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I have an older CRT and it's ok except for the fact the sides now get cut off in HD. I'm not sure when this started happening but I can't see things like the sidebar on SportsCenter (at least I can only view partially) or when I played GTA IV I couldn't see all of my money total.

And before you ask I checked every setting possible and there doesn't seem to be a way to correct it.

But oh well, I'm getting a new TV soon (plasma thanks to this board). I really want LED but I feel like it's too expensive at this point in it's life.
 
worldrunover said:
I have an older CRT and it's ok except for the fact the sides now get cut off in HD. I'm not sure when this started happening but I can't see things like the sidebar on SportsCenter (at least I can only view partially) or when I played GTA IV I couldn't see all of my money total.

And before you ask I checked every setting possible and there doesn't seem to be a way to correct it.

But oh well, I'm getting a new TV soon (plasma thanks to this board). I really want LED but I feel like it's too expensive at this point in it's life.
You can adjust overscan in the service menu. However, I wouldn't recommend doing so unless you know what you're doing as you could definitely ruin the set.

He actually wants to get another TV (LCD) to put in the same room just to spite me.
Heh, well, I'd tell him to go ahead and waste his money and take the Kuro for yourself (unless you already have one...though having two isn't bad).

I still can't believe someone would be so irrational about it...

Always-honest said:
"Image retention" on a LCD is permanent i heard.. never noticed it on any of lcd screen though.
You know, IR on LCD screens never made sense to me, but I've seen it in a few rare occasions.

For instance, a guy at work is using one of those large Apple Cinema displays (a 2006 model). That thing has a serious problem with image retention. Leave any window in place for more than a couple of minutes and you'll see a ghost image of that window on screen (on top of everything, not just over black) for a good 10 minutes or so. It always fades rather quickly, but it's very distracting. I don't really understand WHY this would even occur. I mean, it makes sense in the case of plasma, but it doesn't seem physically possible with an LCD. Yet, there it is!
 
dark10x said:
You can adjust overscan in the service menu. However, I wouldn't recommend doing so unless you know what you're doing as you could definitely ruin the set.


Heh, well, I'd tell him to go ahead and waste his money and take the Kuro for yourself (unless you already have one...though having two isn't bad).

I still can't believe someone would be so irrational about it...


You know, IR on LCD screens never made sense to me, but I've seen it in a few rare occasions.

For instance, a guy at work is using one of those large Apple Cinema displays (a 2006 model). That thing has a serious problem with image retention. Leave any window in place for more than a couple of minutes and you'll see a ghost image of that window on screen (on top of everything, not just over black) for a good 10 minutes or so. It always fades rather quickly, but it's very distracting. I don't really understand WHY this would even occur. I mean, it makes sense in the case of plasma, but it doesn't seem physically possible with an LCD. Yet, there it is!

Maybe it was defective? I don't know with all the monitors I've built/seen I haven't really seen any image retention. I've seen awful ghosting but not image retention. I'm assuming the screen isn't in a cold place or anything right?
 
jam86 said:
You're comparing apples to oranges, a low/mid end LCD (at least in this moment in time) does not compare to a panasonic plasma. The only advantage you're looking at for LCD is they're better for uncontrollable lighting (windows, lights, doors etc etc). If you have really bright room where you can't control the lighting, you may want to go for LCD if not the plasma does everything better. Or if you want a screen smaller than 42", go for LCD.

The TV won't become obsolete in 5 years (1080p is still going to be 1080p for awhile), the tech for OLED is too expensive at this point it will be awhile til that goes down. And just like LCD's in their early stages, the screen sizes available for those are too small to matter.

As far as your TV how long it will last, the average plasma is supposed to last around 50,000 - 60,000 hours. Panasonic claims 100,000 (which I really doubt) which if you do the math, is a really long time. LCD's should be similar in that aspect the only difference is how they age.


Ok then, how does this one compare to TC-P42S1

Its the Samsung 40in 1080p LN40B530. Its 700 dollars with 50 dollar gift card type of thing this week.

Repsonse time is 5 ms.
60,000 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40"+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9230691.p?skuId=9230691&id=1218063829730

What do guys think?
 
Zapages said:
Ok then, how does this one compare to TC-P42S1

Its the Samsung 40in 1080p LN40B530. Its 700 dollars with 50 dollar gift card type of thing this week.

Repsonse time is 5 ms.
60,000 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40"+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9230691.p?skuId=9230691&id=1218063829730

What do guys think?
Go with the Panasonic G10 instead(You could find one under a grand)Samsung's are not that good in the plasma department compare to Panny.
 
