JinjoUnchained
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You all here are forgetting about the 2011 and 2015 Bulls. Strong title contenders that were thrashed by LeBron.
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LeBron James' NBA Finals record: 2-4
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You all here are forgetting about the 2011 and 2015 Bulls. Strong title contenders that were thrashed by LeBron.
ryutaro's mama
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Lebrons athleticism has already declined a large amount. He looked like he could barely even run the floor in the Finals.
As he continues to decline his game while probably look more and more like it did in the Finals with him living in the paint.
BadAss2961
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All jokes aside, Boris Diaw nearly won finals MVP playing LeBron.
Boris Diaw!
Boris Diaw!
ryutaro's mama
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I still can't believe he felt himself so much that he called himself "the greatest player on the planet" and went out and got outplayed by Draymond Green in a close out game in his barn. DeShawn Stevenson outplayed him in Game 6, 2011 as well.
It's almost as bad as getting CHOSEN1 tattooed on your back before you have played a single NBA game.
2-4 is fitting for such narcissistic fuckery, IMO.
It's almost as bad as getting CHOSEN1 tattooed on your back before you have played a single NBA game.
2-4 is fitting for such narcissistic fuckery, IMO.
ryutaro's mama
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I missed this. Yeah, LeBron's main Finals defenders in the last two Ls both went on to win FMVPs.
Look at LeBron making guys better!
#bestplayerontheplanet
You have a very strange definition of "out played".
Professor Beef
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Bill Murray didn't need it. That's why he's Top 3.
RedAssedApe
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reggieandTFE
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Pippen's career PER was 18.6 and he only had 4 seasons over 22.
Dwyane Wade's career PER is 25.
Pippen was a fantastic complement to Jordan and a tremendous teammate, but the same Jordan detractors that dismiss him outperforming Lebron also elevate Pippen to a level not supported by stats or his play on teams that didn't have Jordan.
eBay Huckster
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why do people still take Windhorst seriously regarding Blatt
like it's kind of vindicated in this case on account of everything else Stein wrote, but jesus fucking christ
GoutPatrol
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You could blame alot on him being forced to play 46-48 minutes each game. He couldn't ever rest.
Seriously this. I wish Melo were like LeBron.
elrechazado
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So it's true but you don't want us to take it seriously?
Jag
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I hate Windhorst with a passion. He is TMZ and Lebron is his only target.
The problem with Windhorst is he's seen as a Lebron insider, but his inside information has been wrong as much as it's been right. He has no inside access and is just a sensationalist writer.
This is why whenever he tries to scoop something Lebron related, you need another source to verify it.
ryutaro's mama
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In those Game 6s, LeBron was outplayed, especially that 2011 Game 6.
I'm not talking about the entire series, obviously.
Khalifa Jayy
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When MJ retired, Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins, won the ASG MVP, and even more, he got them to the ECSF. He was also the leading vote-getter for the All-NBA First Team and NBA All-Defensive First Team.
Let's not act like Pippen was trash, please. He molded and tailored his game to complement MJ best, and if that meant sacrificing his own game, he was clearly up for it. When given the opportunity, though, he showed he was a superstar in his own right.
Go back and look at the minutes for Curry under Jackson. Jackson had Curry with his questionable injury history playing top 10 minutes in the league. In 2012-13 he played 40 seconds less per game then Luol Deng.
Then throw in the antics of a Jackson regime(backstabbing, creating divisions within the organzaition, pettiness, poor offensive construction) and the Cavs are setting themselves up to be a punchline going forward as they continue to fail to get that chip.
he IS the best player on the planet though. No problems at all in what he said. I guess in your mind it should be a cakewalk to beat a 67 win team 4 times out of 7 with nothing but scrubs at your side.
Were they, though? Were they really?
Um, have you not noticed how terrible Wade-lead teams have been since he won a title?
'07 - Swept in 1st Round
'08 - Missed Playoffs
'09 - Lost in First Round
'10 - Lost in First Round
'11-14 - LeBron Saves His Career
'15 - Missed Playoffs
When Jordan left the Bulls, Pippen carried them deep into the playoffs. Wade? He hasn't gotten out of the first round. The guy broke down immediately after winning his first title. If not for LeBron, he would be a forgotten nobody by now.
