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Large Youtubers Hide Ownership of CSGO Lottery Site
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Yep he knows he's fucked
Likely. That twitter post with him trying to justify things is also gone too.
aspiegamer
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Any comparison to pachinko, while apt, entirely misses the point that everyone on the fucking planet knows that it's actually gambling. So, I entirely welcome anyone to attempt to justify a pachinko racket being promoted without disclosure by its owners to millions of underage users over the internet while a massive corporate overlord watches in the background and facilitates the transfer of billions of literal actual dollars.
This is partially my fault. I'm sorry. If I knew it'd come to shit like this I would never have played the old online multiplayers. Quake, UT, TF and the like 15+ years ago, none of it. I'm sorry. And not just the gambling and fraud! Whatever this culture of CS news and gossip being an internet news channel is, that textures ever cost money, that tourneys were ever worth enough money to bet/rig/influence, all of it. I'm sorry.
This is partially my fault. I'm sorry. If I knew it'd come to shit like this I would never have played the old online multiplayers. Quake, UT, TF and the like 15+ years ago, none of it. I'm sorry. And not just the gambling and fraud! Whatever this culture of CS news and gossip being an internet news channel is, that textures ever cost money, that tourneys were ever worth enough money to bet/rig/influence, all of it. I'm sorry.
Valve is allowing underage kids to gamble online, they can stop if they want.
CassidyIzABeast
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So is this CS:Go betting like Draftkings and FanDuel without the obnoxious adverts that got lawmakers on their ass?
Right.
People can be as obtuse about this as they like. Valve is using gambling tactics and enabling the behavior. Plenty of companies use microtransactions, plenty are beyond the pale, and Valve is one of them.
Can't wait for the Snake Eater CS:GO skin pachinko.
Really depends on how aggressive the Prosecution against them would want to get. Enabling Underage gambling etc. Florida could theoretically nail him with a 3rd degree felony for each and every person under 21 who used the site.
Florida also has a lot of laws regarding individuals running Lotto's. So lots of interesting stuff
lifeexpectancy
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Says it's not a gambling site.
Names it "lotto".
Dafuq? This asshole.... I mean, ya ALMOST have to give him props for the SHEER FUCKING BALLS he's carrying around every day. Some prison time would do nicely to shrink them to a more manageable size. Little creampuff would get eaten alive in a real prison. If he ever got convicted though, he'd probably do his time in club fed. Shame.
Lord of Ostia
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This is insanely disgusting. Insanely predatory on kids who don't know any better and are easy to take advantage of, they should be ashamed of themselves. I hope this blows up in their faces.
Maybe, except the fine would be HUGE, and that's not even considering asset seizure and BIG trouble with the IRS.
B1gg_Randall
Member
Nah, the FTC/IRS is gonna tear him to shreds on this. I'm betting actual prison time.
Hypereides
Gold Member
The judical system needs to crack down on Valve aswell. They've found a loophole and are using it to the fullest for profit.
Its one thing to charge for microtransactions, its another when you're promoting, and exploiting, an operation which handles nearly identically to a hazard game. With similiar aftermath and outcome to regular gambling.
aspiegamer
Member
Like with most other things that annoy lawmakers in the US, once their person money gets into the mix they'll miraculously start caring. If a member of congress finds out their kid has been gambling with their gaming account money they gave them while a multi billion-dollar company stands in the background facilitating it? Whoooboy.
That's not quite correct - there are 100% legal ways to get the real money from your skins.
https://opskins.com/
Saint of Killers
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Valve's part in this is what the OP should be about. Random cunts acting cunty isn't new, but Valve enabling this kind of behaviour is genuinely shocking.
In an ideal world:
Google would remove partner status from these people.
Amazon would remove them from Twitch.
Valve would lockdown the steam bots.
And the IRS would come down something fierce on these people who've just had their only real sources of income completely scraped from them.
What will actually happen? No clue :\
Google would remove partner status from these people.
Amazon would remove them from Twitch.
Valve would lockdown the steam bots.
And the IRS would come down something fierce on these people who've just had their only real sources of income completely scraped from them.