Zapages said:
Ok then, how does this one compare to TC-P42S1

Its the Samsung 40in 1080p LN40B530. Its 700 dollars with 50 dollar gift card type of thing this week.

Repsonse time is 5 ms.
60,000 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40"+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9230691.p?skuId=9230691&id=1218063829730

What do guys think?

I have ln46A550 its LCD and it looks fantastic. Most of the comparison here is like graphics comparison in the gaming department( i.e put your face as close to monitor as possible and find faults) . Everyone has different standard. For normal viewing most of the tv from standard companies( tv from Sony, samsung, Panasonic) will look fine. If there have ps3 and are interested in 3d i suppose you can buy 120hz tv. everything else, don't think too much. Go to store and look around and read some reviews on website, you will find good one.
 
I am stunned that anyone could actually believe LCD is on the same level as plasma.

IMHO, this is likely a psychological issue. Cognitive dissonance. Anyone spending $$$ on an LCD is going to convince themselves that they made the best choice in order to reduce cognitive dissonance.

In reality, Plasma is better for viewing. LCD might have a bit lower power consumption, might be a little lighter, etc, but in the end, what the fuck do these have to do with watching the best looking TV?

If you have bright, uncontrollable light that will reflect off a plasma, go LCD. In all other cases, plasma is your best bet.

Don't get me started on CNET. Bunch of ignorant hacks (or pair to act like they are...)
 
People are kidding themselves when they consider LCDs to have caught up to plasmas. Or they don't know better.

LCDs look way better than plasmas in stores with very bright lighting. But then you get home, turn it on, the picture looks different from every angle, dark parts turn blue, the auto contrast is jacked up so crazy to compensate for the technology's black problems that it looks like everyone has really, really bad teeth, colors are usually off, uneven backlighting. I tweaked a friends new Samsung LED LCD for hours and was never satisfied. Not to mention input lag, even in game mode.

My Panny plasma I unboxed, turned it on - looks great.
 
Zapages said:
Ok then, how does this one compare to TC-P42S1

Its the Samsung 40in 1080p LN40B530. Its 700 dollars with 50 dollar gift card type of thing this week.

Repsonse time is 5 ms.
60,000 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40"+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9230691.p?skuId=9230691&id=1218063829730

What do guys think?

My friend bought a Samsung LN46B650 a few weeks ago, which would be a 46" 120Hz model a few levels up from the one you linked to. Honestly, it was OK, but there is no way in hell I would choose it over a good Panasonic plasma. My mothers 2 year old sub 720p (1024x768) plasma looks better.
 
crazy monkey said:
I have ln46A550 its LCD and it looks fantastic. Most of the comparison here is like graphics comparison in the gaming department( i.e put your face as close to monitor as possible and find faults) . Everyone has different standard. For normal viewing most of the tv from standard companies( tv from Sony, samsung, Panasonic) will look fine. If there have ps3 and are interested in 3d i suppose you can buy 120hz tv. everything else, don't think too much. Go to store and look around and read some reviews on website, you will find good one.


Cool man.

How are LG...

LG - 42" Class / 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV
2.7 ms response time
80,000:1 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+42...HDTV/9246737.p?id=1218067378936&skuId=9246737

My local sears has it for $730... Go for it compared, how's this compared to the samsung HDTV that I showed...
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Maybe it was defective? I don't know with all the monitors I've built/seen I haven't really seen any image retention. I've seen awful ghosting but not image retention. I'm assuming the screen isn't in a cold place or anything right?
He's used that monitor since day 1 every day and it still looks great and works well, but that IR problem remains. It is never permanent, fortunately, but it's still very odd.
 
How are those specs in general. The TV I'm getting has 80k:1 contrast but a 4ms response time. How is that contrast ration and should I be worried about gaming. Also, is 120mhz a huge difference? I understand it's move for movies and I do understand about the pull down, but I've never noticed anything off about the movies I watch with my 60mhz tv. Also, does 1080p make that kind of thing most noticeable than 1080i or 720p?
 
BobTheFork said:
How are those specs in general. The TV I'm getting has 80k:1 contrast but a 4ms response time. How is that contrast ration and should I be worried about gaming. Also, is 120mhz a huge difference? I understand it's move for movies and I do understand about the pull down, but I've never noticed anything off about the movies I watch with my 60mhz tv. Also, does 1080p make that kind of thing most noticeable than 1080i or 720p?
That contrast ratio is bullshit. Those numbers are never accurate. They always refer to the dynamic contrast ratio.
 