Not sure if this has been posted, but it's crazy how accurate the writer hits the nail on the head with all the haters in this thread:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...verage/lebron-james-decapitates-haters-061015
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...verage/lebron-james-decapitates-haters-061015
That article is fucking awful haha. Ad hominem attacks and straw men are not actually credible arguments. I actually get annoyed at some of the hate Lebron gets but then there is the other side where you have people like that author that just look fucking stupid.
sooperkool
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Only people that weren't around to see him play.
captmcblack
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Why can't Lebron both be the greatest current player on Earth, and also not be currently greater than Jordan - the consensus greatest of all-time by every metric?
Why does giving him kudos for how amazing this Finals performance was have to include forgiving his failures relative to Jordan? Why can't he both be amazing, and also less amazing than the greatest?
Honestly, LBJ couldn't have done more to win if he wanted to. Nobody could make a 7/8 man rotation beat an incredibly deep and completely healthy Warriors team...and he actually almost did.
Why does giving him kudos for how amazing this Finals performance was have to include forgiving his failures relative to Jordan? Why can't he both be amazing, and also less amazing than the greatest?
Honestly, LBJ couldn't have done more to win if he wanted to. Nobody could make a 7/8 man rotation beat an incredibly deep and completely healthy Warriors team...and he actually almost did.
I prefer his 1991 finals performance. He was averaging like 30ppg, but on 56% shooting. I want to say he averaged over 10 assists a game in that finals, too.
Uno Venova
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I wouldn't say almost won, the Warriors greatly outplayed the Cavs after those first couple close games.
Pretty much, Iggy saved the Warriors. Before that change, the Warriors did not at all look like the better team, which is just fucking pathetic. If the Warriors were missing their next 2 best players, the Cavs would have beaten them, and most likely very easily.
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First off, you can't count wade's post 06 seasons and not count his rookie year up to 06.
In 05. had he not been injured in the ECF the Heat would've made it to the finals that year.
In 04, dude went to the playoffs with a bunch of ragtags when no one expected that from him.
Hell, when wade entered the league there wasn't anything close to the expectations for him that his bro Lebron had.
07 was the result of Shaq starting his regression. The team fell apart after that and whether it was due to injuries or because riley couldn't get it done in either the draft or the offseason Wade didn't go deep. Mind you, it's not like he was the only one with these issues when he was solo: Kobe was also competing for scoring titles while his teams were hot garbage until the Lakers landed Pau and a few more friends.
It really goes to show how impressive Lebron was: even when the guy was surrounded by garbage in his first run with Cleveland he still would go deep into the playoffs.
In 05. had he not been injured in the ECF the Heat would've made it to the finals that year.
In 04, dude went to the playoffs with a bunch of ragtags when no one expected that from him.
Hell, when wade entered the league there wasn't anything close to the expectations for him that his bro Lebron had.
07 was the result of Shaq starting his regression. The team fell apart after that and whether it was due to injuries or because riley couldn't get it done in either the draft or the offseason Wade didn't go deep. Mind you, it's not like he was the only one with these issues when he was solo: Kobe was also competing for scoring titles while his teams were hot garbage until the Lakers landed Pau and a few more friends.
It really goes to show how impressive Lebron was: even when the guy was surrounded by garbage in his first run with Cleveland he still would go deep into the playoffs.
Yeah, series wasn't really all that close. Cavs took two close ones with Steph playing like shit. Once the Warriors got settled it was over.
Nah.
And Iggy starting was great, but it wasn't really all that different. His minutes in the series:
32
36
36
39
42
36
The 32 in game 1 was low, but after that his playing time was pretty consistent, regardless of starting. Also discounts everyone else, like Draymond's triple double to close the series, or Curry's 37 and 7 in game 5.
Do people just ignore Chris Bosh when they discuss Lebron's Miami teams? The guy who was arguably the best defensive big in the league most of those years and a great fit for Lebron's style of game? Relative to Jordans teams, his Miami teams were just as stacked and much more lopsided then the competition they went up against.
Or the context of how easy Lebrons run to the finals has been? No one is going to mistake Indiana or beat up Chicago teams(that Cavs fans LOVE to point out that Thibs is a coach that runs his teams into the ground, thus hurting their own argument that the Bulls teams were tough matches) as all time greats. Heck had either of those teams been in the West they would of likely been relatively lower seeds.
