BertramCooper
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It's good to see her act like a real person for once.Larson Conway said:
Though with her, you never know if it's real or just an act.
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Lady Gaga JUDAS Hype Thread [It'll be better this time, promise!]
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Though with her, you never know if it's real or just an act.
Soulscribe
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Cubsfan23 said:
Lol, number 8 is still pretty great.
Londa said:
I know money sure as hell wouldn't help me with my insecurities. I know I won't be able to change what you think, but I do feel bad for her. Maybe not really bad, but I at least understand/sympathize with her. She genuinely does care about her fans, and maybe she's just trolling with her new music, but it also seems like she genuinely cares about making music that she likes and that she thinks is good.
What I don't really understand is why she pushes herself so far. I get that it's all 'for the fans', I suppose, but I mean, she's been doing the Monster Ball for at least a year straight now, I think. Maybe even a year and a half. I think for anyone that would be just a shit ton of stress.
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I was at the GAGA concert at prudential in newark-- she was telling her fans that she's releasing the video for Judas on May 1.
Kinda bummed that she didnt sing the song live. oh well.
Kinda bummed that she didnt sing the song live. oh well.
DominoKid said:
her video is to make people feel sorry for her because she was bullied as a kid and not feeling worthy of being a star. None of that is anything compared to people struggling to stay alive and thus I don't feel sorry for her because everyone is dealing with emotional problems. She can afford to have her own shrink.
I feel bad for her. You can discard her alleged insecurities and "doing it for the fans" thing, but what is undeniably true is that every passing day she's a bigger target for the media to chew up. It's downright disturbing how these stars are built up to later be ravaged and defiled in every possible public way, should they slip up.Larson Conway said:
Notice also the gender discrepancy: Charlie Sheen can go off the hook and his actions are heralded as glorious, winning, hilarious, etc. Granted, the media is enabling him to continue on this path of destruction, but they're not savagely trying to burn the house down like they so frequently do with the female counterparts (i.e. Britney Spears circa 2008). Refer also to Tiger Woods: a womanizer and cheater, but never a wench, cunt or unnatural. Interestingly enough, the only man I can recall who was unduly ravaged by the press was Michael Jackson, who was not what one would call the prototypical male. So it seems a breakdown is typically categorized in two different ways: the epic and hilarious one by conventional males, and the gross and unnatural one by anyone else.
Finally, if these stars don't end up throwing themselves off a bridge or what have you, the media can set up their triumphant comeback. So inspirational! Too bad some tend to return as a former shell of what they used to be (Britney Spears, again).
Anyway, Gaga has already spoken about this vicious cycle, so it appears she's aware of it and hopefully will never succumb to it. I'm guessing her source of frustration is the lukewarm reception so far of Born This Way. Must sting being fully dedicated to something for so long so it can later be torn apart upon release. Remember that this is a first for her too: The Fame was her breaking through, so resistance was only natural and expected. The Fame Monster was a smaller project so not really comparable to BTW; nevertheless, it was well received. BTW, then, is the first time where she's feeling the heat of not meeting up to general expectations.
PhoenixDark
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Oh please. Gaga makes herself a target for trash publicity disguised as "art." Is she still releasing the Judas video on Easter?
She's basically a pop version of Marilyn Manson. Once the music is no longer interesting she'll be left with a gimmick and nothing else. Even many of her fans aren't impressed with her recent songs. Copying Madonna certainly led to a #1 single, but clearly the song hasn't become the anthem Gaga wanted it to be. I think her popularity has peaked and it's downhill from here.
She's basically a pop version of Marilyn Manson. Once the music is no longer interesting she'll be left with a gimmick and nothing else. Even many of her fans aren't impressed with her recent songs. Copying Madonna certainly led to a #1 single, but clearly the song hasn't become the anthem Gaga wanted it to be. I think her popularity has peaked and it's downhill from here.
Ollie Pooch
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Someone already said she's releasing the vid on May 1st.
I don't see that video as a 'poor me' kind of thing but more just showing the insane pressure on someone like her to live up to crazy standards for their fans (or from herself). Everyone has moments of weakness. Even at the end she's like 'I got shit to do' and laughs at herself.
