcore video game fans decide they need old Snake and pony up for the PS3. HDTV sales increase modestly and a fair number of PS3s are sold along with them, but still not at the levels Sony would like. The deluxe unit hits $500 by Christmas '07 and sells reasonably well. By the end, the US console market is either split roughly 1/3 each among the three players (depending on how well the Wii grabs the public imagination) or is, say, 50% Microsoft, 30% Sony, 20% Nintendo. Note: I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass.

In all of these scenarios, the Japanese shrug their collective shoulders and throw down the extra cash for the PS3 regardless.

FnordChan

 

[OmniGamer]

My thoughts exactly. "You only have to set aside $100 a month from now till launch...work more hours!!!"

I wonder how soon stores will take pre-orders? Would any stores let you add to your pre-order deposit progressively?

 

[MrSardonic]

Anyone know where I can get some of this?

 

[cheekymunky]

Yeah. It's like the difference between the PS3 tard pack and the X360 proper.