In Cleveland Lebron couldn't beat any of the good teams like Boston or Orlando, the same criticism that Cleveland fans love to lob at Jordan for failing to beat historically great Detroit teams early in his career.
Again, Lebron is an all time great but IMO he isn't MJ good(heck there are good arguments MJ isn't the GOAT either) but he is in the conversation. His legacy isn't finished yet so lets just wait and see where he ends up.
Or the context of how easy Lebrons run to the finals has been? No one is going to mistake Indiana or beat up Chicago teams(that Cavs fans LOVE to point out that Thibs is a coach that runs his teams into the ground, thus hurting their own argument that the Bulls teams were tough matches) as all time greats. Heck had either of those teams been in the West they would of likely been relatively lower seeds.
In Cleveland Lebron couldn't beat any of the good teams like Boston or Orlando, the same criticism that Cleveland fans love to lob at Jordan for failing to beat historically great Detroit teams early in his career.
Again, Lebron is an all time great but IMO he isn't MJ good(heck there are good arguments MJ isn't the GOAT either) but he is in the conversation. His legacy isn't finished yet so lets just wait and see where he ends up.
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Assuming the Cavs intend to re-sign both, what does that do to their cap situation?
cubicle47b
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They're going to go way over the cap. They might pay around $200 million in player salaries and luxury tax next year.
ryutaro's mama
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Lol. He sat there and said (before game 6), "I'm not worried--I'm the best player in the world" (paraphrase). Then he went on to lose on his floor in a close out game 6.
If you are gonna tough talk, back it up.
Jordan has never (to my recollection) said he was the "greatest player on the planet"...because he didn't have to.
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if Love opts out then he's gone. There's no good reason for him to pass up the guaranteed money on his player option next season other than that he wants to play elsewhere.
ryutaro's mama
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We don't want him LA.
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you guys dont play defense as it is, he'll fit right in
If he leaves the Wiggins trade will shoot toward the top of the list of all time worst trades....I mean I thought it was bad to begin with but now it just looks awful if Love leaves.
Epsilon-delta
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All kinds of wrong in this post.
Jordan is the GOAT because he's been tested and past with flying colors. When the Bulls won the chip in 1993, they weren't even the best team in the East, let alone in the NBA.
The Bulls were down 0-2 to the Knicks in the Conference finals and Jordan came back and dropped 54 on them in game 4, and the Bulls went on to win 4 straight to go to the Finals.
Then MJ and the Bulls beat the best team (Phoenix Suns - Majerle, Ainge, KJ, and MVP Barkley) in the Finals and celebrated on their court.
It seems like all the young guys assume MJ had an easy and open path to his Finals runs which wasn't the case.
ryutaro's mama
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Agreed, not yet we don't.
We have had nothing but stowaways on the roster for the last 3 years.
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While Lebron sold the public a wonderful story of things taking time and that he was excited to work with that young core of players, that these things will take time and for no one to expect a ring any time soon, he then went on to trade away Wiggins, Waiters, and Bennett for the very shortsided deal of possibly renting Love for one season to try and get a ring ASAP.
What lead the cavs to lose James the first time was the organization's shortsighted efforts made to pacify James. Seems ironic that that same behavior is here again.
There is just a need to downplay MJ's road to success because they know how flimsy the argument of Lebrons path is. When Lebron fans should be arguing that what makes Lebrons runs special(in Cleveland) is that he took teams with average(Blatt) and below average coaches that absent him would be lottery bound and turned them into contenders. Whereas Jordan took solid to very good teams with a good coach(though people often debate Jacksons prowess as a coach given his talent he has had)and turned them into all time great teams and once he hit his prime rarely if ever faltered.
ryutaro's mama
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Both players in the original fuckery (James and Gilbert) are still there.
They deserve each other.
Pretty much the latter. He has basically Signaled that he is done worrying about a franchises cap space for others and wants power through opt out clauses. He is going to continue signing contracts with player options that allow him to opt out and thus get mor money/hold larger sway over organizational decision-making.
ryutaro's mama
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There's your unselfish, team first guy.
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If only Lebron could've played on one of those teams for almost half a decade to see if that system agrees with him.
if only.
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