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[Bojji]

So PS5 was strong enough to run PS3 emulation? This is kinda embarrassing for Sony.

Not all games would work full speed, especially those SPU heavy.

But MOST games could run 60fps on that CPU, I had 3600 (so very comparable power) few years ago

 

[Shadowstar39]

interesting and very good news, but not really a surprise PS3 can be emulated in a PS5, we have seen it running in steamdeck and people already played in bc250 boards(a cut down recycled ps5 for crypto mining) in fact I think its way more preferable to keep a ps5 original and buy a bc250 as a linux gaming machine(despite some bugs that need to be fixed in some unity games) I have 5 of these boards if you give a decent DIY cooling you have a very capable little machine that is cheaper than a ps5, in a bc 250 you can even play switch emulator and even ps4, so a PS5 with linux can do it even better

How can you case that? It's a server board, do they sell a case that would fit it with psu and cooling or is it all DIY? I want a mini pc for ps1 to ps3 era emulation.

 

[Fess]

Side topic kinda.

I miss old Sony with their openess pre-hacked. PS3 was what the Xbox One wanted to be.

An all in one system at your TV that could dual boot PS OS/Linux. It had a good blu-ray player. It had card slots for viewing pictures on the TV and managing them. It had a web browser where you could download stuff and a built in media player for that too. It could've been your main device for nearly everything. That vision was pretty cool and sadly is gone. I actually used a lot of those features on the PS3 (Although never Linux).

Steam Frame will kinda do that to an extent I suppose. With accessories you can get it nearly there (card readers, bluray players etc). Streaming services will have to get on board though.

I've been with PlayStation since the beginning, and I'll be honest: I still play on my PS3 regularly. In fact, I use it more often than my PS4 these days. My current setup is a cluttered mess of consoles and cables simply because I refuse to let go of my PS3 library.

Seeing the community achieve 4K results through Linux only highlights what we're missing. I would give anything for official support—being able to play these classics on PS5 with native trophy support and my existing save files would be the ultimate quality-of-life improvement.

It's a shame that, while the hardware is clearly more than capable of handling it, we're forced to keep multiple devices hooked up or rely on "DIY" scene solutions to enjoy games we already own. For those of us who value our legacy libraries, a "next-gen" console will always feel somewhat incomplete without true, local hardware BC.

Now we're talking! Why are there so few console fans who understand that this would be great?

That one-device-that-does-it-all thing is really the ultimate box to have under a TV.

Sadly Steam Machine looks like it's going to be too weak. And Xbox Helix may have the power but won't have PlayStation games if Sony pull out from having Steam ports. And regular PCs won't hide the PC side of it all well enough to feel 100% like a console. And even if that would happen they won't have full console emulation up to current gen hardware and not all games get PC ports.

So in the end we're stuck with these closed bubble boxes that we have to stack on each other to not lose access to any game we own.

I still have PS1, DC, Xbox, GC, PS2, PS3, 360, Wii, WiiU, discs on shelves that I literally can't play without pulling out some old box from the attic. And now that I think about it I'm not sure I can even connect them to a modern TV.

I have invested a lot of money to still have access to everything from the early gaming computers Commodore days. I press a button and it's all there. But consoles from roughly 1995 to 2015, that's a problematic era.

Microsoft has talked about 4 generations of backwards compatibility for Xbox games on Helix. Time will tell if that's actually true, I suspect it won't even have a disc drive, might just be about repurchasing select titles.

 

[Badlucktroll]

i bet sony could code a fully optimized ps3 emulator in a week! i bet ps4 could have done it to!

 

[Elginer]

I´ll never understand why companies act like that. PS3 BC at least on certain games it´s something users has been asked for several years. Now community themselves proves PS3 can be emulated on the regular PS5, not even the Pro and at 4K. Stupid Sony, at least release Killzone and Resistance trilogy remastered for PS5, ain´t that hard....But of course they are obssesed with Killzone, TLoU and soon will be with that game of the ARROGANT bald girl boss upcoming.

Ive been asking for this for years. Gimme Infamous one and two while we at it

 

[LordCBH]

I´ll never understand why companies act like that. PS3 BC at least on certain games it´s something users has been asked for several years. Now community themselves proves PS3 can be emulated on the regular PS5, not even the Pro and at 4K. Stupid Sony, at least release Killzone and Resistance trilogy remastered for PS5, ain´t that hard....But of course they are obssesed with Killzone, TLoU and soon will be with that game of the ARROGANT bald girl boss upcoming.

Crappy PlayStation can't even make a lot of their first party ps2 games available on PS5. I think the "why would anyone play this?" attitude towards BC of Jim Ryan is still there.

