DeepEnigma
Gold Member
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/last-j...edistarwars&utm_term=paid&utm_content=link_ad
Oh the irony with "Mary Sue" of all publication names being on it so thick.
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Last Jedi's Rian Johnson Explains Why He Deleted 20,000 Tweets After James Gunn's Firing
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http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/last-j...edistarwars&utm_term=paid&utm_content=link_ad
Oh the irony with "Mary Sue" of all publication names being on it so thick.
J-Roderton
Member
Probably going to see a lot more of this happening.
King of Foxes
Banned
Imagine being so devoid of your convictions that you delete 20 thousand tweets out of fear
iconmaster
Banned
Even apart from the social implications of mass paranoia, Twitter has got to be unhappy about this.
BANGS
Banned
Imagine being so devoid of common sense that you'd risk your multi million dollar salary for 20 thousand tweets...
#deleteyourtweets
King of Foxes
Banned
Imagine being so dumb you would sprout shit online that would get you fired in the first place
this is from the director who calls Star Wars fans who dont like his movie manbabies while spending 8 hours a day arguing with people on twitter in defense of his shit movie
It is posts like this that make me wish that neogaf would show dislikes.
King of Foxes
Banned
You would most likely be disapointed
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Derogatory words towards men are okay.
What did he call the women that did not like his film?
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BANGS
Banned
And he knows he may live to regret those, so he deleted them. Again, defense of shitty movie, millions of dollars... hmmm real hard choice...
Well that's life.
edit: your completely throwing me off . In one posts I'm thinking that your making it sound like your attacking him because he is possibly some sexist, mysogynist who would have to hide his dark history and the next your attacking him because he attacks folks who hate the last jedi. I totally understand the dislike for his attacks on the star wars fans.
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Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
Gary Whitta was right... he was always right.
King of Foxes
Banned
I;m attacking him because he is a shitty director projecting his failures onto the fans by calling them manbabies and arguing with them on twitter almost every single day, attacking any criticism of the film with contempt.
I think we may be kindred souls here, I hate TLJ and what Rian did to Star Wars. Do you also hate it?
Can we be racist manbaby misogynistic incel losers together?
hammysaurusrex
Member
Sounds smart; communications 101 is "assume the most uncharitable interpretation of your words is the version the public latches on to"
I agree with his assessment of the situation. These days you basically have armies of politically motivated goons (on the left and the right) scouring your every word for the slightest out of context slip-up so that it can be weaponized. It's easy to understand why giving them thousands of what are essentially text messages to devour is a bad idea.
I agree with his assessment of the situation. These days you basically have armies of politically motivated goons (on the left and the right) scouring your every word for the slightest out of context slip-up so that it can be weaponized. It's easy to understand why giving them thousands of what are essentially text messages to devour is a bad idea.
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BANGS
Banned
Based on what little I've seen, he seems to be just fine with valid criticism. But the actual manbabies crying that he ruined their childhood or some goofy shit get ripped on for being the turds they are...
lol, hate is a bit strong for me but I really didn't like The last jedi with superman leia, the purple haired commander that I don't care about who sacrifices herself , and Rey kicking every well trained Jedi's butt. Almost forgot about how wrong they did Luke in that movie. I was also paying attention to that whole hate on Rian , and Katheleen Kennedy with her force is female movement on youtube but I'm burnt out.
Ruining their childhood is a bit much but ruining Star Wars I could totally understand. I just don't see how they can make a comeback after the Last Jedi pretty much destroyed everything that a lot of folk had nostalgia for.
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TrainedRage
Banned
When you have a lot of nothing to say. You do this.
That's smart. Losers with nothing to do were going to try to damage him with it. Now he only has to deal with the fallout (much shorter amount of time of outrage) of deleting tweets instead of having to apologize or defend whatever was going to trigger the neckbeards who had their star wars destroyed.
lifa-cobex
Member
Common Riiiiiiiiian. Don't lie.
This is the equivalent of jacking off in your bed room. You hear your moms footsteps creeping closer and the door knob starts turning.
Fumbling around desperately to put your dick away and close all the tabs.
"What are you doing Rian?"
