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LeBron James' NBA Finals record: 2-4

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Man, I've hated Lebron for too many years, held him to ridiculously high standards. But even I can say, this series doesnt diminish him, it only builds his legacy. Finals record be damned, He shouldn't have even been in the 07 Finals.

Plus fucking Olynyk took a potential title away from Lebron with his armbar. Just bad luck for the Cavs this year. Irving on the other hand is always injured and isnt about luck too much, just fragility.
 
wait did you just say that lebron wasn't on a scrub team when the second best player on that team was a knick?

cmon brah, the cavs had no shot in these finals and Lebron willed that team to 2 more wins than i thought they would get. This finals aint on him and i don't know who would have won 4 games with the team he had.

The only finals I would lay on Bron's feet as a failure on his part was when he lost to the Mavs. Every other finals loss there are legitimate reasons he didn't pull it off, like wade being broken last year and that cavs team he took before was made of pure scrubs.
 
Lebrons talking about switching in that quote, not doubling. The warriors are really good at switching the moment a player is screened off and they have enough 6'7 guys to do it. Even curry played lebron really well on his switches.
1) I already said its not "doubling"

2) He isn't talking about switching, he's talking about help defense. Which usually amounts to another guy sliding over to help contend shots in addition to the primary defender. Not a switch.
 
Number of rings means nothing. Michael Jordan got eliminated in the first round anytime he tried dragging around trash rosters like LeBron has done in Cleveland.

I hate LeBron, but just this year, and only because he broke up a good thing. However, I've always maintained that he's the best player I've ever seen.

People talking about rings are buying into that illogical, jackass sports logic of attributing personal greatness to a team accomplishment. That's patently stupid and I ignore anyone that bandies that around as some kind of justification. No one win a title 1on5.

When I watch LeBron, I see a man who combines the best of Magic and Michael. He makes the right play 90% of the time. He understands the game on such an amazing level. He has such great court vision, and does such a great job of shaping and manipulating opposing defenses that people often ignore. He's facing longer and faster defenders than Jordan ever faced, in more complicated defenses than Jordan ever faced. Yet we want to pretend like LeBron is somehow doing less.

Just take the things LeBron does on the court each game into full consideration, and you'll understand why Jordan got knocked out in the first round when he didn't have an all-star roster, while LeBron often overachieved with inferior talent flanking him.

If you're going to hate him irrationally, at least be man enough to own it. My LeBron hate this season has been completely irrational. I'm honest about that. But if I'm going to legit critique the man, I'm going to note that he faces a much taller order than players in the past, and still manages to perform phenomenally. The man is an amazing basketball machine, and even a hater like myself can appreciate that. PEACE.

Lebron had inferior talent? And the narrative continues to try to justify Lebron's greatness. And no, just no. I don't see much of Jordan in Lebron. Jordan was a killer down the stretch and would not have been scoreless in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

Also, the East during Jordan's time with those teams was a lot stronger than the East of today. Put Jordan on those Lebron teams in today's East and that team would be an insta-Finals team as well.
 
wait did you just say that lebron wasn't on a scrub team when the second best player on that team was a knick?

cmon brah, the cavs had no shot in these finals and Lebron willed that team to 2 more wins than i thought they would get. This finals aint on him and i don't know who would have won 4 games with the team he had.

The only finals I would lay on Bron's feet as a failure on his part was when he lost to the Mavs. Every other finals loss there are legitimate reasons he didn't pull it off, like wade being broken last year and that cavs team he took before was made of pure scrubs.

I'm pretty sure you meant to type "Spurs playing God-level basketball" there. Not that Wade wasn't broken (because he was). But that's not why he lost that series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...s-2014-finals-performance-changed-nba-forever

San Antonio dominated Miami in just about every conceivable category in those final three games: overall shooting percentage (54.2 percent to 45.2 percent), 3-point shooting percentage (44.8 percent to 38.2 percent), field goal percentage in the paint (65.6 percent to 53 percent). The Spurs dished the ball out for 71 assists to Miami's 44. They outrebounded the Heat 113-94. They even shot more free throws (80-71).

According to Basketball-Reference, the Spurs' offensive rating for Games 3-5 of the Finals (124.9) is the best on record for the past 29 seasons. The 1999-2000 Pacers (120.2) and the 1986-87 Celtics (120.2), each of whom lost the title in the years referenced, were tied for second.