 

[Fafalada]

dropping PS2 back compat on later PS3 revisions was also a questionable move, because we know that more than 1300 games work without issue on their emulator out of the box

The limitation there was never about compatibility - the moment they decided to put those games on PSN, they were limited by licensing rights. The exact same reason why XB emulator was limited on 360, and so forth.

Obviously - had they actually released BC openly (without requiring those games to be online) that would have led to further improvements in compatibility - but the emulator only gets tested against what they sell online, so there's no reason for them to fix games that will never see the light of day.

 

[saintjules]

Someone explain to me why people go at lengths to change OS like this?

 

[kevboard]

Someone explain to me why people go at lengths to change OS like this?

for most modders it's a hobby to see what can be done.
for others it's just to have a more open system for homebrew.

you already need to have a modded PS5 to do this, so now you have a modded PS5 that can play PS5 games and PC games.

or, PS3 games... speaking of which

 

[kevboard]

i bet sony could code a fully optimized ps3 emulator in a week! i bet ps4 could have done it to!

nah, the PS4 could not do it. the CPU would be far too slow.

emulation already has a CPU overhead, but trying to emulate a 3.2GHz CPU on a 1.6GHz CPU is essentially impossible without doing what Microsoft did to overcome that issue on Xbox One, and recompiling every single game as an x86 app, and having built in hardware compatibility to alleviate some of the emulation overhead you'd have for the GPU tasks.

and the Xbox 360 CPU is comparatively simple. it's just 3 PPEs that all do the same thing.
the PS3 has 1 PPE and 7 SPEs. it's not as simple as mapping each PPE thread to a CPU thread on the Jaguar, like Microsoft could on Xbox One... for one the PS4 doesn't even have enough CPU threads available for games to map 2 PPE and 7 SPE threads to the Jaguar in the first place. so they would need to emulate the SPEs on the GPU probably...

so, it's far more complicated basically.
that's why the PS5's CPU is right on the edge of what is useable for PS3 emulation.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Not all games would work full speed, especially those SPU heavy.

But MOST games could run 60fps on that CPU, I had 3600 (so very comparable power) few years ago

That makes me wonder, what's the heaviest PS3 game to emulate on PC?

 

[Bojji]

That makes me wonder, what's the heaviest PS3 game to emulate on PC?

I can't single out one game but all Sony games were hard to run on emulation (and still require powerful CPUs) - GOW3/A, LoU, U2/3, KZ2/3 etc.

While most of third part games were lighter on the CPU, this tells us what developers actually pushed Cell SPUs.

 

[Aretak]

That makes me wonder, what's the heaviest PS3 game to emulate on PC?

Aside from the big-name exclusives like the Naughty Dog stuff, Red Dead Redemption is really demanding - especially if you want to push it to 60fps. There's no real reason to emulate the PS3 version these days of course though, since it finally got a PC release and even before that the Switch version could be emulated much more easily.

Twisted Metal (2012) is another really demanding one that people might not expect. Developers were really pushing the limits of the PS3 hardware late in its life, even for a "mere" car combat game.

 

[Guilty_AI]

That makes me wonder, what's the heaviest PS3 game to emulate on PC?

From my research, Midnight Club LA and Uncharted 3 can be on the tougher side to run

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Aside from the big-name exclusives like the Naughty Dog stuff, Red Dead Redemption is really demanding - especially if you want to push it to 60fps. There's no real reason to emulate the PS3 version these days of course though, since it finally got a PC release and even before that the Switch version could be emulated much more easily.

Twisted Metal (2012) is another really demanding one that people might not expect. Developers were really pushing the limits of the PS3 hardware late in its life, even for a "mere" car combat game.

From my research, Midnight Club LA and Uncharted 3 can be on the tougher side to run

Now that's very interesting, both the RDR and Midnight Club LA were supposedly the 'lazy dev' games that ran a lot worse on PS3 than 360

 

[kevboard]

Now that's very interesting, both the RDR and Midnight Club LA were supposedly the 'lazy dev' games that ran a lot worse on PS3 than 360

it's almost like the PS3 was just less powerful lol.

I think people didn't accept that and always thought the Cell processor is some magical piece of tech that makes it a super computer

at least by the time GTA5 released they were able to have near parity between the systems. slight advantage for the 360 still, but not by much anymore, like 5% advantage for the 360.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Someone explain to me why people go at lengths to change OS like this?

Check out how far modders have came with the old PS2.

New Plug and Play PS2 Memory Cards are Unbelievable - Macho Nacho Gaming

Aftermarket PS2 memory cards are nothing new, as these multi-use gadgets have been an excellent source of soft modding on the system for years. With the

macho-nacho.com

It's just wild to me because i retired mine about 4 years ago so i haven't kept up with the community.

 

[Moses85]