It's all relative too - you can't go 'Some people struggle to live!' and dismiss real problems of someone who's better off. Money doesn't solve insecurities or problems. Doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for her though. The pressure must be immense, but she's putting herself in that position, so it kind of goes with the territory - I'm sure she's well aware of that.
She would also have known that Born This Way would be completely polarising and has said so in interviews.
I don't see that video as a 'poor me' kind of thing but more just showing the insane pressure on someone like her to live up to crazy standards for their fans (or from herself). Everyone has moments of weakness. Even at the end she's like 'I got shit to do' and laughs at herself.
It's all relative too - you can't go 'Some people struggle to live!' and dismiss real problems of someone who's better off. Money doesn't solve insecurities or problems. Doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for her though. The pressure must be immense, but she's putting herself in that position, so it kind of goes with the territory - I'm sure she's well aware of that.
She would also have known that Born This Way would be completely polarising and has said so in interviews.
lol I wouldn't take her own words for granted. I recall her saying the Born This Way video would be released on a certain week and it ended up releasing the following week.Marius_ said:
In any case, I wouldn't rule out Judas just yet. BTW has been the only single of hers that has immediately shot up to the top. Judas may or may not rebound, and whether it does or not, I doubt the video will be the deciding factor. What could help is promo for the single, of which she has done none outside social networks and the video, but she's tied to the Monster Ball until May.
I'm actually secretly hoping Judas flops so she rush releases Marry The Night. :lol
I'm really wondering why Judas is getting so much backlash. It's definitely better than Born This Way to me and more of a Gaga song but still getting so much hate. I've seen a lot of backlash towards the religion aspects for it and even people who think the song is literally about her loving Judas lol.
I like it, but it's her weakest single for me. I think the problem is that it was set up and modelled to be a Bad Romance v2, but it didn't quite reach those heights.Kusagari said:
She's also still fresh off the backlash that Born This Way received. By the way, yesterday I listened to Express Yourself for the first time since February and couldn't help but lol at what was I (and everyone else) thinking comparing the two. It's the fact that Madonna is specifically the source of comparison that gets me. At this point, Born This Way sounds more like Whitney's I Wanna Dance With Somebody, which, oh, came out before Express Yourself. I guess it's hard to compare a white Italian-American girl with a black diva, for some reason.
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And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
She sounds like a cult leader in that vid, ha.
Is the backlash to her newest songs really so strong that she's freaking out because of it, or is the media just attacking her in general?
Is the backlash to her newest songs really so strong that she's freaking out because of it, or is the media just attacking her in general?
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mattiewheels said:
nah, just the media attacking her. Don't let the comments here lead you on, her new music is perfectly good. I repeat myself for the nth time in saying this but I really do consider these two singles in her top 5 best, and I have to repeat it to offset the heap of ad hominem negativity and pessimistic posts in this thread. Born This Way is on its way to becoming the most successful single in her career, and Judas, while great, simply hasn't gotten any promo for it yet. No video, no performances, no interviews. It's just the fans buying it at the moment so I'll wait for the music video to put it back on the map.
Just because you think it's one of her top 5 best songs doesn't somehow invalidate other's opinions that her new shit isn't even as close to as good as her older stuff, hype or not. Your post actually screams damage control.Soulscribe said:
I think Judas is better than Born this Way, but neither are in the same league as her older stuff. I liked pop-y and safe GaGa better than experimental, shock-value GaGa though.
7echnicolor
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I think it's the fact that she's constantly working- she does shows almost every single day (with little to no breaks), traveling constantly and lack of sleep probably isn't helping either.mattiewheels said:
She needs to rest a bit. I don't think she should have released Born This Way this year really, although I'm looking forward to it- it would have been better for her to stay out of the public eye for a year, and then boom- new single, album, etc etc.
But I don't see her slowing down anytime soon and it's kinda of worrying.