"OH UHH UH nothing mum. I was uhh just checking to make sure I don't have any viruses on my computer and uhh stuff".
"OK Rian but you make sure your not looking at anything naughty OK? Remember, I'm watching you"
"K mom. luv you too"
MomsNewBoyfriend
Neo Member
you just know some intern got slapped with the twitter deletion duty
switchback27
Member
I mean, I don't blame the guy. Maybe there was something in those 20k tweets, maybe not.
From Johnson's perspective, why take the risk of somebody latching onto an off-the-cuff tweet made who-knows-how-long ago and lighting a match to see if it explodes or not? It's protection.
Of course, it's sad that things have gotten to that point, but we live in the here and now; you should do your best to protect yourself under the current rules, and simultaneously work to change the rules if you see them as being stupid.
From Johnson's perspective, why take the risk of somebody latching onto an off-the-cuff tweet made who-knows-how-long ago and lighting a match to see if it explodes or not? It's protection.
Of course, it's sad that things have gotten to that point, but we live in the here and now; you should do your best to protect yourself under the current rules, and simultaneously work to change the rules if you see them as being stupid.
Fox Mulder
Member
This is the world we live in now. I don't know why anyone would put themselves out there on Twitter if they have anything to lose.
ilfait
Member
Refusal to be intimidated, refusal to let authoritarian fuckheads decide what you say and where you say it? I don't blame anyone for opting out, but there are good reasons to not.
Papa
Banned
Convictions don't matter anymore, apparently.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
So is now when we start the countdown of some one dredging up old archived tweets that would ignite the twitter outrage machine?
I got $1 on it being a week
I got $1 on it being a week
888
Member
And that’s all that needs to be said. Well put.
Zenaku
Member
Do they even need to dredge one up? Unless every one of them is archived somewhere, what's stopping someone from creating a fake one in photoshop and claiming it was among the 20,000 deleted tweets?
Part of me wants to see it happen just to highlight the toxicity and absurdity of outrage culture.
Part of me wants to see it happen just to highlight the toxicity and absurdity of outrage culture.
strange headache
Banned
Wow that Mary Sue tweet is the most hypocritical thing I've read this week. Straight from the horse's mouth who have been using twitter as a bludgeoning tool to smear and shame their ideological opponents with their yellow journalism. Another juicy quote from their own article:
This is the pot calling the kettle black, only this time it's happening to one of their favorites. Johnson deleting his tweets only goes tho show how incredibly toxic and skewed that social media infused sense of justice really is. Rian is not deleting his tweets because of random trolls, but because of website like the Mary Sue and other ideological outrage mongering clickbait media outlets.
This is the mindset that they've helped create and I find it funny how they are now desperately trying to shift the blame away from themselves.
This is the pot calling the kettle black, only this time it's happening to one of their favorites. Johnson deleting his tweets only goes tho show how incredibly toxic and skewed that social media infused sense of justice really is. Rian is not deleting his tweets because of random trolls, but because of website like the Mary Sue and other ideological outrage mongering clickbait media outlets.
This is the mindset that they've helped create and I find it funny how they are now desperately trying to shift the blame away from themselves.
Denton
Member
Is there anyone here who liked Last Jedi?
It's funny, I remember my emotions watching it...I was like, this is unexpectedly cringy....why is Luke acting this way..? Why would Luke try to kill his nephew in his sleep..? OMG Leia can FLY IN A VACUUM of SPACE! And it went *gasp* downhill from there.
Gorgeously shot though. And I still quite like Brick, eventhough I think Johnson is an asshole.
It's funny, I remember my emotions watching it...I was like, this is unexpectedly cringy....why is Luke acting this way..? Why would Luke try to kill his nephew in his sleep..? OMG Leia can FLY IN A VACUUM of SPACE! And it went *gasp* downhill from there.
Gorgeously shot though. And I still quite like Brick, eventhough I think Johnson is an asshole.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
I do. Finn's arc felt unnatural and tacked into it, and some of the humourous and silly scenes were stretched too far, but it is otherwise a movie with excellent moments (Kylo/ Rey interaction, the thronce scene, the lightspeed sacrifice, the entire Luke's sequence at the end). I have faith that Rian will do a better job with his new trilogy now that he has no baggage from the past and can do his own thing.