Zapages said:
Cool man.

How are LG...

LG - 42" Class / 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV
2.7 ms response time
80,000:1 dynamic color

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+42...HDTV/9246737.p?id=1218067378936&skuId=9246737

My local sears has it for $730... Go for it compared, how's this compared to the samsung HDTV that I showed...

I don't know much about LG. But it is good company and I think they make good computer monitors too. If you can go with 3 top companies Sony, samsung or Panasonic go with them. Before I bought my tv I did comparison Like this..
Unless you go for the lowest model in any company you will be fine with any choice. Just make sure you go out in the store and watch the tv for some time and have comparative data on hand by researching on avs forum or something like that.
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BobTheFork said:
You can't even get a plasma from a store here in Denver, and I've heard it's the altitude.
It is a bit hard to read some of this though; too many people think they are right and everything else is wrong, no matter what the opinion.

Oh, this is the TV I think I'm getting for Christmas/Graduation
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9300437.p?id=1218079755374&skuId=9300437
I think it's pretty sweet, considering I'm rocking an LG slimline CRT right now.

not sure if the newer sets are improved but the last Samsung LCD I owned had horrible input lag. I replaced it with a Sony LCD (which was later replaced by a plasma) and the Sony LCD w/ Game Mode enabled was much better when it came to input lag. So much better that I don't think I'd ever consider a Samsung LCD again.
 
JB1981 said:
not sure if the newer sets are improved but the last Samsung LCD I owned had horrible input lag. I replaced it with a Sony LCD (which was later replaced by a plasma) and the Sony LCD w/ Game Mode enabled was much better when it came to input lag. So much better that I don't think I'd ever consider a Samsung LCD again.
Well from what I'm reading, the newer LCD's from Samsung are somewhat better with input lag. Specifically they now have a game mode that is supposed to help. ]

About the contrast ratio being BS, then why does it differ at all from tv to tv (the ratio that is). Is it all the same or do some LCD's have decent contrast.
 
BobTheFork said:
Well from what I'm reading, the newer LCD's from Samsung are somewhat better with input lag. Specifically they now have a game mode that is supposed to help. ]

About the contrast ratio being BS, then why does it differ at all from tv to tv (the ratio that is). Is it all the same or do some LCD's have decent contrast.

Some have better than others but going solely by the numbers is complete bullshit because there's no set way you have to test it so you will get varying results. Thus some tvs have 80,000:1 contrast ratios. The extreme numbers aren't something to go off of since they are measured in a different way but ya it is different per tv.
 
BobTheFork said:
Well from what I'm reading, the newer LCD's from Samsung are somewhat better with input lag. Specifically they now have a game mode that is supposed to help. ]

About the contrast ratio being BS, then why does it differ at all from tv to tv (the ratio that is). Is it all the same or do some LCD's have decent contrast.

samsung that i have ln46a550 has game mode. I play wii so i don't know about other console but wii looks just fine. For contrast ratio different company use different standards I think. Most of the standard LCD tv are fine if you to mid to high level model from sony or samsung.
 
dark10x said:
Heh, well, I'd tell him to go ahead and waste his money and take the Kuro for yourself (unless you already have one...though having two isn't bad).

I still can't believe someone would be so irrational about it...
I wish I could have that Kuro. It's so beautiful. Far, far better than the TV I have now (Samsung series 4 plasma). The difference in blacks is just astounding, the Kuro completely blows away everything else I've seen.
 
No, they haven't. The only area that has been improved (mostly by Samsung) is minimum luminance (from dead center). The LED sets are up to 8G Kuro standards. But then again, so are the higher tier Panasonic plasmas, and even some Samsung plasmas are pretty much 8G Kuro level, believe it or not. LCD still suffers from off axis problems and motion issues, and I don't think any amount of advancement in LCD will make it 'look' like a pixel emissive tech like plasma. You can't fake that natural image quality.

The best displays on the market IMO:

1. Pioneer 9G Kuro plasmas
2. Pioneer 8G Kuro plasmas/Panasonic Z1 plasma
3. Samsung 6 and 8 series plasmas
4. Panasonic 12G lineup
 
There is actually a rather significant difference between 8G Kuro and 9G. I've owned both and was quite stunned by the massive leap forward the 9G made. It really is the only flat panel I've used that delivers what I've desired. In fact, I think it looks better than a CRT in that regard, which is no small feat.

