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Laserdisc 2 vs Laserdisc 3
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Warm Machine
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Stand alone electronics are never sold at a loss, consoles are.
TTP said:
Ummmm, it says right there they are playsforsure compliant, which is a Microsoft standard. http://www.playsforsure.com/
Blaster1X said:
Videophiles will fork out $1,800 for the best product. Other home video enthusiasts might recognize the value in a sub-$500 PS3. The ones missing out are biased fools such as yourself. Luckily there aren't many people like you out there, or so I hope. "Ouch" indeed... :lol
Blaster1X said:
I'm not defending Blu-Ray. It just so happens PS3 is gonna have Blu-Ray, which means that if it comes in at a reasonable price I'm just going to have a BRD player whether I want one or not.
However, if you want to put me on the spot, it's obvious from the content and technology standpoint BRD is better though, only price holds it back. Defending HD-DVD at this point is pretty weird. But I mean, it's only weird if you're not BlasterX1. Then I know the point.
Mrbob said:
Is that for sure? I couldn't see mention of it in the Pioneer release, and I'm not full on details on the Samsung one.
edit - the BD-P1000 is a player, the BD-R1000 is a recorder, at least that's how the prototypes went.
Also, it seems LG will have a player at the show, and Panasonic and Samsung will have recorders (according to this: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/jan/1261479.htm)
Midas said:
The Paramount and Sony announcements suggested this, or at least that their content would be. But as for whether it's an enforced minimum standard..?
I do also think that the Pioneer and Samsung models are players only, but Samsung and Panasonic are supposedly to have recorders at the show. There are a couple of other player models reportedly due to be announced also. I guess Samsung and Pioneer figure they can get away with these prices at least till PS3 arrives, however long or short that might be.
Actually, it does look like I am wrong, I read up on these Blu Ray devices and they are players only.
The samsung one confuses me. From what I'm reading it only outputs at 720P/1080i like the Toshiba HD DVD player for half the price. The Pioneer outputs at 1080P. $1000 for only 720p/1080i? Disappointing.
These prices will come down. I would expect by Fall 2006 to be nearly half of what the MSRP is right now. I don't see the PS3 launching before October/November 2006.
The samsung one confuses me. From what I'm reading it only outputs at 720P/1080i like the Toshiba HD DVD player for half the price. The Pioneer outputs at 1080P. $1000 for only 720p/1080i? Disappointing.
These prices will come down. I would expect by Fall 2006 to be nearly half of what the MSRP is right now. I don't see the PS3 launching before October/November 2006.
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Mrbob said:
$800-$1800 for a player. Then the PS3 will be a gaming console and a player for....
How much debt can Sony swallow and what are they doing to make up for the losses they will incur if tyhe PS3 is $300? $400 is looking more like the price to me for PS3.
DenogginizerOS said:
You cannot draw a line between these prices and the manufacturing cost for Sony for PS3's blu-ray drive..not by a long long shot..
Norse said:
It was not universally better, actually. You couldn't record as much on them as VHS. And I'm not sure about content support..
Blaster1X said:
Who in the world thinks it'll be 299.99? Nobody seriously thinks that's a good estimate of what PS3 will cost. IF it's 399.99 it'd be a phenomenal deal. My worry is that it WON'T be 399 if these trends persist. It'll be more, and then I have to wait for like 4 price drops.
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Blaster1X said:
Didn't you see above? $299 is "a big durr".
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gofreak said:
You are right. I forgot to add the costs of Cell. So this will likely push it up close to$499.
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Beta had worse content support even though it was better technology.Norse said:
Is there an official "PS3 price predictions" thread anywhere? Or is this it? :lol
Anyway, I'll stick my two pence in and say the PS3 will probably come out at $499. It certainly won't be any more than that.
For people interested in other blu-ray related products, the blu-ray official site has a bunch of high res pictures of the various players, recorders and drives that are being shown or will become available.
Anyway, I'll stick my two pence in and say the PS3 will probably come out at $499. It certainly won't be any more than that.
For people interested in other blu-ray related products, the blu-ray official site has a bunch of high res pictures of the various players, recorders and drives that are being shown or will become available.
Remember, there is a ton of advanced circuitry inside these Blu Ray players, besides the drive, which add up costs. And they are sold for a tidy profit, unlike home consoles.