The media isn't attacking her (in a sense that they're attacking herself and not her music). I talked about this in a prior post on this page; I feel bad for her because she appears to be in prime position to be a main target for the media, but they need something substantial to latch on to which she hasn't provided yet (and hopefully never will).mattiewheels said:
I'm going to guess her source of frustration is the lukewarm critical reception her singles have received. If she's as involved in her project as claimed (and I believe she is), and given the lengthy amount of time dedicated to the album, I imagine it should sting looking at one's work getting torn apart after all that time and effort. As I argued, this would be the first time she's going through this as well, so that would add to her frustrations. Like others have argued, however, this is something that every artist aspiring to remain for the long-term will inevitably go through, especially if they plan to forego a safe and predictable career. She'll have to learn to manage the pressure imposed on her by others and herself.
JUDAS is out of the TOP 10 on iTunes. Its #11 now.
Promo or no promo. Its not a very good performance for a new Lady GaGa single thats just one week old. Its also posting rather large decreases on radio even if its rolling effect just started.
But hey at least it aint as bad as Beyonce's new single which just dropped off to #22 on itunes and just a few hours before it was #5 lmfao. That song makes JUDAS look like Bad Romance lol.
Promo or no promo. Its not a very good performance for a new Lady GaGa single thats just one week old. Its also posting rather large decreases on radio even if its rolling effect just started.
But hey at least it aint as bad as Beyonce's new single which just dropped off to #22 on itunes and just a few hours before it was #5 lmfao. That song makes JUDAS look like Bad Romance lol.
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Having a little Schadenfreude, aren't we?inthezone said:
I think this is the fourth time I see you mention the (mediocre) chart performance of the single.mambadragon
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Eh, I'm not a pop music fan at all, but admit I find Lady Gaga interesting after her 60 Minutes piece. Anyway, the first time I heard Born This Way my fiance had the radio on the first day the song came out, and even I recognized it as the Madonna song with the lyric "put your love to the test" (weird how that just that lyric came into my head). I looked it up on Google and saw it was Express Yourself, then at the end of the song the DJ comes on and says how people are comparing it to Madonna. My fiancee was kind of wierded outKoodo said:
The Expanded Edition is available for pre-order on Amazon.
Get hyped.
http://www.amazon.com/Born-This-Expanded-Lady-Gaga/dp/B004K4AUZW/
Get hyped.
http://www.amazon.com/Born-This-Expanded-Lady-Gaga/dp/B004K4AUZW/
Ollie Pooch
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Yeah, elements of the chorus are remarkably similar, and for the first few times I heard it in my head, I was singing the Express Yourself chorus. The rest of the song doesn't sound like it, but I'm surprised she didn't pick up on the similarities when recording it, especially considering the comparisons to Madonna she already gets.videotape said:
Sat down and gave this one an honest listen after being thoroughly unimpressed hearing it on the radio and...I'm still unimpressed. The verses wind up, and then the bland, unexciting chorus just kind of drips out and the tension of the track is lost.
If this is a lead single, I cringe at the thought of what the album filler is going to be like.
If this is a lead single, I cringe at the thought of what the album filler is going to be like.
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BertramCooper said:
Maybe it's just me, but the stuff she's saying in that video doesn't seem very 'real'. Presidents of nations wouldn't feel the kind of burden she purports to be feeling.
Is it in black and white so you can't make out whether she's actually tearing up or in fact digging her nails into her eyes to get some tears out?
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TxdoHawk said:
I dunno, I could be wrong, but the tracks we've heard that aren't singles are pretty awesome sounding too. Which is strange, since I honestly feel that some of the stuff we've heard already sounds a little bit better than the singles.
Government Hooker
Scheibe/Shiza
You & I
and the brief snippet of Marry The Night.
Ollie Pooch
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Do you check this daily or something?Cubsfan23 said:
I like the song but I really don't see it having much staying power.
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It'll probably be back on the top 10 once the music video comes out. Same with Beyonce's song. People like them get a shitload of video views.
Is "I was being bullied as a teenager" the new card to pull when there's too much heat? Considering that she is from a super rich family, lived in one of the best area of the USA; there are tons of pics of her as a teenager hanging out with tons of friends at parties and how theres a few of her old friends from back in the days who confirmed that she was actually pretty popular in HS, lemme lol at this.
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