When watching a film, the black areas of the screen quite literally fade into the bezel. It's difficult to discern where the screen ends and the bezel begins. This was never true with the 8G Kuro. It was very nice looking, true, but it was only halfway there.

I still don't know how they achieved such richness with their final displays.
 
My friend is going TV shopping today and unfortunately plasma isn't an option. The problem with the Panasonic G10 is it's too heavy for his rack mount and as a result he's going to have to go to LCD. So does anyone know that given that the Panasonic is out of the question, what's a good 46" LCD screen that is no more than $1200? We're going in a few hours so hopefully some suggestions here will help me stear him in the right direction of what to look at. I'm assuming it will be looking at Samsungs or Sonys.
 
OK I think I'll buy the same panny plasma I settled on, but the 720p version...

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-...z700u/4505-6482_7-32466828.html?tag=mncol;lst

This video review of an old 42" 1080p panny plasma says you'd have to be like 4.5ft or closer to see the difference... This is around the range I'll be sitting at, around 5 ft, and I'm not sure how much extra detail exactly, it doesn't sound like night and day... I really thought 42" was big enough for 1080p, then afew days ago I saw that review and this article:

http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/


Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV.

Katzmaier stands by his previous analysis: The extra sharpness afforded by the 1080p televisions he's seen is noticeable only when watching 1080i or 1080p sources on a larger screens, say 55 inches and bigger, or with projectors that display a wall-size picture.

But...

Katzmaier also says that the main real-world advantage of 1080p is not the extra sharpness you'll be seeing, but instead, the smaller, more densely packed pixels. In other words, you can sit closer to a 1080p television and not notice any pixel structure, such as stair-stepping along diagonal lines, or the screen-door effect (where you can actually see the space between the pixels). This advantage applies regardless of the quality of the source.

Regarding the last quote, I'm guessing I need to be like 2 ft from the TV to notice any of this...

I'm pretty much set now on 720p. Only blu-rays will benefit from the extra resolution and I won't be watching blu-rays a lot, games will be what I use it for most of the time. Also, this TV will only last for a year and a half, if all goes according to plan I'll be moving in summer 2011 and buying a new TV. That one will definitely be 1080p... Hopefully panny plasmas will be at kuro-level quality or better.

I remember lots of discussions on plasma vs. LCD, but the thing that annoys me most about 720p plasma, the 1024x768 resolution, wasn't really mentioned much (if at all) as a disadvantage. Reviews also don't make a big deal of it. Psychologically it sucks, not even full 720p, but I don't think it's worth it going for more than that considering I'll be able to buy it sooner and will only use it for 18 months.

The most important thing is to get a decent upgrade from the 2007 panny LCD I have now, and I'm pretty sure the plasma will decimate it. I think I'll settle for that now. The upgrade after this, with two years of advancement in plasma and a jump to 1080p, should be pretty good.

And to think I was going to buy a 32" 1080p LCD before thinking about a 42" plasma...


Now here's something cool from HD Guru, he tries to burn-in a plasma and fails. while googling I found a thread on another forum where somebody said he'd go plasma if he weren't a gamer because of burn-in, and it was from 2008. That HD Guru test more than settles the matter, this problem is ancient history.
 
People, I am getting a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma G10 for £908.



Should I get it from Dixons or Amazon? Both have it at same price.
 
Fafalada said:
Maybe he enjoys the kaleidoscope effect of viewing angles and ghosting. Plasma can't really compete with either of those.

:p


Dragona Akehi said:
The group you should feel sorry for are CRT people, like myself.

Having a giant CRT is a bit silly in this day and age ... but if we are talking about a smaller set (or monitor), I don't see the problem. Particularly for TV's, the smaller LCD's are generally quite shite.
 
Marty Chinn said:
My friend is going TV shopping today and unfortunately plasma isn't an option. The problem with the Panasonic G10 is it's too heavy for his rack mount and as a result he's going to have to go to LCD. So does anyone know that given that the Panasonic is out of the question, what's a good 46" LCD screen that is no more than $1200? We're going in a few hours so hopefully some suggestions here will help me stear him in the right direction of what to look at. I'm assuming it will be looking at Samsungs or Sonys.

Let me get this straight ... he's about to spend > $1000 on a TV, but is using the capabilities of his current rack mount as purchase criteria?

:lol

Why doesn't he:

* Buy the TV that has the best IQ/features he can afford

* Buy a rack to fit the TV if his current doesn't work (and sell the old one).