But perhaps the most impressive stat is the bluntest of all: Over the previous three seasons, a span of 293 regular-season and playoff games, the Heat had not once lost three straight games in regulation with LeBron in the lineup. The Spurs not only won the last three games of the 2014 Finals but beat the Heat by an average of more than 19 points a game.

Simply incredible.
 
I'm pretty sure you meant to type "Spurs playing God-level basketball" there. Not that Wade wasn't broken (because he was). But that's not why he lost that series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...s-2014-finals-performance-changed-nba-forever



Simply incredible.

well yeah, I didn't mean to sound like i was diminishing what the spurs did. I was just saying that you couldn't put last season's finals on lebron because the second best player on the team was broken going into those finals.
 
Lebron didn't have all bad scrubs around him though just his two big scorers got injured. Love and Kyrie goes down. All he had really for offense after that was mozgov and fuckball jr smith. Yet he still managed to pull off 2 wins. Seriously thought dubs would sweep once Kyrie went down. Cavs had nothing planned on the rare occasions Lebron sat to rest.
 
wait did you just say that lebron wasn't on a scrub team when the second best player on that team was a knick?

cmon brah, the cavs had no shot in these finals and Lebron willed that team to 2 more wins than i thought they would get. This finals aint on him and i don't know who would have won 4 games with the team he had.

The only finals I would lay on Bron's feet as a failure on his part was when he lost to the Mavs. Every other finals loss there are legitimate reasons he didn't pull it off, like wade being broken last year and that cavs team he took before was made of pure scrubs.

Are you talking to me? No, Cleveland in 2015 wasn't a scrub team. I'm not blaming the loss on LeBron though just refuting points. LeBron played great, and is a great player. Cleveland just got outplayed.

Lebron had inferior talent? And the narrative continues to try to justify Lebron's greatness. And no, just no. I don't see much of Jordan in Lebron. Jordan was a killer down the stretch and would not have been scoreless in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

Also, the East during Jordan's time with those teams was a lot stronger than the East of today. Put Jordan on those Lebron teams in today's East and that team would be an insta-Finals team as well.

Yeah, people like to forget that the East was the powerhouse then and it was the West that was weak. Also, I get tired of the "LeBron" plays with scubs argument. He hasn't played with scubs in years. I think there would be a lot less hate if people stopped making that argument. They should just accept that his teams got outplayed.
 
Lebron won those and your team spent an entire season bitching about the fact that he left. Entire fanbase threw shade at Lebron during this run making fun of him at the same time wishing he led their team to the finals. This season is a permanent mark on the Heat and fanbase moving forward. He left your team and you guys need to get over it. Please worship the Cavs some more.

Cavs 2015 NBA finals wins = 2
Heat 2015 = enjoying 2 bottles of win on a couch watching the NBA finals.

Heat fans make jokes, Clevalanders burn jerseys and yell obscenities. The Heat fans even gave LeBron some applause the first time he came back to play against them.
 
Are you talking to me? No, Cleveland in 2015 wasn't a scrub team. I'm not blaming the loss on LeBron though just refuting points. LeBron played great, and is a great player. Cleveland just got outplayed.

Which player on the Cavs starting lineup for these finals would you consider an all star player outside of Lebron?

Let me grab a pen and paper, i have a feeling you're going to name a bunch of names right now
 
Lebron didn't have all bad scrubs around him though just his two big scorers got injured. Love and Kyrie goes down. All he had really for offense after that was mozgov and fuckball jr smith. Yet he still managed to pull off 2 wins. Seriously thought dubs would sweep once Kyrie went down. Cavs had nothing planned on the rare occasions Lebron sat to rest.

Lebron has only himself to blame. He decided to bring his Miami buddies and we all knew they were washed up.

Mike miller, James jones and Marion have no business being in the floor. Best player in the world maybe but his GM skills suck.

Also he decided to go to Cleveland, who did not even make playoffs the year before. This is exactly what he wanted a no pressure situation. If he wins he's golden if he looses he's dragged a bunch of losers to the finals.
 
I honestly cant believe this is a thing.

He carried a completely sorry squad to the finals. If his team lost to the Hawks or whatever somehow that would make people happier than the Cavs putting up a somewhat competitive series against a clearly superior team?
 
Heat fans make jokes, Clevalanders burn jerseys and yell obscenities. The Heat fans even gave LeBron some applause the first time he came back to play against them.

I would be a lot more chill in Miami than I would in Cleveland too.

Us in the Northeast with our frigid weather and Rust Belt decay put a lot more stock into sports than the south and west bros.
 