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Denton
Member
Interesting. In isolation I can see how some of those scenes are well crafted - lightspeed sacrifice looked visually beautiful, Luke standing against the row of AT ATs looked cool as hell too..but the actual storytelling/characters of it I find nonsensical/bad in context of the whole saga and the preceding film(s).
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
RJ didn't handle that very well. He clearly didn't know what to do with Finn, and was not interested on following too much the last film, yet he was stuck with whatever JJ Abrams left. It was partially his fault as a creator, partially Lucasfilms fault for having no rough guideline for the story, and partially JJ Abrams fault for setting up mystery boxes without no idea on how to close them up.
There's an interesting interview somewhere where Rian explains that most of his story decisions were based on what seemed the most dramatic route to take the characters into. What if Rey is a nobody? What if Luke had isolated himself out of depression? What if Emperor v.2 is quickly retired to put the spotlight fully on Ren? The problem is, JJ Abrams, who had no idea at the time on how those arcs would conclude, hyped them towards the opposite direction. Look at the amount of similarities Rey has with Luke/ Anakin! Oh, and her past is so mysterious, isn't it? Look at how imposing Snoke is! Certainly, he'll be really important in the future! So there's this massive disconnect between both movies.
For that reason, I think people will be a lot more forgiving of his new trilogy, as many of his flaws as a storyteller (the unsubtle way he disregards or subverts past material to push his own vision) should not exist there.
rbanke
Member
When the goal post of what is considered 'grossly offensive' is changing all the time why wouldn't someone do what they can to erase anything they've said if they're in a position that their livelihood can and is being targeted?
Personally, I think 'Free Speech' should also prevent people from being fired for things they say and do while they are not currently working, so long as those things are legal.
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plushyp
Member
You've not seen much about this guy then. Johnson has to be one of the worst people at accepting criticism about TLJ. Even people with valid criticism were ridiculed, mocked and thrown in with the outspoken crazies.
Azurro
Banned
I liked the movie (except for that terrible Casino subplot that goes on forever), but you are right here, it seems to me like the director wanted to create his own thing, and couldn't wait until the start of his new trilogy, so he basically threw all the plotlines from TFA into the bin. It's most telling when at the end of the movie, nothing gets accomplished, there are no plot threads to follow and almost all the old characters are dead. There's nowhere to go from here.
Which is a shame because there were some really cool scenes I really enjoyed, like the force ghost against the empire fleet and the Ken vs Rey battle. They should have saved that last one until the last movie, or saved the Snookie death scene until the next.
BANGS
Banned
It can come back by being original and not just being nostalgia goggles: the movie. If you shut your fanboyism off, Star Wars 8 was an okay movie... not amazing but decent for sure. 7 was WAY too much about nostalgia, 8 was WAY too much about breaking away from expectations... I really hope they find their own groove for 9 and stop pandering to either side. Just make a good original star wars movie, that's it...
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
Yep. It's just not worth having a social media account if you're any kind of public figure. Especially one with that many old tweets. Best to stay off it, or start anew and only use it for completely non-controversial things. Sad that's the state of society, but with so many extremists on both sides wanting to ruin people they view as on the other side it's better to not risk it.
I don't even consider myself a fanboy of star wars though. When I watched the movie I enjoyed it somewhat but the more I thought about the movie the worse it became. I would call what they did destroying the past rather than breaking away from expectations.
BANGS
Banned
I don't see it as destroying the past at all. The two examples I always hear is that it destroyed Luke's character and space combat via the hyperdrive ram, neither of which I can agree with. Honestly it's like saying the prequels ruined lightsaber combat... doesn't make sense to me...
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of valid criticisms towards the movie, mainly that 80% of the plot was just filler, and everything to do with Leia, but in general it's a decent Star Wars movie that hopefully will pay off even better with the next one...
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Enosh
Member
I really don't think "don't make jokes about raping kids or babies" is some impossibly high standard that Hollywood elites just can't reach
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Basoes
Member
that's some drive by shitposting
anyway, he made the right move, people are petty and trollish as fuck, best to take all the measures you can to make sure no one can harm your career over the dumb shit you said before