It's like saying well, I really want a 60", but my current TV stand is too small. WTF!?!?
 
So what does GAF think about 1080p and screen size? I'm assuming many here with 1080p sets flipped between 720p and 1080p to see the difference, how big is the difference to you? Screen size and distance are important too

I'm still set on 720p now regardless of whether 1080p is worth it for me or not, but it pisses me off that where I can buy the TV the price difference between the 720p and 1080 models is more than 50%, whereas on Amazon for example it's trivial. I'm not in the US though so I'm stuck with whatever options I have here. =\

I just hope the 720p is only different in resolution, the price difference is making me suspicious. Specs like dynamic contrast is the same but there aren't much details. Oh well, like I said it'll destroy what I have now so that's good of enough of an upgrade.
 
dark10x said:
You know, IR on LCD screens never made sense to me, but I've seen it in a few rare occasions.

For instance, a guy at work is using one of those large Apple Cinema displays (a 2006 model). That thing has a serious problem with image retention. Leave any window in place for more than a couple of minutes and you'll see a ghost image of that window on screen (on top of everything, not just over black) for a good 10 minutes or so. It always fades rather quickly, but it's very distracting. I don't really understand WHY this would even occur. I mean, it makes sense in the case of plasma, but it doesn't seem physically possible with an LCD. Yet, there it is!

same.. i was amazed when i heard of it... same for crt's by the way..
 
Chrono said:
So what does GAF think about 1080p and screen size? I'm assuming many here with 1080p sets flipped between 720p and 1080p to see the difference, how big is the difference to you? Screen size and distance are important too

I'm still set on 720p now regardless of whether 1080p is worth it for me or not, but it pisses me off that where I can buy the TV the price difference between the 720p and 1080 models is more than 50%, whereas on Amazon for example it's trivial. I'm not in the US though so I'm stuck with whatever options I have here. =\

I just hope the 720p is only different in resolution, the price difference is making me suspicious. Specs like dynamic contrast is the same but there aren't much details. Oh well, like I said it'll destroy what I have now so that's good of enough of an upgrade.

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Obviously, make some adjustments if your eyes are above or below average.




Always-honest said:
same.. i was amazed when i heard of it... same for crt's by the way..

You were amazed when you heard CRT's could get burn in?
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
I didn't think about it before, but since CRT are phosphor-based displays, burn-in is also a potential issue.

WTH is going on in this thread? :lol

Hold old are you guys?
 
Onix said:
WTH is going on in this thread? :lol

Hold old are you guys?

Never cared much about tv tech until I finally got my own HDtv after months of research. My previous experience was a 10 year old Sony Trinitron 36inch monster I had growing up (and a 19 year old JVC 27inch tv, which still works, but the colors are so bad and bleeding now), it finally went out on my parents and then they got a Samsung LCD 40inch back in 2007 and I only really got my dream tv with my Pioneer 9G Kuro Elite this year.
 
This thread has been a solid education.

After six years with my awesome 36" Sony HD CRT (still the best blacks I've seen on any TV among friends and family, regardless of size or format), it's time to move and grab a flat panel.

I've been thoroughly convinced to go Panasonic Plasma, probably a 46" model with boxing week pricing sometime soon. :)

Any opinions on all the various Panasonic Plasmas that are around? I see at least five different models available at places like Best Buy and Future Shop in the 42-46" range.
 
The Panasonic G10 seems to be the popular model based on everything I've read, and that's what I've had (and absolutely loved) for a few weeks now. $999 for a 46" 1080p Plasma = amazing.

The V10 series is a step in quality and price beyond the G10, but I honestly don't know what specifically has been improved.
 
dLMN8R said:
The V10 series is a step in quality and price beyond the G10, but I honestly don't know what specifically has been improved.

Usable 24p mode for those that are annoyed by telecine judder is probably the main difference. I believe the V-series may have finer calibration adjustments and/or more calibration features ... but I'd have to double check.
 
I'm also looking into getting a new Panasonic Plasma. We have 3 HDTVs in this house (52" 1080p Sharp LCD that's a few years old, 42" 720p Panasonic Plasma that's about 2 years old, and a 42" Samsung plasma that is getting close to 2 years old)

The Sharp is ok, picture is good on it and there isn't much input lag. It is the main gaming TV. Doesn't have as good a viewing angle as the plasmas.