Which player on the Cavs starting lineup for these finals would you consider an all star player outside of Lebron?

Let me grab a pen and paper, i have a feeling you're going to name a bunch of names right now

Not having a line-up of all-stars doesn't make you a scrub team. They were a weakened team against Chicago too and they still crushed.
 
Lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals, can't blame him for this L

They weren't bums when cavs had a 2-1 lead in the series. Dellavedova was the second coming of Jesus and JR smith was greatest streak shooter ever. Mozgov was Mozgod and Tristan Thompson was new Dennis Rodman. Just read through the nba finals thread. Amazing how fast everything changes. Someone should put up that jeopardy picture. It fits perfectly for the people who keep bringing up excuses for Lebron.
 
They weren't bums when cavs had a 2-1 lead in the series. Dellavedova was the second coming of Jesus and JR smith was greatest streak shooter ever. Mozgov was Mozgod and Tristan Thompson was new Dennis Rodman. Just read through the nba finals thread. Amazing how fast everything changes. Someone should put up that jeopardy picture. It fits perfectly for the people who keep bringing up excuses for Lebron.

You should look up the word "conflate" and then not do it.
 
Which player on the Cavs starting lineup for these finals would you consider an all star player outside of Lebron?

Let me grab a pen and paper, i have a feeling you're going to name a bunch of names right now

The Warriors only have one other All Star after Curry and that's Thompson, he never showed up for the series and they still won.
They weren't bums when cavs had a 2-1 lead in the series. Dellavedova was the second coming of Jesus and JR smith was greatest streak shooter ever. Mozgov was Mozgod and Tristan Thompson was new Dennis Rodman. Just read through the nba finals thread. Amazing how fast everything changes. Someone should put up that jeopardy picture. It fits perfectly for the people who keep bringing up excuses for Lebron.
And to add that the Warriors were too shook to ever come back.
 
Even getting there six times is an accomplishment. The two losses with the Cavs are very excusable given who he had around him. The two with the Heat are on him I guess. He could have/should have won those.

The guy has led five teams in a row to the Finals. He's pretty good.
 
Even getting there six times is an accomplishment. The two losses with the Cavs are very excusable given who he had around him. The two with the Heat are on him I guess. He could have/should have won those.

The guy has led five teams in a row to the Finals. He's pretty good.

When a player as great as he is teams up with All Stars, it's not too surprising that he can get his team to the Finals, especially in the weak East.
 
I still think you can compare him to MJ. Dude carries people to the finals, and 5 in a row? He had help on the Heat, but not on the Cavs.
 
I still think you can compare him to MJ. Dude carries people to the finals, and 5 in a row? He had help on the Heat, but not on the Cavs.

Kyrie Irving wasn't help? Kevin Love, who he traded Wiggins for, wasn't help? The Cavs team was built around him to compete for the title.
 
Lebron has lost the finals when he's had weak squads and All-star squads, lets stop the "Lebron has no help" bs.

The guy is an all time great player but he has holes in his game offensively and mentally that will always keep him from the Jordan/Bird tier imo. Lebron just isn't the scorer that people think he is. This team needs him to score 50+ not 35 and no 40, that's just how it is.

Yes Jordan got beat early in his career, but you know they guy would score 40, 50 or 63 points with high percentage.
 
You wonder what narrative will win out in the end.

Are people going to ignore going forward that the Warriors second best player was absent the whole series, and the Warriors still won because they did a better job cultivating a bench, and an unlikely player in Iggy who isn't even a starter is the one who sealed a competitive series? Or will the picture of Lebron vs the Monstars where every starter was a beast will win out?
 
Thats easy to do in the Eastern conference. Relatively speaking. In the Western conference he would have been beat up and bruised in the 1st round.

In the West, he would have had several all-stars at his disposal or been on a strong team.

Imagine him with the Splash brothers, or him with Durant and Westbrook.

Smh.
 
Lebron has lost the finals when he's had weak squads and All-star squads, lets stop the "Lebron has no help" bs.

The guy is an all time great player but he has holes in his game offensively and mentally that will always keep him from the Jordan/Bird tier imo. Lebron just isn't the scorer that people think he is. This team needs him to score 50+ not 35 and no 40, that's just how it is.

Yes Jordan got beat early in his career, but you know they guy would score 40, 50 or 63 points with high percentage.
This isn't just about you but this has to be the stupidest shit Lebron detractors keep speaking. Is it beyond your mental capacity to realistically look at each series individually or is it only possible to combine everything into some DBZ style narrative?