Cell and RSX will more than likely end up handling the decoding of Blu Ray media for Playstation 3, so the real cost is the drive itself. I don't think $299 is a possibility but I do think $349 or $399 is.
Also, as noted earlier, Toshiba is using Cell chips in all their 2006 tvs. I'm surprised they beat Sony to the punch as I don't think 2006 Sony Tvs has Cell chips inside. Mass production in a variety of products will help drive down cost.
It is strange though how Sony and Toshiba can work on Cell together but couldn't get anything done in unifying a high definition media format.
Cell and RSX will more than likely end up handling the decoding of Blu Ray media for Playstation 3, so the real cost is the drive itself. I don't think $299 is a possibility but I do think $349 or $399 is.
Also, as noted earlier, Toshiba is using Cell chips in all their 2006 tvs. I'm surprised they beat Sony to the punch as I don't think 2006 Sony Tvs has Cell chips inside. Mass production in a variety of products will help drive down cost.
It is strange though how Sony and Toshiba can work on Cell together but couldn't get anything done in unifying a high definition media format.
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Amir0x said:
I did. The "durr" implies that the suggestion PS3 would be $299 is completely stupid and I was reminding them that suggesting this price was pointless.
Same team. I learnt from you.
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All things being equal between PS3 and the 360, the Blu-Ray drive alone will push a launch PS3 price beyond a launch 360.
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Warm Machine said:
And justifying a $399.99 price tag for 360 was a hard sell for the wife at first. $499.99 will require some major toe-sucking.
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I'm willing to pay pretty much any cost for the PS3. A low price would be good for most consumers, but that would likely mean borked/removed Blu-Ray capability. I want the PS3 to be a powerful, all-inclusive machine like it has the potential to be, and I'm ready to pay more for that. Unless the PS3 DVD playback sucks like the PS2, I would rather not have to spend another $500-1,000 on a standalone player (who knows how much players will cost when the PS3 comes).
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Orin GA said:
Here's your answer
While that's a nice theory vastep, i realize that a console priced out of the hands of mainstream consumers (even after several price drops) would mean less support for the system, which would mean a lower quality system in the long term especially in terms of games
I don't think my heart could take it. I'm not that rich, I'd have to wait for like 4 pricedrops at least
Stinkles said:
I don't think my heart could take it. I'm not that rich, I'd have to wait for like 4 pricedrops at least
Common misconception - that's not the official Blu-ray site. This is:Danj said:
http://www.blu-raydisc.com
Warm Machine said:
The core 360. PS3 won't have the fixed cost of a HDD added on.
$349.99 is my guess. If Sony could pack all that technology into the PS2 at launch for $299.99, they can do the same for the PS3 at $349.99 with the added cost of Blu Ray considered.
Or look at what the 360 is packing at $299.99 w/o a hdd in the core pack. $349.99 for a PS3 in Fall 2006 isn't a stretch.
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I don't think in the 10 months between now and proposed PS3 launch in the US that the player cost is going to drop significantly. DVD came out on the scene early 97 and the PS2 launched in March 2000 so there were pretty well three full years for the price to drop to an acceptable level. Even then stand alone DVD players were around $300+.
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Haha, good luck with that dual-layered HD-DVD; you'll see Dual (and Quad on the horizon) layered BD-ROM viable around the same time as HD-DVD transitions to more than one layer. It's not very scalable outside of the checkboxes.
Ohh, and it's nice to see Cell in every TV from Toshiba like some have been predicting. Fellatio Aaron...
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Stinkles said:
I think the only thing that will convince me to pay $499.99 at launch is MGS4 at launch, GTA4 at launch , or Killzone 2 at launch looking close to like it did in the E3 vids. Plus, they will need online services included in that price that will come close to the services provided by XBL. I really think $399 is the magic price.
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Mrbob said:
If the drive alone costs $150 then it is a stretch. The dvd drive that is in a 360 probably costs MS $20 at the most.
Warm Machine said:
Yes I know this is why I'm adding 50 dollars onto the price of the system as it will cost Sony more. What a company pays for and what they charge to the consumer are two different things. Most of these players probably have near 100 percent mark up charge (If not higher) because companies can get away with this when new products launch.