The Panasonic is amazing, really. I swear watching blu-rays on it look just as good if not better than the 1080p LCD. We've had no problems with burn-in or anything on it and really the only downside is it's kinda ugly. It's silver and it really just sticks out.

The Samsung pisses me off. The picture was great for a while, just as nice as the panny, but soon the side of the screen developed this red tint to it that's a little different from normal burn-in. The set also suffers from regular burn-in (TV station logos, videogame menus, bars). It's been frustrating to deal with, so this is the one we're replacing.

Since the LCD is the oldest I was kind of interested in getting another one to see how they've improved, and I've been looking at a few Samsung 120hz 1080p models. But now I think I'll get another panasonic plasma, but 1080p this time. But even though our current panasonic has been great, the problems with the samsung plasma still bother me. I really don't want to end up with more burn-in issues.

I guess it comes down to what kind of deal I can find. Looking for around a 42" model.
 
Panasonic Plasma owners how are your black levels after a a few months of use? I understand some people consider avs forum users ultra nick pickers but when you have a thread of hundred different posters complaining the black levels degrade to the point its worse the some lcds, some even professional calibrators, that is concerning.
 
madara said:
Panasonic Plasma owners how are your black levels after a a few months of use? I understand some people consider avs forum users ultra nick pickers but when you have a thread of hundred different posters complaining the black levels degrade to the point its worse the some lcds, some even professional calibrators, that is concerning.

I haven't been following the AVS thread since the issue was first brought to light (lol) ... has there been any sort of resolution, or even an acknowledgment by Pana?
 
Onix said:
I haven't been following the AVS thread since the issue was first brought to light (lol) ... has there been any sort of resolution, or even an acknowledgment by Pana?

Shit, Onix, I forgot to come back into this thread and tell you my price range. Hope its not too late!

Price Range: $1200-1500
 
JayDub said:
Shit, Onix, I forgot to come back into this thread and tell you my price range. Hope its not too late!

Price Range: $1200-1500


Yeah, I can take a looksie of the next few days.

What is going to be your primary usage for the TV, and what is your room set up (lighting, etc)?
 
Onix said:
Yeah, I can take a looksie of the next few days.

What is going to be your primary usage for the TV, and what is your room set up (lighting, etc)?

Lighting is moderate. The light is on one side of the room and the TV is on the other, darker side. Small room.

Mainly HD content but I need it to handle SD content well, specifically, the Wii.
 
Onix said:
Usable 24p mode for those that are annoyed by telecine judder is probably the main difference. I believe the V-series may have finer calibration adjustments and/or more calibration features ... but I'd have to double check.
So is there any real reason why the G10 doesn't support this, despite the fact that it advertises a "600Hz" refresh rate? Just a software switch turned off so they can charge more for the V10?
 
JayDub said:
Lighting is moderate. The light is on one side of the room and the TV is on the other, darker side. Small room.

Mainly HD content but I need it to handle SD content well, specifically, the Wii.

Just to clarify, is the lighting that's opposite the TV something that would directly reflect off of the screen (pretend the TV is a mirror ... would you see the lights on it?).

Also, is it more for gaming, or more for movies?
 
dLMN8R said:
So is there any real reason why the G10 doesn't support this, despite the fact that it advertises a "600Hz" refresh rate? Just a software switch turned off so they can charge more for the V10?

The 600Hz subfield motion thing is really not related to the display rate of content directly. They're using it as PR talk against LCD's advertising 120Hz and 240Hz ... even if it's apples/oranges.




Now as the the TV itself, the G10 can actually display a multiple of 24Hz ... but it's at 48Hz. Unfortunately that's below the flicker threshold for pretty much everyone, so it's better to set your BD/DVD's to output 60Hz. So basically, some combination of the G10's panel and its video processor supports 48Hz refreshes and 60Hz refreshes.

In the case of the V10, it supports 60Hz and 96Hz (the latter for use with 24fps content). Again, I have no idea if its an issue with the panel, the video processor, or both. Could it be something they purposely turned off in SW? Maybe, but I doubt it.
 
Onix said:
Just to clarify, is the lighting that's opposite the TV something that would directly reflect off of the screen (pretend the TV is a mirror ... would you see the lights on it?).

Also, is it more for gaming, or more for movies?


No, the light doesnt reflect from the screen, its more to the right. And its mainly for gaming. There will be moderate movie watching though.
 
Any suggestions for a good monitor between $100-$200?

Planning on connecting a Mac Mini and xbox 360. Kinda bummed I couldnt find a good one today since there where quite a bit of sales.
 
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