Who the fuck did he have this time around that supposedly invalidates the he has no help claim? Because "but but you always say that" isn't a valid line of reasoning, in case you weren't aware...
 
In the West, he would have had several all-stars at his disposal or been on a strong team.

Imagine him with the Splash brothers, or him with Durant and Westbrook.

Smh.

He had that in Miami, and chose to leave. Then he engineered a bunch of trades that left the team relying on JR Smith to get hot in order to win the championship.

If this NBA Final puts anything into question, it's probably James' decision making ability.
 
In 12 NBA seasons he went to 6 finals. That's actually amazing.

Also, if Irving, Love and Varejao were healthy, this series could have turned out very differently.
 
In 12 NBA seasons he went to 6 finals. That's actually amazing.

Also, if Irving, Love and Varejao were healthy, this series could have turned out very differently.

His career is right now as long as Magic's was. It's crazy to think about that. And Magic went to 9 Finals in 12 years which is fucking crazy too.
 
It's amazing what he's done playing out of position basically his entire career. His weakness as a 3 point shooter/shot creator showed up again last night. If he can't just bully his man into the paint, all he's got are low % fadeway jump shots. He needs to play alongside another competent point guard so he can play off the ball more. He's not Magic Johnson because Magic could get a good shot for himself anytime he wanted to, against any defender. Lebron just doesn't have that.
 
This isn't just about you but this has to be the stupidest shit Lebron detractors keep speaking. Is it beyond your mental capacity to realistically look at each series individually or is it only possible to combine everything into some DBZ style narrative?

Who the fuck did he have this time around that supposedly invalidates the he has no help claim? Because "but but you always say that" isn't a valid line of reasoning, in case you weren't aware...

The "scrubs" everyone keeps saying Lebron carried to the finals actually helped immensely him to the finals. Go back and watch the Bulls series, who killed the Bulls? Shumpert, Tristan Thompson, Deli, and JR Smith. Am I saying they are great players no. This finals they needed his scoring more than his rebounding, and even his passing.

JR has a lot of faults be actually thought he had a chance to win in the fourth quarter last night when Lebron clearly was done for the night. I've seen Lebron just quit way to many times to give him a pass just because his teams were undermanned.
 
It's amazing what he's done playing out of position basically his entire career. His weakness as a 3 point shooter/shot creator showed up again last night. If he can't just bully his man into the paint, all he's got are low % fadeway jump shots. He needs to play alongside another competent point guard so he can play off the ball more. He's not Magic Johnson because Magic could get a good shot for himself anytime he wanted to, against any defender. Lebron just doesn't have that.
Lebrons shooting numbers jumped off a cliff for some reason but he shot the ball very well in MIA. Specifically his last two years. If he would've worked on his FTs like ever he could've had a 50/40/90 season that one year which is god like for shooting.

Also Magic is far more limited than lebron in scoring. There's a reason he received a standing ovation for hitting a three in that AllStar game. And it wasn't the HIV.
 
Lebrons shooting numbers jumped off a cliff for some reason but he shot the ball very well in MIA. Specifically his last two years. If he would've worked on his FTs like ever he could've had a 50/40/90 season that one year which is god like for shooting.

Also Magic is far more limited than lebron in scoring. There's a reason he received a standing ovation for hitting a three in that AllStar game. And it wasn't the HIV.

It was a different system in MIA. He wasn't quite as ball dominant, and they had him on the block a bit more, maximizing his shot opportunities. Supposedly some of the rift between him and Pat Riley is that he didn't like this system and wanted to play something closer to what he had in Cleveland, where he dominates the ball and plays more iso.
 
I'm sure they provided great moral support from the end of the bench? You know they were both injured, right?

I know one was injured in the first round and the other was injured in the first game of the Finals.

I hardly call that Lebron carrying his teams to the Finals when he had both for the entire season and one for the first three rounds. Plus, with some timely injuries that were unfortunate, and perhaps deliberate, to other teams and that's how Lebron was able to "carry" the Cavs to the finals. Yeah, let's not pretend that Lebron had to struggle to get his team there.
 
It was a different system in MIA. He wasn't quite as ball dominant, and they had him on the block a bit more, maximizing his shot opportunities. Supposedly some of the rift between him and Pat Riley is that he didn't like this system and wanted to play something closer to what he had in Cleveland, where he dominates the ball and plays more iso.

Ninja Scooter, I know for a fact that was the case.
 
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