What will actually happen? No clue :\
It seems like he's trying to cover up even videos that showcased his lies on his own channel.
Sincerely hope he's taken to court over this. If it's all legal, and he's done nothing wrong, then why dodge and cover up shit you've done yourself, huh?
But he's also in Florida. Considering how fucking backwards that place is, I'm sure he'd be acquitted of any illegal activities.
Sincerely hope he's taken to court over this. If it's all legal, and he's done nothing wrong, then why dodge and cover up shit you've done yourself, huh?
But he's also in Florida. Considering how fucking backwards that place is, I'm sure he'd be acquitted of any illegal activities.
It seems like he's trying to cover up even videos that showcased his lies on his own channel.
Sincerely hope he's taken to court over this. If it's all legal, and he's done nothing wrong, then why dodge and cover up shit you've done yourself, huh?
But he's also in Florida. Considering how fucking backwards that place is, I'm sure he'd be acquitted of any illegal activities.
This would be federal level, not state.
And there's a good chance any class action suits against him would be held in a different state as well.
PsychoSoldier
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Because you can trade them and therefore people can gamble using loopholes.
KINGofCRA5H
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They're boned for sure lol
fastballspecial
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Watched the video. Can't believe these scumbags did this stuff. I don't play CS but I can appreciate the weight of all this. These dudes are so fucked. Wonder if anyone else feels the ripple effect.
I have never been a fan of "influencers" or YouTube people. There's no oversight. It's all very... trashy to me. This ordeal pretty much proves it.
I have never been a fan of "influencers" or YouTube people. There's no oversight. It's all very... trashy to me. This ordeal pretty much proves it.
You can trade items to another steam account (i.e. your friend/any random) and they have developer APIs that can be used to automate this process.
Psychological Intellect
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it's not like valve gives a shit about their customers judging from their security and customer notification history.
fastballspecial
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Big difference is that in Overwatch there is no item trading of any sort.
TheRedSnifit
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I mean, sure, but I don't really see it as being any worse than Wizards of the Coast randomly distributing rare cards to encourage buying tons of Magic packs on the off chance you get a $500 card.
Hypereides
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Its not just Valve that has fallen these past few years, but, yes, it is disheartening.
We've explained the difference a ton of times: Wizards of the coast doesn't gain anything from the secondary market, valve literally profits off of the buying/selling of these items BEYOND just the sale of the key (which is the analog of the pack).
Wizards of the coast doesn't make a cut from me selling a magic card on ebay or anywhere else, valve not only does, but they own the only legitimate way for you to sell those items.
Altered Juice
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TheRedSnifit
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I was referring specifically to the morals of "blind box" gambling, but whatever.
Blind boxes aren't a problem, so no buying the key to open the box isn't any different than a pack of magic cards. If that's all that was involved it wouldn't be a discussion right now (I get that there are people that don't like it, but it's not any different then, no).
TheLegendOfMart
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If they ban CSGO Gambling a lot of big twitch streamers are fucked. That is all PhantomL0rd does, he has won and lost millions of dollars worth of CSGO skins and he recently gave away $100k worth of skins.
Shame about ProSyndicate, I enjoy watching his vlogs.
Shame about ProSyndicate, I enjoy watching his vlogs.
Translation: He got a lawyer.
TheRedSnifit
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I'm sure most people here are concerned about artificially creating rare items, which are then used in gambling, which then encourage people to spend more money to recover their lost collateral.
Pretty sure you're the only one who cares about the distinction, actually.
element
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This isn't the first time that Tom Cassell (ProSyndicate) has been accused of promoting a product that he has a vested interest in.
Last year he and SeaNanners had a company called 3BlackDot that published a game called Dead Realm. Both promoted the game extensively on their channels without mentioning that they are employees of the company.
These guys see that no one is going to go after them, so they keep doing it. It won't be until a hawkish DA decides to jump on them that anything will happen.
Last year he and SeaNanners had a company called 3BlackDot that published a game called Dead Realm. Both promoted the game extensively on their channels without mentioning that they are employees of the company.
These guys see that no one is going to go after them, so they keep doing it. It won't be until a hawkish DA decides to jump on them that anything will happen.
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